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prudislav
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| EternalBlueScreen wrote: | Being a PC gamer is expensive af. Our machines cost twice or thrice the shitty consoles do as well.
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That's such a bullshit and i really hate it when people say that.
I have a PC and PS4.
Yes PC is more expensive to begin with, but you get faaaar more from PC than you will ever get from console. But ok, let's focus on gaming.
Almost every console player plays on TV. You didn't get your TV for free did you? And good TV still costs good amount of money, so you need to count that in also.
Games for consoles are not really easy to get cheap. Yes, you can buy keys, but country restrictions on PS4 are real pain in the ass. For PC you can get almost every new game for almost half the price on the first day of the release. PC games go on discount very often on various sites, platforms, whatever. For PS4 you're mostly restricted to PSN sales.
Yes, PSN sales can be also good, but far from ones on PC. Personally, i 've got really lucky with the timing so 3 months into owning PS4 i already almost have all the exclusives i want since there was Easter sale, some sale before that, used free PS+ so i had bigger discounts and so on, but overall it's fucked up. And all my friends who are mainly consoler players complain about that and envy me (suckers  ).
And yeah, if you want MP on PS4 you need to pay for it. Fuck that.
And don't even get me started on 30 fps bullshit and weak hardware in PS4.
So no, long run console gaming is more expensive. Different story is you want to play only one or two games forever.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2017 12:16 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2017 12:32 Post subject: |
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How is this an improvement or nothing much lost? Now, users from slightly cheaper store regions like Norway, Canada, can't send gift to friends who are in EU/US because of the price difference. Before there was restriction only on really cheap regions, like RU, South America, Asia...but nooo, that was still not enough for Valve.
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chiv
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2017 12:40 Post subject: |
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It's an improvement because now people will buy from their own stores, meaning more profits - and don't say it won't happen like that... It's customers have shown them as much during the recent sales. The discounts and offerings got worse and worse, and they were the most successful sales ever.
Valve has been testing us and learning how we behave...this has been a long time coming. They know what suckers steam customers are, like clockwork every time we kick and scream and make a fuss, but when that next glorious sale comes around, we'r chomping at the bit to shower valve with money... and they know it.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2017 14:15 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Sun, 7th May 2017 20:08 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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DimasL
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DimasL
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| Posted: Sun, 7th May 2017 20:56 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 7th May 2017 21:00 Post subject: |
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@DimasL
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 11:35 Post subject: |
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a kick in the balls for the countries that get bad regional pricing, and making gifting overall very annoying.
whats gets me is that in the announcement they try to spin it like it's a good thing.
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 11:57 Post subject: |
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You must be new to steam. This is how they've always done things... Remove features or add restrictions, and say how positive the changes are...
And yet it keeps working for them... Their user base hasn't gotten any less fanatical.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 12:00 Post subject: |
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They should just stop discriminating based on where you live and offer the same price for everyone. Sure, it'll make games much more expensive in poorer regions, but that's the same as for many types of imported forms of entertainment and leisure. It might make people unhappy, I get that, but it's also the only "economically fair" way to approach it.
Currently, what's happening is equivalent to the following situation. Imagine you open a barber shop in the countryside, and you know that people in the city earn more on average. Now when someone comes in and wants a haircut, the first thing you ask is where they're from - and if they're from the city, you hike up your price. That's ridiculous, right? In fact, it would actually be illegal in most countries. Yet that's precisely how these regional prices work.
Just my 2 "globalist" cents.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 12:56 Post subject: |
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First of all, the actual price would be somewhere near the middle, not the same as the highest price now. Second, yes, we have the same prices for everyone in real life - for food, for movies, for vacations, for rent - and I also expect it to be so in the virtual world. I gave a good example of why I think so above, you are welcome to refer to that (and think about it, and dispute it if you like).
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 12:58 Post subject: |
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| Prandur wrote: | | First of all, the actual price would be somewhere near the middle, not the same as the highest price now. Second, yes, we have the same prices for everyone in real life - for food, for movies, for vacations, for rent - and I also expect it to be so in the virtual world. |
In germany rent costs 800euros at the least in countries like india rent isnt as high because ppl dont even earn that much. So we dont have the same prices in real life for everything the same applies for food etc.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 13:05 Post subject: |
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800 euros rent? maybe in munich or berlin, but for 800 euros you can rent a "doppelhaushälfte" if its not directly in the city centre of some overhyped hipster city like munich,berlin whatever
a friend of mine pays 600 for a huge appartment two footminutes apart the city centre of a bigger city with a huge garden (for his use only, the two other appartments above dont have garden access at all)
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 13:06 Post subject: |
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You have the same price for the *same things*. If an Indian comes to Germany, he pays same rent as a German. If I come from a poor rural area in Germany and want to fly to the Bahamas, I'll pay the same price as a guy from Frankfurt. If I buy an apple at *one* place, I'll pay that price regardless of where I come from. If I'm a marketing company offering services, I'm not allowed to ask for the economic background of my clients before setting the price.
Comparing rent in India and Germany is not comparing the same thing; by market standards, apparently there is higher demand for apartments in Germany. But in terms of steam games, you're literally buying the same item from the same seller, with no additional costs incurred in first-world countries than in third-world countries. You can't argue that the price hike is due to higher salaries of workers or due to higher transportations costs. It's really just an artificual hike.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 13:09 Post subject: |
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| Prandur wrote: | | First of all, the actual price would be somewhere near the middle, not the same as the highest price now. Second, yes, we have the same prices for everyone in real life - for food, for movies, for vacations, for rent - and I also expect it to be so in the virtual world. I gave a good example of why I think so above, you are welcome to refer to that (and think about it, and dispute it if you like). |
That ain't true at all. Rent, food, even movies and other entertainment options are usually way cheaper in poor countries, because else 2 thirds of the population would starve in the streets.
And your example is pure garbage. You are talking about a 5-15% income increase for "city folk", which get's usually more than eaten up by the higher costs of living in a city.
I'm far from a top earning job yet I still have several thousand euros per year to spend on entertainment and consumer electronics. Most people in those countries you want to fuck over have less than that for everything.
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 13:23 Post subject: |
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| Kater Mikesch wrote: | | Prandur wrote: | | They should just stop discriminating based on where you live and offer the same price for everyone. Sure, it'll make games much more expensive in poorer regions, but that's the same as for many types of imported forms of entertainment and leisure. |
What? You actually want poor people to pay MORE because somehow you think it's discriminating that you have to pay full price and they don't?! Are you for real?  |
i mean... treating some people better (or worse) than you treat others IS discrimination. its the complete opposite of equality.
whether or not its 'fair' is a different issue, but regional pricing is most definitely discrimination. |
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 14:02 Post subject: |
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| Kater Mikesch wrote: | | Prandur wrote: | | First of all, the actual price would be somewhere near the middle, not the same as the highest price now. Second, yes, we have the same prices for everyone in real life - for food, for movies, for vacations, for rent - and I also expect it to be so in the virtual world. I gave a good example of why I think so above, you are welcome to refer to that (and think about it, and dispute it if you like). |
That ain't true at all. Rent, food, even movies and other entertainment options are usually way cheaper in poor countries, because else 2 thirds of the population would starve in the streets.
And your example is pure garbage. You are talking about a 5-15% income increase for "city folk", which get's usually more than eaten up by the higher costs of living in a city.
I'm far from a top earning job yet I still have several thousand euros per year to spend on entertainment and consumer electronics. Most people in those countries you want to fuck over have less than that for everything. |
Enuff said
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 14:19 Post subject: |
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"Think about the poor!"
*Some whooping going on in a boardroom*
While some keep paying 3 or 4 times more for the exact same product that doesn't cost anything to copy or stock (if we ignore the minor detail of taxation). But hey their pockets are deeper so they deserve to get screwed with. 
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2017 14:53 Post subject: |
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Just wanted to defend my claim in view of the above comments. The fact that food, rent, etc. is cheaper in poorer countries is due to two reasons:
-lower local salary costs
-lower market demand
That's why, if you had a flat in Germany and there was an exact copy of it in India, with high probably you'll see that the flat in India would cost much less ("lower market demand"). Similarly, you'd pay less for a cheeseburger in China than in France, since the salary costs for the Chinese farmers/producers and the guy preparing the cheeseburger are likely to be much lower than in France ("lower local salary costs"), the burger would be cheaper. This is all natural and works to some extent; of course, in an ideal world, these price differences would be small or wouldn't exist at all.
Neither of the above factors however apply to the sale of digital products. The costs for preparing a digital product (production costs) and delivering it to a customer (delivery costs, i.e., almost 0 in this case) are the same, regardless of where people are. The price adjustments are made artificially by companies to maximize profits. It's literally the same as in the paradoxical thought experiment with the barber I gave above. Whether the actual difference is 1% or 500% is completely irrelevant; the question is one of principles, not specific numbers.
Now, we don't need to agree whether removing this form of "spatial discrimination" would be helpful or not. But we should at least agree that it is a form of discrimination.
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