Holy shit. You guys are whining about DoW2 like the campaign mode was the core of the whole game and other modes were just some small extras that barely anyone ever touched.
OF COURSE it was repetitive - cause you play it once and then go play the multiplayer mode. Just like in Starcraft 2 or... dunno, Battlefield 4
Good they are going back to the original Dawn of war, I hated the second part it was just Company of Heroes clone.
+1, dow2 was repetative rubbish.
DoW 1 wasn't? You think the repetitiveness was a result of the game being RTT? That's related to the mission's design. Look at Chaos Rising which still has the squad based gameplay, yet the campaign is amazing.
Well I replayed dow campains many times, dow 2 was always the same linear shit.
And I played through DoW2 campaigns multiple times. You can't come and talk about linearity when strategy campaigns are usually. At leasst DoW2 had loot, coop, secondary missions, etc.
My concerns are anyway focused on the multiplayer, DoW2 had such a superior multiplayer.
I loved both games. First one was more of an RTS game and as someone who enjoys that I liked it very much. Second game was much, much closer to its tabletop roots and I loved it for that too. I don't know which one I'd have chosen if I had to, to be perfectly honest. Third game actually looks okay to me too, although some things are a bit sad (like cutting out sync kills and not including Chaos in the base game). Still, battles do look quite nice in the end. I definitely want to play it, it's been ages since a good WH40k came out...
As much as I've enjoyed DOW1, I don't get this whole idea of going back to it. That's a step down, not up. DOW1 was great because it had all the major factions, each with their own twists, there's plenty of unit variety and battles are larger than 2, also base building which I do enjoy. But to me that's about it.
DOW2 took the innovations in RTS they made in CoH and made a 40k game out of it. Each unit feels alive in that game, battles are exciting to watch because the graphics and art style are gritty and realistic. Different wargear upgrades to further add value to each squad, and each unit feels important because unit retention is a big deal in the game. Not to mention they all move together as a unit organically, and not as robots. This aspect is dialed down from CoH, but it is still there.
DOW3 looks like Starcraft 2 to me. The only difference is that it is a 40k game, and units are build in squads, except they don't act any differently. The art style is a mess. They talk about the change to make it look this way to make it easier to tell what is going on in big battles. Only to add bullshit lens dirt and what not. They've taken out all the Relic staple mechanics out of their game and add in what exactly? What does DOW3 have that 2 didn't to compensate for all that is now gone? They replaced realistic cover system with xeno shields that everyone knows how to operate. They added in tall grass as if 40k armies all don't have detection of some kind on the most basic level (Space Marines helmets, Eldar inherent psychic powers). They took out squad upgrades. No wargear. No organic movement, everyone moves in perfect unison. Yet to see building garrison. No destructible doodads. No different call downs, just the doom weapon. No different commanders. Eldar units all have individual void shields? No sync kills. One thing I can give them credit for is adding in longer range units like the SP artillery Orks get. DoW2 combat was very short range considering the setting.
Yeah, so what's good about going back to DOW1 style? Are we getting more factions than 2? No. They even went down 1, only 3 factions at launch. So all that we've lost we got bigger pop cap. Something we already can mod into the game. We get base building, cool, that's a positive. What about the campaign? No boss fights, no loot, no hero customization and leveling seen so far.
Maybe I'm being too negative. But I'm struggling to see what they've improved and added to justify all that they've taken out. This is one step forward, several steps back.
I want to see a Relic RTS/ RTT whatever you want to cal it, I want that. I don't want yet another SC2, CnC RTS when we already got those last year.
Still play Soulstorm: Extended.. alot of good mods for it made it last.. The one with the Titans is cool.
So sad to see them aim for the e-sport again, something like 98% of all buyers of starcraft haven't played a multiplayer game, it's good for adverts, but it is not your major source of income...
Doesn't look that bad. Atleast it's better than all that tablet shit they put.
I was about to say the same thing. But this is staged so nothing really changes except that it did made me browse through all the current screenshots and I've seen some environments that don't look like being a war altered zone of Candy Land.
Thank you for the link, going to sign up for it now
Edit: Never seen them ask for a phone number in one of these before.
Official statement anywhere? Nothing on their twitter afaik
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Coming all of a sudden, the wild DoW 3 multiplayer beta has appeared! For those who have signed up for their newsletter, you would have gotten an e-mail giving you details on how to sign up for the beta.
as a matter of fact, my friend got into it.
he plays with his brother at the same pc (they have only 1 pc, so they do turns on it) and they have almost the same liking on games: both of them are bit of fanatics on CoH and DoW games, so i value highly their opinion.
they played few hours today and they felt the game quite... shallow.
without suppression, retreat and the covers almost reduced to barebone, the game feels more like a classic starcraft with ammassing units and send them to kill the enemy, while using the few abilities they have.
they are quite puzzled if the game will be good: i will keep you posted on their views.
as a matter of fact, my friend got into it.
he plays with his brother at the same pc (they have only 1 pc, so they do turns on it) and they have almost the same liking on games: both of them are bit of fanatics on CoH and DoW games, so i value highly their opinion.
they played few hours today and they felt the game quite... shallow.
without suppression, retreat and the covers almost reduced to barebone, the game feels more like a classic starcraft with ammassing units and send them to kill the enemy, while using the few abilities they have.
they are quite puzzled if the game will be good: i will keep you posted on their views.
Well a bit disappointing if they remove those mechanics but it is a tried and tested formula that works. I just hope they leave some missions/maps more open ended as all the SC2 maps feel like a tutorial introducing one unit at a time until the campaign is finished.
as a matter of fact, my friend got into it.
he plays with his brother at the same pc (they have only 1 pc, so they do turns on it) and they have almost the same liking on games: both of them are bit of fanatics on CoH and DoW games, so i value highly their opinion.
they played few hours today and they felt the game quite... shallow.
without suppression, retreat and the covers almost reduced to barebone, the game feels more like a classic starcraft with ammassing units and send them to kill the enemy, while using the few abilities they have.
they are quite puzzled if the game will be good: i will keep you posted on their views.
Are they from Portugal?
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Meanwhile the people of that generation will call those guys relics, and not move with the times when everything is auto fucking.
Compared to 1 or (maybe) even 2, 3 looks more mindless brain-dead r*tard console RTS gameplay. Just serving it up to the masses with low complexities involved and less grimdark BUT OH GAWD LOOK... PRETTY COLOURS!!!.
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I'm still in denial. I cannot believe that they have managed to fuck up a Dawn of War game with two good games to draw and refine from + tons of feedback from fans.
I want to try it out myself, but this doesn't seem too promising to put it lightly.
Look at DOW2 and now look at this, you can already tell the difference from the little details and why DOW2 is better than this. Look at the map. WHERE ARE THE DOODADS? They took out cover and garrison, so because of that they have no reason to put down details in their maps. Starcraft 2 is full on ESPORTS and even they have plenty of doodads on their maps.
What this reminds me of is Shootmania, a game so laser focus on competitive mechanics that they forgot games need to be fun and immersive as well, thereby deprive the game from any kind of intricacy and aesthetics.
This is the RTS equivalent with 40K as the setting. They design the maps so the largest armies can walk through any pathway without blocking one another. Sounds like a good thing, except it's not. Because terrain is apparently not important in warfare, no, it's the artificial, contrived power generators, shield generators, League of Legends tall grass, and exhaust vents that defines the tactics of each maps.
This isn't a Relic RTS at all with the exception of capturing points.
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and remember that sync-kills are not in the game... the one of the most cool badass looking thing of dow... but hey, we get a terminator doing somersault jumps.
Thanks for the feedback Guyver, that does sound ominous indeed..why can't we have nice things goddamnit.
Losing the unique and methodic atmosphere/mechanics in favour of something akin to a clicky-clicky moba-like derpSport game would be a shame indeed, but alas, also somewhat foreseeable and 'understandable' since that's where the spotlight and big bucks are. Made for the fans...of other games!
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