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Morphineus
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Don't think its a troll, I do think he doesn't even know what he wants and is just spending money for the sake of spending it.
He's all over the place and that doesn't really help in feeling motivated to give suggestions.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Sep 2017 18:57 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | Don't think its a troll, I do think he doesn't even know what he wants and is just spending money for the sake of spending it.
He's all over the place and that doesn't really help in feeling motivated to give suggestions. |
So researching the market is now "trolling" or "not knowing what he wants" ?
Dude. It's not 1997 to just go and grab most expensive stuff of the shelf. Apparently quality is not associated with top product anymore...
Nowadays, You go and spend 600$ or 900$ on a monitor and then it happens to be a panel lottery, qc issues, banding and so on. And there are hundreds of models on the market...
I know how all the tech works and so on. Comparing opinions and forming my own is not a bad thing. I don't run into the store just like that.
After week of reading I am pretty sure that most of these companies should be sued for this "Panel lottery". How the fuck can this even be a thing...
If I knew that spending 1000$ will give me a great product I would gladly wait few months and get ips, qhd, gsync, 999hz monitor. But I see enough opinions about people doing that... 7 times to find the model with best QC...
This is unimaginable. Especially after how fantastic crt's were...Give me back my eizo but in 24inch and I am reinforcing my desk to hold it day one 
I just want a normal monitor... Mine have a bit of banding, one of corners appears yellow because somehow I am off angle looking being at the center of the screen and it ghosts like crazy.
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@Shocktrooper
Thanks. I am reading the forum now. Sorry, I didn't knew about gsync. Someone on reddit mentioned that it lowers some specs when enabled.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2017 15:22 Post subject: |
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I'm personally waiting for 35' hdr 21:9 144hz no fald stuff that is coming out next year or 27' 4k hdr with fald 144hz.
Honestly? Upgrading monitor right now is super stupid. Wait a year.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2017 15:43 Post subject: |
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edit: Kc cannot into 144hz or 2k(due to gtx1060)... so I just ordered Dell U2417H. Newest dell ips with factory calibration and minimal input lag. About 4/5ms of input+response lag combined. My current va iiyama have 12ms of response time alone.
It's on a hassle-free return policy, no questions asked so I will return it if it's not noticeable improvement. It was also quite cheaper than anything else I considered at first.
So yeah, I am staying at 60hz for now but at least I might get some very good color accuracy, smallest, flush bezels and "lag free" experience compared to my iiyama. Not bad considering I can still sell my iiyama (if dell wins).
edit2: returned. Colors were nice but it there was serious black crush and QC of the monitor was terrible. On lower bezel there was huge gap with some tape inside. Very bad looking. Also - display port was not working. I had to jiggle the cable to make it work for a moment.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 17:02 Post subject: |
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As an update to this miserable piece of shit "research" thread I can finally summarize that.... KC can into 240hz !!!
I've got newest AOC AG251FG. 25", G-Sync, 240hz monitor. Sure it's TN but I am surprised to see very good color accuracy and viewing angles being actually good(reasonable compared to older TN).
And there is no ips glow or va gamma shift both of which I dislike a lot. With any ips I had, it always looked like if there was a window or light source reflecting in monitor(glow).
The experience is fucking incredible. I love the upgrade so much 
Not only the screen quality looks good, what is most important is high hz and Gsync/ulmb.
In older or less demanding games, 240hz (best used with 237fps RTSS cap and gsync enabled) is just amazing.
Everything moves so smoothly without any delay. Even stupid desktop experience has changed.
And with games where I cannot do that many fps like Withcher 3~70fps, Gsync smoothed out the experience so much, it's difficult to even comprehend. No tearing, no delay, smooth image.
Simple test is just rotating around with slow mouse movements or analog stick. With Gsync turned off, it can stutter and tears. With Gsync it's perfect.
I have to say I am really impressed and I did not believed in that high refresh rate bullshit.
There is also ultra low motion blur mode (working up to 144hz) which eliminates ALL ghosting possible.
This test:
https://www.testufo.com/#test=ghosting&background=004040&separation=160&pps=960&graphics=bbufo-tinytext.png&pursuit=0
Looks crystal clear with ulmb 144hz enabled. Text is sharp. At 240hz without ulmb it's not as easy to read but it is still possible. While on any other monitor I had, ghosting trail was just as long as ufo itself 
edit: I do have 2 problems with the monitor though: I have not yet decided if I should disable motion blur in games or not and Max Payne shoot dodges so fucking low on the ground at 240hz. The physics engine is completely broken
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 17:11 Post subject: |
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Is there even a noticable difference between 144/120 Hz and 240 Hz?
I can imagine that is there a very noticable one from 60 to 144 Hz though.
To me those high value Hz just seem like some marketing gag. same like TVs with 10.000 Hz.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 17:18 Post subject: |
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Well I upgraded from 60.. so if there was a choice of 240 Gsync (those monitors JUST came out), then why not get that.
I can clearly see a difference on desktop usage. That is even between 144 and 240hz. Mouse looks smoother, scrolling, dragging windows etc. Also, there is less ghosting on 240hz. In games it's not maybe that much more noticeable. Gsync is a bigger improvement
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 17:27 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: | | Is there even a noticable difference between 144/120 Hz and 240 Hz? |
Yes. About halved motion blur. And KC experienced less motion blur with 144Hz and low persistence mode as opposed to 240Hz sample & hold. That means, that 240Hz isn't even enough for this particular problem.
But I still reckon that a low persistence mode could be the more economical solution.
| Bob Barnsen wrote: | | To me those high value Hz just seem like some marketing gag. same like TVs with 10.000 Hz. |
Not the same thing. While 1000Hz should be enough for all intents and purposes, the problem with these modes is not the usefulness of high refreshrates and framerates, but the errors in motion interpolation. Motion interpolation is really hard and in fact an ill-posed problem. It is impossible to recover the original image with certainty (though that may not be neccessary), but it still super hard to produce a convincing image otherwise.
@ KC
Does the mouse still look smoother with 240Hz if compared to the crystal clear mode with 144Hz?
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 17:31 Post subject: |
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Yes. The mouse feels smoother at 240hz compared to 144hz low persistance. And yes - i am using g400 at 1000hz
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Nui
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 22:17 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: | Is there even a noticable difference between 144/120 Hz and 240 Hz?
I can imagine that is there a very noticable one from 60 to 144 Hz though.
To me those high value Hz just seem like some marketing gag. same like TVs with 10.000 Hz. |
240 is more a gag than anything. For anyone to actually get frames that high for it to actually matter would require some beefy ass hardware or to run settings a lot lower than it would be worth running. Anything on a 1060 especially with 1440p isn't going to happen.
I've got a 1080ti and running most games on high/max barely gets me to my 144hz. |
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 23:02 Post subject: |
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60 to 144 is very noticiable, but personally i don´t care about high hz monitors, i enjoy my games at 60hz with top notch picture quality. Anyway gz for the new monitor KC! (even tho you managed to get monitor that is very CPU bound, you need to replace your whole computer to achieve that kind of FPS, even then it will be impossible task on most of the games).
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 23:08 Post subject: |
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@Speekez
That screen is 1080p. It's all fine and with 4k dsr all aliasing is removed (if not other option is available).
I am doing full 240hz in plenty of few years old games and in some less demanding ones.
About 150 in Doom. Ofcourse I am not going to do even half of that 240 in most new games. But then Gsync comes in or I can always lower some details. Gsync is a serious game changer.
Most nowadays games suck ass, so I am playing older or indie stuff anyways for most part. And I am sure games like new Wolf will work ok
@Breezer - I understand You absolutely. 60hz is perfectly fine and I probably would not have a problem going back to it (yet) but it does feel choppy compared to higher hz somehow... And however stupid it sounds, that monitor I bought have great colors accuracy and better black performance than ips monitors I've used. No ips va glow and dark screen looks more consistent. I enjoy it for both screen quality and high hz/sync.
But once we get olde/proper fald monitors with gsync for normal price, it will be a dream. Right now there are no perfect monitors.
IPS have terrible glow, backlight bleed problems
TN have poor viewing angles (better than years ago but still not ideal)
VA have ghosting like crazy or some other motion artifacts.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 23:11 Post subject: |
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GSYNC is fantastic indeed, I have been searching good 34" (21:9) Gsync monitor tho, but im very picky about image quality, GSYNC ultrawide monitors are garbage all what i have tried (ultrawide + IPS is glowfest on the sides), the new ASUS ROG monitor have got my interest (200hz, 3440x1440 ultrawide, HDR, quantum dot etc.. but we will see if its that premium like they say, its price is rumored to be 1500€+, for that price i would not expect any flaws on the panel).
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 23:17 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | GSYNC is fantastic indeed, I have been searching good 34" (21:9) Gsync monitor tho, but im very picky about image quality, GSYNC ultrawide monitors are garbage all what i have tried (ultrawide + IPS is glowfest on the sides), the new ASUS ROG monitor have got my interest (200hz, 3440x1440 ultrawide, HDR, quantum dot etc.. but we will see if its that premium like they say, its price is rumored to be 1500€+, for that price i would not expect any flaws on the panel). |
yeah those are very hard to find good (or impossible now).
Curved monitors from samsung tend to have bad pixels and uniformity problems due to curving process.
Most if not all IPS monitors are bld+glowfest. Even decent normal 60hz Dell U2417H which I've had for a day and returned was a glowfest. It looked bad even from the front-on proper viewing position. Colors were great but it was crushing blacks and looked like if something was reflecting in the screen all the time.
And TN, even though they avoid most IPS and VA problems are not recommended higher than 25"... maybe You could get away with 27" but the bigger it is, the worse viewing angles You would perceive. (Even though I think the viewing angles problem with Tn is way overblown).
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2017 23:33 Post subject: |
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VA panel can be pretty much flawless, my current Samsung is pretty much perfect (calibrated it with Spyder4Pro), no dead pixels and there is literally no blb at all or glow (unless you go retard and watch the monitor completely on the side where you cannot see anything anyway).
Tried the new 100hz quantum dot samsung ultrawide, and the panel was completely shit compared to this one, hate that these expensive monitors have lottery aswell.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2017 00:31 Post subject: |
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Its a Panasonic 50VTW60, so last generation, higher end panel. My i1Display Pro measures 0.002 nits black, but take that with a grain of salt, as the colorimeters abilities should be stretching thin about there. Black uniformity should not be an issue with plasma. There is more a chance of some DSE and a plethora of other issues, some dynamic.
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