Why MIRROR StarForce clones don't work for many people
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maverick33




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 19:05    Post subject: Why MIRROR StarForce clones don't work for many people
I lately am seeing many SF Clone releases by MIRROR. They work for some, but for most people they are simply useless. That's why the method used to copy StarForce protected CDs is very hardware dependent. You have to compute degree angles, sectors, memory block and stuff like that, and that very much depends on one's hardware.
I know how to copy SF protected discs (that's quite easy once you understand how it works) and I can make endless copies of every SF protected CD, since my config file is going to be always the same. At least until I change my hardware.
So, MIRROR releases are created with this method, but of course their clones do work on their PCs, but on many others SF can't be tricked, since the config file, as I explained before, must be created in accordance with the hardware you possess.
So, thanks to MIRROR for their efforts, but I think their clones are quite useless up to now, at least for many people. The only useful thing is that their MDS files contain DPMs, which are essential to correctly create your personal config file for copying SF CDs.
Anyway, I hope this clears things up a little, since I read many post about MIRROR clones not working. Feel free to post your comments. I'm curious to know how many people actually manage to get these clones working.

*MAVERICK*


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msnes




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 19:09    Post subject:
Can you say more for this config file?
Because we have the mirror image but something is going wrong when its ready to start...


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Weedo




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 19:52    Post subject:
Well thanks to Mirror I can play burned copies of Trackmania Sunrise, CRC 2005 and Suffering Ties That Bind (without having to do shit like disconnecting my drives) so they are definitely NOT useless. It seems it highly depends on the used CD-R media. We should all post in every SFClone release thread with which media it works. So far I didn't find the right media for the Xpand Rally SFClone but the three other Mirror releases I tried are working fine.
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msnes




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 19:58    Post subject:
Ι dont think that problem is media.I said that my burned copy (cold war,crc2005/philips cdr 52x) )worked for the first time but after no.So media isnt important for me.There is other reason.........


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dundersmet




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 20:00    Post subject:
tried 4 different medias, no one worked... Tested on 3 computers
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maverick33




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 20:38    Post subject:
Media is not important. It all depends on the hardware, I repeat.
If you know the method and are able to create SF Clones by yourself, every media is fine. My SF Clones work even on cheap CD-RWs.

*MAVERICK*


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msnes




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:04    Post subject:
So is it easy to explain us how can we correct the config?Or it is private?And how can we see the info of mirror dpms?
Also a last question
Can burned cds work with corrected config?


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maverick33




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:08    Post subject:
msnes wrote:
So is it easy to explain us how can we correct the config?Or it is private?And how can we see the infos of mirror dpms?


Explaining the method would take too much time. And I should translate it into English, and now I don't have neither the time nor the desire. Anyway, it should be posted "among the freaks" (if you know what I mean).
The info on DPMs can be found in the mds files of all MIRROR release. You need an MDS with correct DPMs to correctly configure the file, and make the "method" work.

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skyhacker




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:29    Post subject:
I also had many problems with the mirror releases tried about everything 4 diferent media and 5 diferent burners so for me it's not hardware.
I can only get them to work folowing this method
1 - Load the game image in to Alcohol (latest) and install Game
2 - Get FScure, unpack it and click !setup.bat
3 - Run the game it will ask to reboot to finish the install of the protection before rebooting get sfdrvup.exe and run it then restart
4 - Go to the Sfcure Folder and run !start.bat
5 - Run Starforce Nightmare (SFN.exe) and click these by the folowing order (Disable Node, Disable CD, Disable Node, and disable the chanelyour drives are connected 1 or 2)
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:40    Post subject:
for the SF mirror cd clones media CAN make an difference, if you are going to fix an SF cd game yourself with the tools posted on some "freak" site then media isn't important cause specific title is fixed for THAT specific cd-r disc . but with mirror releases its more try and error luck or no luck so media can make an difference every media has different dye etc also during SF disc check limiting youre cdrom or dvdrom drive to 8x speed or lower could do the trick. Smile
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maverick33




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:46    Post subject:
skyhacker wrote:
I also had many problems with the mirror releases tried about everything 4 diferent media and 5 diferent burners so for me it's not hardware.


Maybe I haven't made myself clear. When I said "hardware", I wasn't referring to burning the ISO with different burners and on different machines. I was referring to the fact that MIRROR created a config file relative to their machine and hardware, and eventually patched the ISO according to that config file. That's why their release doesn't work on many computers.
If you want to backup StarForce CDs and run them on your PC, you MUST create the backups and patch the ISO yourself. This way, it will work with EVERY media and CD-ROM reader on the market.

*MAVERICK*
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Weedo




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 22:01    Post subject:
maverick33 wrote:
Media is not important. It all depends on the hardware, I repeat.
If you know the method and are able to create SF Clones by yourself, every media is fine. My SF Clones work even on cheap CD-RWs.

*MAVERICK*


Yes if you do it yourself but if you want to use the Mirror releases media is very important. I would even say it depends solely on the used media. If you use similar media like the creator of the patched image used then it works otherwise it doesn't work.
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TheNerd




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 01:42    Post subject:
Weedo wrote:
Well thanks to Mirror I can play burned copies of Trackmania Sunrise, CRC 2005 and Suffering Ties That Bind (without having to do shit like disconnecting my drives) so they are definitely NOT useless. It seems it highly depends on the used CD-R media. We should all post in every SFClone release thread with which media it works. So far I didn't find the right media for the Xpand Rally SFClone but the three other Mirror releases I tried are working fine.


i agree!!!


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skyhacker




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 11:35    Post subject:
The question here is that I shouldn't have to buy new hardware to play some group releases.
I have no question about Mirror releases working or not but I've seen some releases get NUKED for far less.
Like I said I have burned the images with diferent burners at 4x even at 2x and never got it to work.
Anyway I think sooner or later a crack will be made available until then i'm using my method.
Tried it with 4 games so far and worked.
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 12:03    Post subject:
yeah like for TOCA 2 just have to wait ...


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Brisk




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 12:59    Post subject:
Playing all SFClones from MiRROR here with SFCure... couldn't play the games without those clones so.... NOT useless imho.

Few months back we couldn't even play most starforce protected games, atm i think we can play most of them. It's a start and better then nothing.
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maverick33




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 13:41    Post subject:
I'm not saying MIRROR clones are useless. They certainly are a step forward when working. I'm just saying that many people can't get them working. And a release that doesn't work for everyone is not a "real" release in my opinion.
Cracked releases work for everyone. SafeDisc and SecuROM clones work for everyone (using mini-images, SR-STOP, D-Tools and the like). MIRROR SF Clones simply do not. That's the point. It's like taking a medicine who has positive effects only on some people and telling the world that a cure has been discovered.

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msnes




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 14:22    Post subject:
You are right maverick but how can you explain that these clones work for one time and then not?


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-Spikey-




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 17:05    Post subject:
But if you could write a manual, how to burn starforce copies, then they will not useless for many people anymore Wink
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maverick33




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 17:59    Post subject:
I'll probably write one. Just need to translate the one I have into English and it's ready for all of you to enjoy.

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Hfric




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 18:13    Post subject:
PEOPLE OF THE WORLD I HAVE FOUND HOW TO COPY MIRROR SF TO A CD Very Happy Very Happy
Very Happy
you can copy they sfclones to any cheap cd ... Very Happy Very Happy but to run them you need to :
1.have alcohol 120 the newest version instaled

BURN ONLY THIS CD THAT HAS THE SF PROTECTION

2.copy them and 4X , profile securom new {not the securom new 4/5 }, RAW DAO writing
3 When asked, select "Keep TOC as on source cd, write until end of image file"
4.wait about 30 min till the cd is burned

AFTER THIS STEP MANY PEOPLE HAD MADE A BIG F**K ERROR so this one is important

5.install SP1 to you xp then , SP2 {why install sp2 BECZO ITS NEEDED TO RUN THIS CLONES WITH OUT THIS ONE THEY DONT RUN TRUST ME I HAVE check it Razz }
6.install the sfclone game from those images

DONT RUN THIS GAME after the install

7. go to windows/system32/ to delete some files that start with SF***** {it may be 4 or 7 files }
8.then insert the cd and play Very Happy {BUT WAIT dont run this cd from your burner becoz in the middle of the copy check they will say that the cd has a fizical error , RUN this cd from your cd/dvd drive BUT not the burner }

this trick worked on every MIRROR SFCLONE Very Happy check it by my self Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

but remember every the sf will upload those SF**** files again so if the next time the cd will not work then i simply deleted those files again and guess what it worked again Razz
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IcedFreon




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 18:33    Post subject:
and what are you supposed to do if your burner doesnt burn cd's at 4x. my NEC 3520a only goes as low as 8x for cd's.
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Weedo




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 19:40    Post subject:
I'm not sure what you think you have discovered Hfric but I'm 100% about one thing - you don't need SP2. I have only SP1 installed and the SFClones are working fine.
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 20:18    Post subject:
IcedFreon
try nero cd/dvd speed program to check if you cd can this speed buts that strange becoz every cd burner can burn at 4x speed

Weedo
yeah your right but some SF game I MEAN the new one may not work with SP1 trust me i have check that on SP1 some i say SOME Sfclones {the older sf versions } work but some games need that sp2 to get it to work {newer SF version }


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bigboy177




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 20:56    Post subject:
Hi pps... Wink

I don't know what's all the fuss about these clones... I decided to download few of the mirror's releases, and all of them worked for me... I just burned them a few times, to check different media types and always found a working one... Not every game can be burned on the same brand of CDs, but everything works great if you find the right one for the particular game... I'm using an old TEAC 40x burner, and a whole bunch of cds... Wink
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maul_inc




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 23:10    Post subject: Manual
@ Maverick.

That manual that you are writing, what language is it? or how far are you in the works?
waiting excitedly and patient
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hawat




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 06:35    Post subject:
Oki a small question.

So I did the burning like in the NFO. Then I installed, no problems. But it never asks for the CD key? What do I need it for?

Then if I try to start the game it asks me if I want to reboot. So I check for the files to erease strating with SF... I only have sfc.dll, sfc.exe, sfc_os.dll, sfcfiles.dll, sfmapi.dll starting with sf, inside win\system32. And they all smees related to Sfc.exe, system file checker tool. So it wouldn't be a good idea to del them even if I could.

So are there any other files I should del in order to make the game work? Or do I have to del these files, some of them?

Some people talked about specific media? Could you give some names? What kind of media would I need for this?

A last thing that could be posing problems, I don't have a simple reader. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner. Could this make the game impossible to start?

So, when I run the game it asks me to reboot, if I do so, it installes the SF drivers and the game never recognises the CD. It loads, checks and in the end tells me it failed to indentify the CD.

Is there something I'm doing wrong? Heelp
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 11:23    Post subject:
hawat wrote:
Oki a small question.

So I did the burning like in the NFO. Then I installed, no problems. But it never asks for the CD key? What do I need it for?

Then if I try to start the game it asks me if I want to reboot. So I check for the files to erease strating with SF... I only have sfc.dll, sfc.exe, sfc_os.dll, sfcfiles.dll, sfmapi.dll starting with sf, inside win\system32. And they all smees related to Sfc.exe, system file checker tool. So it wouldn't be a good idea to del them even if I could.

So are there any other files I should del in order to make the game work? Or do I have to del these files, some of them?


dont delete sfc.exe and sfc.dll but the other file you can delete

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Some people talked about specific media? Could you give some names? What kind of media would I need for this?


any media works Wink

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A last thing that could be posing problems, I don't have a simple reader. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner. Could this make the game impossible to start?

So, when I run the game it asks me to reboot, if I do so, it installes the SF drivers and the game never recognises the CD. It loads, checks and in the end tells me it failed to indentify the CD.


SO you have a problem becoz i have tested it on a cd and a dvd burner and the games dont woked at all , it will only work on a cd/dvd reader / looks like the laser in those burners is too precize when reading data , this is good when making images and burning but not for clones Sad
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Weedo




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 11:44    Post subject:
hawat wrote:

Some people talked about specific media? Could you give some names? What kind of media would I need for this?


That depends on the game. It can be different each time. You need similar media like the group member who created the patched clone used.

hawat wrote:

A last thing that could be posing problems, I don't have a simple reader. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner. Could this make the game impossible to start?


Yes then you don't even have to try the burn method. Your only option is the SFCure method.
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gilyos




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 18:52    Post subject:
i juststart to learn how it works this *.cfg file this method it hard to understand but i hope i can beat it Laughing
btw if you catch it you can do it for all rlss but for now it works only on cd no dvd for the moment.
i know there is some tutorials in russian lol so i hope you can translate to us it would be much easier.
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