Intel's Kaby Lake
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tonizito
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 19:36    Post subject:
berb is now rich kraut. 7700K and 1080ti incoming, I'm jelly Sad


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 19:39    Post subject:
grinhurt
Just 7700k, but no 1080 Ti.
Still have a 970, and it might even still be sufficent for 1080p gaming.

Might try out one of those cheap 1070 though. Seeing how the cooling and overclocking is compared to the more expensive brands.


// But aren't you having a 1070 yourself for quite some time already at least? Mad
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2017 16:37    Post subject:
In Germany only one shop is offering the "Delid-Die-Mate 2" (Caseking).

Anyone has experience if you can return the product after it has served its purpose? Cool Face

Don't really want to waste nearly 34€ for a one-time tool.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2017 16:47    Post subject:
sure you can, 14 days return without any reasons. bobby plz, thats normal


but its a bitchmove, try buying and selling it again from hardware forums. hardwareluxx for example
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2017 16:48    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2017 16:49    Post subject:
Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2017 08:10    Post subject:
Caseking fuckers, Delid Die Mate 2 is not available currently and they have no real idea when it will be again:
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1662514&page=5&p=19971931#post19971931


Embarassed
So nowhere else i can order such a tool and receive it in the next days, omg.


How save is that manual method, with razorblades i think? Surprised
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2017 16:11    Post subject:
It will be safe only if you know what you are doing, but hammer + vise combo is pretty safe.
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2017 20:16    Post subject:
Well, i found this video:




Looks relatively easy. And i would feel safer with this method, then using a hammer. xD


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2017 21:01    Post subject:
Bad luck men.
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2017 21:29    Post subject:
Wait, so the 7700k gets crazy hot even with a watercooling solution?


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2017 22:06    Post subject:
Poor thermal dissipation between the actual CPU chip and the heat spreader due to the TIM meaning the material in-between the two being pretty poor.

Intel used to solder the thing which has it's downsides but performance was excellent, now they use some paste(?) though probably a bit different from what you put on the spreader as a layer between that and the fan base but yeah, cooling performance isn't very good so the chip gets hot, very hot apparently with these newest CPU models.

Thus people get adventurous and pop the lid off and slap on some decent cooling stuff instead of whatever waste material Intel used by default which is then called delidding though obviously you don't put the fan on the naked CPU but pop the lid back on afterwards.
(Otherwise you'd likely break the CPU since it's fragile.)

EDIT: Intel used to use solder until ~2012 I think it was when they switched to this method instead, I'm not too well versed into the negative points of that method but the possible performance gain and overclock while lowering overall temps does make this a very popular practice but it's very easy to nick the CPU chip which is why this "popper" exists which squeezes the lid off in a more safe way though I'd probably be very careful even so.

And for AMD I think the Ryzen CPU's are still soldered, not too sure if that's for all of them though or just the higher-end models.
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2017 22:26    Post subject:
So I guess it's the same with 6700k?


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Apr 2017 20:08    Post subject:
Tomorrow i will delid the new CPU with a razor.

Are you as excited as me to see if i suceed or destroy it?

TBH watched several videos with that method now, and it really doesn't look that hard - if you are patient.
But knowing my luck something will go bad. Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Apr 2017 20:19    Post subject:
excited to see you fail, just for the amusement. sorry bob Razz

what paste have you ordered? conductonaut?
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Apr 2017 21:37    Post subject:
Yea, Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut for under the IHS, and the classic Arctic MX-4 for the cooler.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 18:56    Post subject:
Got my budget build few months ago -

G4560, GTX 1050ti, 8 GB DDR4

Games working fine for now...

Think I'm gonna wait a year and just replace CPU and GPU (I7 7700 and Volta)


chill out man, life is beautifull...
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Jun 2017 20:43    Post subject:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1393057

Quote:

https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/06/16/intel-core-i9-7900x-and-x299-chipset-revie/4

At stock, it is faster than 6950X

Overclocked to 4.6Ghz, it is slower than 6950X(4.4Ghz) in half the apps tested.
Early bios? Changed L2/L3 cache?

It is still a snore.

Except for this bit.

However, temperatures were definitely a concern with Cinebench and Terragen pushing 100°C with our 240mm AIO liquid cooler. As a result, while stable and potentially tameable under custom water-cooling, we decided to go for 4.6GHz for benchmarking, which required a super-low 1.22V. Interestingly our Core i7-6950X ran much cooler despite using a significantly higher voltage, albeit at 4.4GHz. This could well be due to thermal paste having been used between the heatspreader and CPU core with the new Skylake-X CPUs, in which case delidding could potentially yield significant benefits given the high heat density.

Lol Intel!



And Hexus review.
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/107017-intel-core-i9-7900x-14nm-skylake-x/
(Also got really hot when overclocked in their tests.)
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Jun 2017 20:57    Post subject:
So Intel went retard again with rubber for thermal paste?

One would think that especially now they would up their build quality again - a bit at least. Laughing




Ryzen 4 life


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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Jun 2017 10:16    Post subject:
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/debian_project_warns_turn_off_hyperthreading_with_skylake_and_kaby_lake.html

Quote:

Debian developers have issued an advisory to disable hyper-threading with Intel and Skylake- Kaby Lake generation processors. The CPUs can cause problems under certain conditions, in fact on all operating systems.

They advside you to turn it off in the BIOS, and thus forfeit the extra performance you gain. It seems there is s defect for the CPUs in question that can cause compiler- and application crashes, unexpected behavior of programs and incorrect output software:



Quote:




This warning advisory is relevant for users of systems with the Intel
processors code-named "Skylake" and "Kaby Lake". These are: the 6th and
7th generation Intel Core processors (desktop, embedded, mobile and
HEDT), their related server processors (such as Xeon v5 and Xeon v6), as
well as select Intel Pentium processor models.

TL;DR: unfixed Skylake and Kaby Lake processors could, in some
situations, dangerously misbehave when hyper-threading is enabled.
Disable hyper-threading immediately in BIOS/UEFI to work around the
problem. Read this advisory for instructions about an Intel-provided
fix.


SO, WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?
---------------------------

This advisory is about a processor/microcode defect recently identified
on Intel Skylake and Intel Kaby Lake processors with hyper-threading
enabled. This defect can, when triggered, cause unpredictable system
behavior: it could cause spurious errors, such as application and system
misbehavior, data corruption, and data loss.

It was brought to the attention of the Debian project that this defect
is known to directly affect some Debian stable users (refer to the end
of this advisory for details), thus this advisory.

Please note that the defect can potentially affect any operating system
(it is not restricted to Debian, and it is not restricted to Linux-based
systems). It can be either avoided (by disabling hyper-threading), or
fixed (by updating the processor microcode).

Due to the difficult detection of potentially affected software, and the
unpredictable nature of the defect, all users of the affected Intel
processors are strongly urged to take action as recommended by this
advisory.

WHAT SHOULD I DO IF I DO HAVE SUCH PROCESSORS?
----------------------------------------------

Kaby Lake:

Users of systems with Intel Kaby Lake processors should immediately
*disable* hyper-threading in the BIOS/UEFI configuration. Please
consult your computer/motherboard's manual for instructions, or maybe
contact your system vendor's support line.

The Kaby Lake microcode updates that fix this issue are currently only
available to system vendors, so you will need a BIOS/UEFI update to get
it. Contact your system vendor: if you are lucky, such a BIOS/UEFI
update might already be available, or undergoing beta testing.

You want your system vendor to provide a BIOS/UEFI update that fixes
"Intel processor errata KBL095, KBW095 or the similar one for my Kaby
Lake processor".

We strongly recommend that you should not re-enable hyper-threading
until you install a BIOS/UEFI update with this fix.


Skylake:

Users of systems with Intel Skylake processors may have two choices:

1. If your processor model (listed in /proc/cpuinfo) is 78 or 94, and
the stepping is 3, install the non-free "intel-microcode" package
with base version 3.20170511.1, and reboot the system. THIS IS
THE RECOMMENDED SOLUTION FOR THESE SYSTEMS, AS IT FIXES OTHER
PROCESSOR ISSUES AS WELL.

Run this command in a command line shell (e.g. xterm) to know the
model numbers and steppings of your processor. All processors must
be either model 78 or 94, and stepping 3, for the intel-microcode fix
to work:

grep -E 'model|stepping' /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u

If you get any lines with a model number that is neither 78 or 94, or
the stepping is not 3, you will have to disable hyper-threading as
described on choice 2, below.

Refer to the section "INSTALLING THE MICROCODE UPDATES FROM NON-FREE"
for instructions on how to install the intel-microcode package.

2. For other processor models, disable hyper-threading in BIOS/UEFI
configuration. Please consult your computer/motherboard's manual for
instructions on how to do this. Contact your system vendor for a
BIOS/UEFI update that fixes "Intel erratum SKW144, SKL150, SKX150,
SKZ7, or the similar one for my Skylake processor".

NOTE: If you did not have the intel-microcode package installed on your
Skylake system before, it is best if you check for (and install) any
BIOS/UEFI updates *first*. Read the wiki page mentioned below.




Has there been many reports about HT and stability issues with SL/KL CPU's? I can't remember hearing much about it myself at least.


EDIT: Huge blue box.
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