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Not sure if i will update, i'm on 4.01 and have 2 games with all DLC/Patchs so i don't need online for now.
BTW it's possible to stay online but not updating to 4.05, but then i can only update my games and can't go into PSN store without latest update, right?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Oct 2016 17:52 Post subject: |
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correct, just pause the updatedownload and you are fine. but you cant login to the psn. game updates will download and install just fine
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Oct 2016 18:12 Post subject: |
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Thanks mate.
So for now i can do fine without online but when i'm done with Fallout 4 and Dying Light i won't be able to buy games/DLC. For the next 2-3 months i guess i can hold off.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Oct 2016 19:21 Post subject: |
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Really can't see anything materializing. But then again, I hope I am wrong.
Feels like the Wii U scene over a year ago with that troll idiot who kept the tempgba douchebags going for like a whole year.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2016 15:08 Post subject: |
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What does this actually mean for us, Mr Q?
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2016 15:28 Post subject: |
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From what I understand it's only part of the ROP tools.. not the full exploit yet..
We will have to wait and see what more(if) will be released..
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2016 15:48 Post subject: |
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Such trolls. The whole scene. In fact all scenes these days.
I miss the good old days where they weren't all attention whores.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2016 07:37 Post subject: |
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Why would scene group make a noise about it.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 07:37 Post subject: |
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Yea I posted it earlier but decided to delete it... I don't want to create hype for something that's not fully confirmed yet...
Of course,I am fully hoping from my heart it's true...
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 09:51 Post subject: |
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Seems like 5th Nov they are releasing some downgrader
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 10:25 Post subject: |
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Nice! (but not that helpful unless it's possible to run backups on earlier versions of the FW). And you cannot run the latest games on the super old FW because the newer FWs contain essential code, right?
If it's real it's a hardware downgrade which doesn't work on 4.05 FYI.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 11:35 Post subject: |
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lol.
so the FW revisions don't introduce new CPU/GPU functions etc that newer games take advantage of?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 14:08 Post subject: |
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Yeah sometimes FW do introduce new functions..
Have in mind that most, if not all, PS3 games still work on 3.55 (with a few tweaks).
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 14:45 Post subject: |
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| cyclonefr wrote: | | It doesn't really contain essential code, just new set of keys. |
if that is the case - is it possible to inject the new keys into an older fw that you would downgrade to and allow newer games to run?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 15:02 Post subject: |
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Of course but at this point, just like we did on PS3, it's much easier to decrypt game executables from the PC directly and reencrypt with old keys...
Or sign them as debug self (fake self) like we are doing in Vita.
But have in mind that getting these keys is quite complicated and usually if one can't have an exploit on the latest firmware than one cannot have those keys... kinda what happened with PS3 : as soon as we managed to get keys, we could pwn new firmware anyway...
Rendering the whole key thing useless...
On vita WE don't have them, we just decrypt game from vita memory (the console itself).
That works but obviously if you can do it on latest firmware then it means you can already run unsigned code in the first place and thus no need to stay on an older firmware...
So yeah it's gonna be a long long while until we can have proper piracy on PS4.
At this point for people that never bought a PS4 there are many <4.0 games.... could be interesting... but 1.76 ? Come on, who cares about old shit ?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 15:08 Post subject: |
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ps3 games were always ripped on the console itself werent they? i dont see a problem if they have a similar method for ps4 too
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 15:45 Post subject: |
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Problem isn't about dumping the games.
Like on PS3 yes you need to dump them from the console because the disc themselves are encrypted in both consoles (PS4 in a big package mounted as PFS).
This key is the same for all firmware.
Problem is the eboot.bin (game executables) which is encrypted with different keys per firmware version.
Good luck on decrypting post 1.76 ones 
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 19:44 Post subject: |
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"all" they need is a complete broken up firmware, once someone achieves that (most chances were and are still on 1.76 to achieve that) everything is possible even for a up2date firmware. i still think some people managed to do that and developed stuff to enable homebrew and gameloaders. just waited after the announcement of the ps4 pro for it to ship and to check if their stuff still works on the newest fw for it. its simple as that, if someone would have published something which leads to a complete cfw of current versions (speaking of 3.55 and 4.05) sony would have had enough time to fix that and close the door. if im right we will get the usual cat and mouse game with plus points for the crackers (cause of the possibility of spoofing fw versions etc)
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 20:17 Post subject: |
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My question is what exactly was done during the PS3 CFW point which took us out of the 3.55 dormancy stage?
I mean I remember talks about how they obtained the "private keys" and then everything was pretty much fucked for Sony. The CFW folks never had to worry about anymore firmwares blocking anything from thereon. Fuck, that is something we need with the PS4 too.
So what's the equivalent of that on the PS4?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2016 21:14 Post subject: |
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nobody knows for ps4 here yet, we dont even have the initial first required thing yet. and thats a cfw
about the ps3 stuff, honestly i dont know anymore. my ps3 died several times and when i resurrected it the last time 3.55 cfw was still enough for everything
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Nov 2016 01:30 Post subject: |
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| Shawn_Hunter wrote: | My question is what exactly was done during the PS3 CFW point which took us out of the 3.55 dormancy stage?
I mean I remember talks about how they obtained the "private keys" and then everything was pretty much fucked for Sony. The CFW folks never had to worry about anymore firmwares blocking anything from thereon. Fuck, that is something we need with the PS4 too.
So what's the equivalent of that on the PS4? |
Geohot out of nowhere published on his blog public keys for most loaders, including metldr which was the highest in the chain of trust after bootldr, where both cannot be updated by firmware updates.
This allowed us to decrypt every file from firmware updates, and find keys in it. Early on, Sony barely hid them and they were almost in plain text after appldr was decrypted.
Then, because nobody published lv0 public keys (some loader that is used on PS3 for some reason I don't remember what for), Sony had the idea on 3.60 to skip metldr altogether on the chain of trust, and rather embed a new secure metldr (metldr2, that uses new public keys that never leaked) in lv0 itself, since lv0 could be updated by firmware update.
That allowed Sony to re secure their console and prevent us from decrypted any 3.60+ material.
Then JuanNadie managed, from 3.55 obviously, to understand how bootldr decrypts lv0 when booting a PS3, and managed somehow to dump a bootldr and get lv0 public keys (they are in clear text in bootldr obviously).
This was when Sony stopped changing keys because all their loaders got compromised from the chain of trust.
I don't have in mind the PS4 chain of trust, but technically if the chain of trust is compromised from the highest loader, it will be owned forever.
Same shit happened with the 3DS lately, rendering new firmware updates useless because you can look in them in "clear text".
So far, it's not the case on PS4, nor it is on 1.76.
But as said above, obviously 1.76 would be easier to hack the PS4.
But have in mind that it's not that easy to dump the chain of trust of a console : see for example, the Vita is still secured because nobody managed to pwn the whole chain of trust (yet?)....
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