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 Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 15:49 Post subject: [OTHER] SoNy in deep shit ?? [PS3] |
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 18:10 Post subject: |
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Shipping dev-kits does not mean anything... Especially not with sony... If you didn't knew they never released any update to the PS2 devkit, never listened to what the devs wanted added in the dev-kits or anything.
Thats why it took so long to get to todays graphics on the PS2.
Microsoft on the other hand first released the original  K, then a few updates. Every update contained fixes/changes/additions that the devs had requested. They listened to the devs and went on from that.
X360 dev-kits has been designed in cooperation with a few developers.
I am sure the PS3 will look good as hell too given the right amount of time. Only that I suspect that it will take some time before it does if Sony do not update their dev-kits this time around.
So my guess is that X360 will look better faster but after a while the PS3 will get there too.
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master!
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 18:27 Post subject: |
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Of course it means something, it means that it very much exists and that it has support.
You have to remember, when that article was written, only a limited number of developers had gotten a kit, but that's not the case anymore.
And that's one of the things he was talking about, the existent of the console and where it is.
However, when it comes to graphics, I think only the best studios, the ones dedicated to the ps, will be able to produce the best visuals on the ps3, just like on the ps2. But that wasn't a problem on the ps2, so I dont see why it would be a problem on the ps3? It's not like the other games will look bad. 
It's the same on any console. Most games are average, and then we have these dedicated games that own the rest in visuals.
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 18:49 Post subject: |
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Still I am just making a point about sony and their relations to devs... Even they ship dev-kits and a lot of them they will not be as good as they could have been with the support of sony (real support like updates and yadda yadda).
I can also agree that newer PS2 games really do look good but think about the time it has taken to reach todays level of PS2 graphics. To fucking long IMHO.
Like Metal Gear Solid... MGS3 looks much better than MGS2 because they finally found out how to code better and give better performance with better graphics.
Look at renderware (used in Burnout and other games) it is a very good engine for the PS2 but it has taken a long time to get where it is today. It would've gone faster if sony had given the devs the support they should've had.
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master!
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 20:26 Post subject: |
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mmmmmmmm
nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/
name says everything really, another fansite slagging off a rival console. Lets just wait and see when we actually have a final working machine running real games.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 22:27 Post subject: |
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I didn't think MGS3 looked that much better then MGS2 personally. Obviously the environments are completely different, but that doesn't necessarily make the graphics 'better'.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 23:18 Post subject: |
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i say that article is bullshit. How can they say the gfx arent 'next-gen' after that whole MGS4 video was shown in real-time. Thats like the only PS3 game I've seen running truly in real-time not like all those bullshit CGI movies that they lied and said were in-game (Killzone2). But still it looks sweet.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 23:28 Post subject: |
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Well they'll be more next-gen then the revolutions, thats for sure.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 00:48 Post subject: |
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Microsoft has a huge head start...they seem to work good with devs...xbox live is great....I am convinced I made the right choice.
All The info that I've been reading on the PS3 is scary true or not.
The comment of where the hell is the PS3...not really any game footage...we haven't seen the "Real" controller...I keep hearing from different sourses that it going to be difficult to develope on...I mean how long has it been since E3 and nothing new....wierd 
All this is enough to scare me away...I was planing on getting both xbox360 and Ps3...but not now...
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 01:20 Post subject: |
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| pallebrun wrote: | Geez, fanboys sure do find the most important things to whine about. 
If anything, it's a good sign. Maybe sony is redesigning the controller.
But regardless of what, it cant get any worse so why the hell do some whine about it?
Either we get the shitty boomerang controller at launch, or a better controller.
And trust me, there will be a controller at launch. |
Ya I'm a whinner 
That being said aren't you concerned a little....I would be if I was a Ps3 fanboy like yourself  |
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 01:25 Post subject: |
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As long as the controller is functional and ergonomic I don't really care what it looks like.
But as for dismissing the PS3 already, well I think thats a bit unwarranted. We don't really have that much information on it, thats true, but sony are no fools. They won't bring out a piece of crap.
Lets wait and see, i'm getting a 360, but if the PS3 impresses me enough, i'll get that aswell.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 02:31 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 06:29 Post subject: |
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| pallebrun wrote: | Why would I be cybersurfer?
The dev studios I like are supporting the ps3, not 1 single developer that I like from the ps2 is missing on the ps3. I really dont care what all those small shit developers do, they can take all their action titles somewhere else as far as I'm concerned, I'm better off without them.
The console will get released, and it will have lots of support (the already huge amount of games announced for it proves that) and it will have a controller (believe it or not ). This is perfectly fine by me.
I would be concerned if some my favorite developers shifted platform since two consoles isn't an option (untill much later). But the chance of this happening is basicly non existent. |
Ya I guess it really comes down to the games you like to play...
If Sony pulls it off and the console is impressive...I'll take a look but right now Sony's console is a ghost. |
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 14:46 Post subject: |
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Bah, saw a 360 for £200 today, almost got it on impulse, but my mate restrained me. I'm waiting until march!
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 22:27 Post subject: |
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Some more news about xbox360 and PS3
Legendary Programmer Prefers the 360
Everyone should know about id Software programmer John Carmack since he's probably had more of an influence on modern gaming than alot of other people. For those of you who don't know, Mr. Carmack is responsible for programming the original Quake and Doom games and singlehandedly set the stage for first person shooters. Now he's speaking out on the differences between programming for the Xbox 360 and the PS3. According to Mr. Carmack, while the PS3 is the more powerful of the two, he prefers the 360 because it's easier to make use of the power available on Microsoft's next-gen console... but that doesn't mean he won't be creating games for the PS3 platform:
They are both powerful systems that are going to make excellent game platforms, but I have a bit of a preference for the 360’s symmetric CPU architecture and excellent development tools. The PS3 will have a bit more peak power, but it will be easier to exploit the available power on the 360. Our next major title is being focused towards simultaneous release on 360, PS3, and PC.
http://xbox360.qj.net/
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 01:31 Post subject: |
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cybersurfer your just american.. and feel sorry for ya..
but PS3 is going to rock... sony will make the long waiting worth... and the PS2 is owning XBOX and XBOX 360 together ATM so sony is just lauging there arse off at M$ 
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azzman
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 01:50 Post subject: |
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This fan boy stuff is so childish , i couldn't give a fuck what console I play , its the games that make the machine. Every platform has its own titles that make it strong. Look at what capcom did with the GC and res evil 4 , i never dreamed the cube could pull off GFX better than the other consoles. And this comparing PS3 to xbox 360 , jesus we havent even seen a real ps3 game in action yet. Im sure the PS3 will be awesome , but better than the 360? Who knows
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 02:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 19:31 Post subject: |
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pallebrun, that must be one of the most naive comments I have read for a long time. Do you honestly believe that Nintendo are in the business because of their love for the games? All companies try to make a good reputation and to make good press just to cover up the fact that they are all in it for the money. Look at Bill Gates, donating alot of money to noble causes, this is of course a way to make the public like him, and his company. The reason that Nintendo does this is because they try to fight the console wars with a different approach as they have realized that they can't beat the competition at their own game. If they would have stayed with Sony in the SNES era and kept the Playstation as a Nintendo product then they would be the ones that people nowadays would look at as evil, as they would probably be the ones dominating the market.
Personally I like Nintendo because their way of fighting the consolse wars produces quality games, but I'm not fooled into believing that it's Santa running the company. I'm not a paranoid man but a man with a little insight in general business, and I'm scared by the fact that people like you actually buy the saintification that some companies try to pull off.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 19:50 Post subject: |
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| belajjal wrote: | | pallebrun, that must be one of the most naive comments I have read for a long time. Do you honestly believe that Nintendo are in the business because of their love for the games? |
Of course I do. Their vision about consoles speaks for itself. They dont believe in the ultimate hardware, they believe in games.
And Nintendo themselfs are one of the best game developers in the world. So yeah, of course games are in their hearts.
How many games have Microsoft made (for their console)? Or sony? Sony have made a few awesome titles, but not even close to the number Nintendo have produced. If Nintendo didn't care about games, then they wouldn't make awesome titles after another.
Of course they care about money, I'm not an idiot to not understand that, they are a company afterall. But being the world dominator is not their ultimate goal, but it is Microsofts and Sonys.
I'm sorry sir, but it's you that see things wrong.
And as I explained, I didn't mean a saint as in have never done anything wrong. I was talking about their believes. Maybe saint was the wrong word, so I'm sorry for using the 'saint' word.
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Supino
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 20:58 Post subject: |
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...ehm.. your full of it pallebrun. you NEVER admit it when you're wrong. man you must have a big ego.
listen to yourself! it doesn't make sense. Do you really think Nintendos vision is "Not be the domineering game company, but just show love in what we do!". Thats just stupid and you know it!
of cours Nintendo would be the world dominator if they could! If Nintendo could press a button with the lable "Press me to become the world dominating game company" - they would press it whitout blinking.
Reality is that Sony and Microsoft has a lot more money to spend, and Nintendo can gain much more by focusing on an alternative market!! it's not becaus of "theyr love of games"... come on!
This time you're just plain wrong - I know you'll never admit it. I have yet to see you say "ok, sorry. I take that back"
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 21:16 Post subject: |
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I'm wrong? Oh excuse me, I didn't know you could be wrong about believes.
This is how I see Nintendo, take it or leave it, but dont tell me I'm wrong. I never said he was wrong, did I? Even though he is speculating just as I do.
No one knows what Nintendos TRUE intentions are, but I believe that they are what I wrote. Might be wrong, or might be right, but never tell someone they are wrong unless you know for a fact that they are, and this you dont know in this mather.
I find it very easy to admit that I'm wrong, if I'm proven wrong. I have at many times admited that I was wrong about some things on this forum.
I even admited about the camera in my precious Metal gear solid, that the new camera was indeed better, something I said "NO WAY" to before. So give me facts that Nintendos intentions are world domination and I will gladly admit how wrong I was, but untill you do that, be a man and accept my opinion about it, I accept yours.
And of course Nintendo would gladly dominate the world, which company wouldn't? but I belive that it's not their ultimate goal in the gaming business, and not something they work towards. But it is Sonys and Microsofts.
Edit: Man, in MY opinion he is wrong since his believes aren't the same as mine. But when it comes to facts, neither is right, we are both equally wrong or right.
Dont just read the words as they are, use your head supino. :/
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Supino
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 21:23 Post subject: |
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"I'm sorry sir, but it's you that see things wrong"
If that isn't saying he's wrong, i don't know..
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