If you want to see horrible facial animations, look at DE:HR and tell me how much that was bitched about.
That's right, it was minimal. That's because the sheep brigade wasn't out to get it.
The facial animations in Andromeda are average for an AAA game. Not good but definitely not terrible.
It's simply a matter of some people being capable of objectivity and some sheep who can't get past their urge to lash out at Bioware.
Not the end of the world, though.
DE:HR didn't get as much hate because it was a long awaited revival of a beloved game or games depending on ones opinion. And in case you forgot, had it not been the "leak" many here were VERY worried partly because the game looked pretty cheap graphically. But thanks to the "leak", those played it know the game was pretty good where it matters. People were aware graphically it was shit.
Bioware on the other hand have been shit for 3 games straight. No one's gonna cut them any slack for the garbage they've been putting out for the last 7 years.
Also you don't get to talk about objectivity when you believe you could rate whether facial animations are average or not. Who the fuck gets to call what's even the median here when it comes to facial animations? What is even the fucking average for AAA games? Define what's average, then proof MEA's facial animations are average. I'm dying to see you explain this shit. Because in case this wasn't obvious, it's a trap. But you wouldn't have known because you have no idea what objectivity even means.
If you want to see horrible facial animations, look at DE:HR and tell me how much that was bitched about.
That's right, it was minimal. That's because the sheep brigade wasn't out to get it.
The facial animations in Andromeda are average for an AAA game. Not good but definitely not terrible.
It's simply a matter of some people being capable of objectivity and some sheep who can't get past their urge to lash out at Bioware.
Not the end of the world, though.
DE:HR didn't get as much hate because it was a long awaited revival of a beloved game or games depending on ones opinion. And in case you forgot, had it not been the "leak" many here were VERY worried partly because the game looked pretty cheap graphically. But thanks to the "leak", those played it know the game was pretty good where it matters. People were aware graphically it was shit.
Bioware on the other hand have been shit for 3 games straight. No one's gonna cut them any slack for the garbage they've been putting out for the last 7 years.
Also you don't get to talk about objectivity when you believe you could rate whether facial animations are average or not. Who the fuck gets to call what's even the median here when it comes to facial animations? What is even the fucking average for AAA games? Define what's average, then proof MEA's facial animations are average. I'm dying to see you explain this shit. Because in case this wasn't obvious, it's a trap. But you wouldn't have known because you have no idea what objectivity even means.
Is this even a serious post?
So if the revive a beloved franchise it's okay to have weak parts but because it's bioware it's not okay?
Tbh mass effect 1,2 were solid mass effect 3 was shit because of it's wnding which they tried to fix a month or two later with the additional content.
Besides that dragon age origins was great, 2 was shit but inquisition was average though not bad imo.
While bashing all those gmes im pretty sure you still played through all of them.
To get back to andromeda: if we take da and me games into conisderation bioware was never good with facial modelling and animations hell even bethesda with the ekder scrolls series had some ugly stuff out there.
Besides that 30mins gameplay fotage shouldnt be taken as a representation of a potentially 50 hours + game.
Nitpicking ever nook and cranny you can find hilarious shit.in every game.
Critisizing isnt something bad whats bad is hypeing and the complete opposite let's call it bashing which is done here.
The game still could turn out bad but it also could turn out good.
Whats clear to me is that everyone in here will still play it and mostly finish it. Some not all ppl just look for an excuse to pirate it but mşght be a while if it has the D )
P.s.: you go on about what should be seen as bad or good anşmations in a AAA game and say that casius cant just decide that while the ones bashing the game are doing the same. Lol?
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For me it's not just the facial animations. If it was just that one thing, I could let it go. Casus does make a point about DXHR.
My problem with BioWare is the design direction they are taking their games of late: ultra-boring, focus tested, ultra-diverse, dumbed down shit. They think adding the option of putting your dick in all genders adds depth. It does not. Their characters have been very uninspired for many years now. All of them one-dimensional. They became the laughing-stock of this forum. For good reason.
But most of all, BioWare gets called out, because we used to love BioWare. THAT is the reason. We are bitter about losing a good studio to the saddest pits of mediocrity.
DA:I wasn't bad. It was just ... so. fucking. boring and SAFE. No innovation in it, very simplistic plot, very simplistic characters with probably the worst open world this side of 2002.
And it's not even the facial animations, it's more like the FACES themselves. They are right there in the uncanny valley. Creepy as fuck, especially when animated. DXHR wasn't in the uncanny valley.
So if the revive a beloved franchise it's okay to have weak parts but because it's bioware it's not okay?
Tbh mass effect 1,2 were solid mass effect 3 was shit because of it's wnding which they tried to fix a month or two later with the additional content.
Besides that dragon age origins was great, 2 was shit but inquisition was average though not bad imo.
While bashing all those gmes im pretty sure you still played through all of them.
To get back to andromeda: if we take da and me games into conisderation bioware was never good with facial modelling and animations hell even bethesda with the ekder scrolls series had some ugly stuff out there.
Besides that 30mins gameplay fotage shouldnt be taken as a representation of a potentially 50 hours + game.
Nitpicking ever nook and cranny you can find hilarious shit.in every game.
Critisizing isnt something bad whats bad is hypeing and the complete opposite let's call it bashing which is done here.
The game still could turn out bad but it also could turn out good.
Whats clear to me is that everyone in here will still play it and mostly finish it. Some not all ppl just look for an excuse to pirate it but mşght be a while if it has the D )
P.s.: you go on about what should be seen as bad or good anşmations in a AAA game and say that casius cant just decide that while the ones bashing the game are doing the same. Lol?
What the fuck are you even talking about? I never said just because it was a beloved franchise people ignored its flaws. I said people gave it some slack because there wasn't a poor track record so it wasn't criticized as heavily.
Also the last 3 games in 7 years is refereed to ME3, DAI and TOR. Not all of ME. So why are you bringing up ME1&2, and DA2? And I never claimed these games were objectively bad, it was my opinion, and not a unique one either.
And what is this about Bioware never been good at facial animations? What you're telling me because they've never been good at it, therefore they can't be criticized for it? Because I shouldn't expect any good from it, I shouldn't criticize it? Obsidian releases buggy unfinished game after game and I've tear them apart for it every time until they got their shit right. So on the contrary, failing to improve their standards game after game is even more evident of their incompetence than anything. That warrants further criticism, not giving them a pass.
30mins of footage? Clearly you haven't watched all the footage out there. I have, and I can tell you it's more than 30mins. And if you actually believe because this game might be 50+ hours long, then surely 30mins of tripe is just an anomaly, then that's quite the mental gymnastics you're performing there. All I've said is the game looks like shit based on what I've seen so far, never have I asserted that the whole game would be shit. Rather I've said the signs aren't good at all because these signs are similar to what ME3 was before launch. Look how that turned out.
Wtf are you even talking about hypeing? I've done no hypeing for this game at all.
What my post was me accusing Casus for pulling the "objectivity" card when he ironically claims MEA's facial animations are average for AAA games. On the contrary I've never said my opinion of the game is objective. Because that's ludicrous.
Lastly. You seem to believe if I'm criticizing the game, and still play the game is somehow a problem? Can you not tell the difference between the signs are bad vs. the game is bad? Or this game looks bad vs. this game is bad? Is that concept too difficult for you to grasp? Because I'm struggling to understand just what the hell is the point of your post?
Radicalus nailed the issue, IMO: Bioware gets the hate because they used to be one of the greats, and now they ain't. It's always frustrating to see a beloved studio burned out and tarnished with mediocrity. Every time they announce a new game, a small part of you wants it to be something spectacular, and every single time it turns out it just isn't.
Andromeda may be a good game, but there are some serious signs it's gonna have its share of problems. Faces are the least of my concerns (though I agree some of them look weird), but that companion quest video looked really *yawn*, booo-h-*yawn*-ring. Puzzles that solve themselves, uninspired quest structure consisting of repeating the same shit several times, irritating companion who talks too much... it's like it's trailing Inquisition's worst mistakes. And that's what they want to show us just before launch? Really? Why, it just begs the question and I'm worried we're not gonna like the answer.
And then there is the launch trailer, which probably couldn't look and sound any more generic.
If you want to see horrible facial animations, look at DE:HR and tell me how much that was bitched about.
That's right, it was minimal. That's because the sheep brigade wasn't out to get it.
The facial animations in Andromeda are average for an AAA game. Not good but definitely not terrible.
It's simply a matter of some people being capable of objectivity and some sheep who can't get past their urge to lash out at Bioware.
Not the end of the world, though.
DE:HR didn't get as much hate because it was a long awaited revival of a beloved game or games depending on ones opinion. And in case you forgot, had it not been the "leak" many here were VERY worried partly because the game looked pretty cheap graphically. But thanks to the "leak", those played it know the game was pretty good where it matters. People were aware graphically it was shit.
Bioware on the other hand have been shit for 3 games straight. No one's gonna cut them any slack for the garbage they've been putting out for the last 7 years.
Also you don't get to talk about objectivity when you believe you could rate whether facial animations are average or not. Who the fuck gets to call what's even the median here when it comes to facial animations? What is even the fucking average for AAA games? Define what's average, then proof MEA's facial animations are average. I'm dying to see you explain this shit. Because in case this wasn't obvious, it's a trap. But you wouldn't have known because you have no idea what objectivity even means.
I can't talk about objectivity because I have an opinion that differs from yours, but you can? That's certainly an interesting opinion
Yes, I know the attacks on Bioware are based on people being upset with them. That's kinda my whole point.
DE:HR had the worst facial animations I've seen in a modern AAA game. But guess what, that's not a problem because Bioware didn't make it.
We're talking preconceived and incredibly skewed criticism based on limited information.
Again, we've seen MUCH worse than this, but it's Bioware so let's go overkill.
Bioware haven't been themselves since BEFORE Mass Effect 1 - and that game was already massively streamlined from the superior KotOR, which was also partially modernised and a damned console game.
For how many decades do we need to be butthurt about this?
Can't we just look at games as what they are or might be, and not as who made them that we think owe us something?
The armour is no surprise, it has been that way since ME2. You can pretty much guarantee that there will be appearance DLC.
The guns thing is odd though. If he means the specific type, like assault rifle, shotgun, etc., then that is again the same as since ME2. If he does actually mean you can't change them at all, that is fucking stupid.
I dont care about that. Managing their inventory was pain in the ass anyway
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The amount of "diversity" present is giving me cancer. Everyone outside of this forum is so concerned with sexual choices or character creator options and absolutely ignore everything else. Just like my copatriot said. Biowere are playing it so safe and the game is so focus tested...it's cancer.
Will probably still buy it because Mass Effect...after some reviews, but damn. Sleeping with blue women or not does a great game make.
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The game might be a copy of DAI in space (which it probably is) but no one's gonna bat an eye because you can fuck everyone while playing as anyone. That's not what Mass Effect is about. At least not for me.
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For me i wonder why the bar is set so fucking low and why gamers including users here are okay with that from AAA titles. EA, Acti / the big publishers and studio's within are making more money than they ever have with DLC, always online, season passes and all the other bullshit they do. They also get away with zero PC optimization or additional work.. i.e whats the point of GTX 1080's when they don't even bother with higher quality assets, textures, customization options etc. This makes life so much easier and cheaper for them to do at your expense. This and they are still milking the IP / idea's of studios 10, sometimes 20 years old + innovating poorly based on market research rather than finding what actually made those titles compelling.
I just think its a shame that from what I've seen this title is struggling to match its predecessors, when it should be unquestionably blowing us the fuck away improving upon what made ppl like the series in the first place.
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@ClaudeFTW How is it a selling point here? Someone asked on Twitter and another responded.
And "mainstreaming" was not a selling point in ME2? What joint are you on, I want to join in. Leading up to the game, people were calling it Gears Effect 2, and it was just that, a cover pew pew pew. All the "arr pee gee" elements of the first were removed (not it had any real RPG elements).
This one at least looks a lot more interesting in that regard. Cover pop shots are not longer encouraged.
For me i wonder why the bar is set so fucking low and why gamers including users here are okay with that from AAA titles. EA, Acti / the big publishers and studio's within are making more money than they ever have with DLC, always online, season passes and all the other bullshit they do. They also get away with zero PC optimization or additional work.. i.e whats the point of GTX 1080's when they don't even bother with higher quality assets, textures, customization options etc. This makes life so much easier and cheaper for them to do at your expense. This and they are still milking the IP / idea's of studios 10, sometimes 20 years old + innovating poorly based on market research rather than finding what actually made those titles compelling.
I just think its a shame that from what I've seen this title is struggling to match its predecessors, when it should be unquestionably blowing us the fuck away improving upon what made ppl like the series in the first place.
That's modern gaming for you.
Big companies rarely give a shit anymore about optimizing their game. Or even making the gameplay somewhat logical - just look at the image with the inverted pistol holding.
Sadly it seems more and more tards are appearing, that are more than willing to throw money at every hyped up shit game.
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Tbh mass effect 1,2 were solid mass effect 3 was shit because of it's wnding which they tried to fix a month or two later with the additional content.
Besides that dragon age origins was great, 2 was shit but inquisition was average though not bad imo.
While bashing all those gmes im pretty sure you still played through all of them.
To get back to andromeda: if we take da and me games into conisderation bioware was never good with facial modelling and animations hell even bethesda with the ekder scrolls series had some ugly stuff out there.
Besides that 30mins gameplay fotage shouldnt be taken as a representation of a potentially 50 hours + game.
Nitpicking ever nook and cranny you can find hilarious shit.in every game.
Critisizing isnt something bad whats bad is hypeing and the complete opposite let's call it bashing which is done here.
The game still could turn out bad but it also could turn out good.
Whats clear to me is that everyone in here will still play it and mostly finish it. Some not all ppl just look for an excuse to pirate it but mşght be a while if it has the D )
P.s.: you go on about what should be seen as bad or good anşmations in a AAA game and say that casius cant just decide that while the ones bashing the game are doing the same. Lol?
Mass Effect 1 was made pre EA, Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Origin came shortly after they joined EA and had been already in production and all that. Everything that came after that was mediocre at best, Mass Effect 3 was terrible even without the garbage ending (ending that wasn't fixed, since you can't fix garbage by just spraying some perfume on it), the whole main plot of Mass Effect 3 was a joke, it was an insult to the whole franchise, it was poorly written and badly implemented, yes it had some memorable scenes and cool moments, some of the original characters were still good, but its core was rotten.
DA:I was mediocre at best, I loved the main story because it was an over the top, cheese, cliched ball of fun and I adored it for it, but everything else about it, 80% of the actual game was shit.
So yeah, pretty much everything Bioware has done after being asimilated by EA has been mediocre at best and if you can't see the fucking pattern of repeated failure then you're either blind or refusing to acknowledge the obvious. This isn't something that has happened to just bioware btw, this has precedence with other good studious slowly rotting away in the giant fucking beast that is EA.
So what if biowhore was never good at facial animations ? they were good at other aspects of the game, but since they fucking joined EA they've regressed in those and didn't gain in anything, they have much larger budgets so how the fuck is the facial animation this bad ? You mention Elder Scrolls, but fail to realise that its a completely different type of game, ME has always been focused on conversations and story, very heavy on the dialogue, while ES is just pick a direction and see what you can find sandbox adventure, one depends a lot more and should focus a lot more on facial animations then the other.
Whats this stupid argumentation you're making here of not being able to tell off a 30 min clip that the animation is shit ? this isn't story, or dialogue we are talking about, its fucking animation, its either good or bad and you can tell from a 30 min. clip since its unlikely to be much different the rest of the game as its a clear limitation of their staff/engine/budget/whatever.
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