WIN OS minimum for gaming?
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zellar




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PostPosted: Sat, 31st Dec 2016 17:59    Post subject: WIN OS minimum for gaming?
Is there a minimum WIN OS that has been created just for gaming? One that is an iso or image that can be installed without all the other crap?

An OS some gamer created without all the other stuff? It seems I saw something like that a few years ago with the win xp or win 7. It installed only the files needed for gaming.


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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Sat, 31st Dec 2016 18:02    Post subject:
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3E74




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PostPosted: Sat, 31st Dec 2016 19:10    Post subject:
there is no such thing as an gamer windows.

i think u are refering to the nlite imgaes some people did and claimed it would run way better..

well, sorry to burst your bubble but that aint happening..

just do it yourself.
load an win 7 or win 10 image...
install it, debloat it, deaktivate services and tweak it a bit.. thats all you can do for now, or whait till win 10 presents his gamemode function.. that might be something your looking for..

the guys that make these nlite images do the same thing. just customizing the win image..

anyway, back in the XP days you could make hardware profiles. this was really nice back then, and something that could be used for what u wanted..

but these days are past Sad

hope that clears it up a bit Wink

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zellar




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PostPosted: Sat, 31st Dec 2016 19:18    Post subject:
Thank you for the info...but I had no bubble to burst (haha) Just thought after all these win os upgrades maybe someone put together an install image or iso. Thanks again!! Happy New Year!!


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Jan 2017 02:53    Post subject:
Just use a program like Autoruns and stop useless shit from running at startup and as services. And don't use a realtime antivirus, just scan stuff you download before running them. And do periodic computer scans.

And install Windows on an SSD of at least 200gb size.

EDIT: And don't disable internal windows stuff, that is not what I meant. I am talking about 3rd party software.
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Jan 2017 15:58    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
Just use a program like Autoruns and stop useless shit from running at startup and as services. And don't use a realtime antivirus, just scan stuff you download before running them. And do periodic computer scans.

And install Windows on an SSD of at least 200gb size.

EDIT: And don't disable internal windows stuff, that is not what I meant. I am talking about 3rd party software.


Has anyone actually put a thorough thought out list of services not needed on 10 though? There are so many new bullshit named services it kind of puts one off turning them well, er off. Laughing
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3E74




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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Jan 2017 23:51    Post subject:
here you go.. he has a good list and explains each service..

www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/

theres also one for win 7, etc...


greetz

NEW LINK:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160904054734/http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 00:09    Post subject:
Blackviper... are they.. down? Sad Did MS finally get to them after all these years?


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3E74




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 00:14    Post subject:
Confused
godd damn, didnt know its down..sorry..
well, u can allways use teh way back archive...


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 00:30    Post subject:
In 2017, people are still disabling services?

Spoiler alert: it won't help you gain more than 0.05 fps.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 00:32    Post subject:
Don't forget to disable Aero, I hear it takes 4MB from your ramz. Facepalm
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3E74




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 00:47    Post subject:
go where u came from Razz Laughing

for people, who DONT have 8 or 16gb ramz and not the high end hardware, it does help..

But indeed, for normal users with lets say, PC´s not older then 4 years or so, yes, you are right, it wont really change..

But for people like me and some other poor bastards, it does help Smile



edit:

but to be honest, there are services some users DONT want running, so its allways a good idea to get to know them and know what they do..im the kind of person who likes control over the PC, so i do indeed disable services i dont need.. like error reporting, search indexer (using something else), automatic update system -> OFF, etc etc.. you know the drill...


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freiwald




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 00:48    Post subject:
who said it gives you a frame boost? but why should there run useless shit in the background which you never use anyway or which sends more data then needed to ms.

59 services disabled here and no problems at all
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 00:51    Post subject:
freiwald wrote:
who said it gives you a frame boost? but why should there run useless shit in the background which you never use anyway or which sends more data then needed to ms.

59 services disabled here and no problems at all


+1



edit: never counted them, but i have 62 services disabled.. and never had an issue..and i do test a lot of software...

win 7 btw..

edit2:

heres the link from blackviper.com (internet archive)
last snapshot was from Okt. 16th. 2016.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161016084836/http://www.blackviper.com/


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 01:35    Post subject:
Keep the fax service as it's super important....


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 09:38    Post subject:
I'd just go with default Windows 10 1607 (14393.576 / 577) and then slowly tweak the OS from there but eh there's nothing "wrong" with using Windows 7 or 8.1 either if you want though there's some enhancements in Win10 that can be useful although setting it up properly will require at least the Pro edition and some knowledge about GPEdit or Regedit far as I'm concerned if you really want to reign it in. (Or a third party tool but unless they have some good logging functionality or at least a decent backup mechanic I wouldn't use them over doing the same manually but that's just me being difficult. Razz )

Oh and windowed or borderless mode can benefit from Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 (Actually and Windows 10 due to improvements.) via features such as swap-chains, flip mode (And for Win10 flip discard.) which will help with latency whereas Windows 7 lacks all of those, I wouldn't be too focused on DX12 / WDDM 2.1 yet though it's more of a extras really.
(At least until DirectX 12 sees a wider implementation but that kinda requires Win10 to actually become popular and well the upcoming RS2/Creator update isn't going to help there far as I've checked via insider builds even if it has some improvements.)

Services and such? Eh I wouldn't bother, Windows 7+ allocates memory but can free it up as needed and there's little to gain from disabling or uninstalling OS features, don't remove the media player by the way since MS stuck a bunch of critical codecs in that which some games won't work at all without. (Same with Internet Explorer 11 for whatever reason.)


EDIT: And as far as Win10 feedback and telemetry this helps:
https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/manage/manage-connections-from-windows-operating-system-components-to-microsoft-services

As does some other guides if you want more details on GPEdit or Regedit functionality for dialing back some of this stuff.
(Short of using Enterprise though you can only dial it back, never fully disable it though Enterprise doesn't have to be bad and there's also that minimal Win10 LTSB or what it was version but that might be a bit too trimmed down for some.)
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freiwald




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 13:07    Post subject:
Ltsb is only too trimmed down for people who want to use the Windows store or Apps. (also bypassed Windows store games like forza etc)

Other then that nothing is missing, you get more options for privacy and there isnt so much crap running in the background.
Overall you will get a slightly updated Windows 7 Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 13:43    Post subject:
I need to check what exactly has been stripped out it seems. Smile

Also I wish they'd stick the VC++ runtimes and DX redist components into the OS directly already but that would apparently be anti competitive (Even if much of the current Windows software actually need these.) and that already bit MS in the ass with the whole "N" edition here in the EU.
(Or the other one with both the media player and the browser removed by default.)


EDIT: Ah it's a long-term branch basically. (Well it's in it's "LTSB" name already I guess.)
http://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/

Also it's Enterprise only and that means full control over your own OS plus current activators shouldn't have any problems with Enterprise either. (Might be easier even?)

But you can only upgrade from Enterprise to Enterprise should they release a newer OS though doing a clean install is usually always a option while keeping stuff in those ".old" folders if needed.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 16:47    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
In 2017, people are still disabling services?

Spoiler alert: it won't help you gain more than 0.05 fps.


Not looking for fps increases that seems a bit er dumb thinking services turned off will do that, but anyhow I was curious as I don't use ssd's right now and windows 10 tends to fuck around scanning all services that start up etc etc yada yada so less to start means less whirring for me Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2017 16:55    Post subject:
Yeah insider builds in particular with Windows 10 have this thing where it runs I forgot it's name but compatibility telemetry monitoring.
(EDIT: Compattelrunner.exe)

For every program you install, update or uninstall.
(Basically scanning the new files and logging data about it.)
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Jan 2017 03:57    Post subject:
I've decided. I'm getting spied on.
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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Jan 2017 08:46    Post subject:
There is always "tiny XP" maybe there is a similar version of Windows 10


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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Mar 2017 11:46    Post subject:
So an update, Linus did something like this with windows 10 and tested it on some games.



TL;DW

No real difference


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Ampee




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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Mar 2017 12:32    Post subject:
Yeah, as expected. When You are low on fps, or the current fps bothers you, its rarely a software (os, driver) problem.
Its either modifiyng settings so that the system can compute frames more quickly or buying new hardware.

Fresh windows install/different windows versions are all placebos. It might make +-1,2 fps difference, but its not the 1-2 fps that bothers you.
There are a few exceptions of course.
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