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 Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 11:31 Post subject: |
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Well the Anniversary Update went well no problems at all! I didn't unplug my game HD's and all is well!
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 11:40 Post subject: |
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What's this unplug other drives bullshit? For a windows update? What? 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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thudo
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 16:00 Post subject: |
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Yeah not getting that... generally since the boot happens on C drive that's where the upgrade occurs since the current Windows instance is there BUT most times a "shadow partition" is created on the same drive for EFI System and Recovery stuff as you will see in Disk Manager. I can't imagine this screwing up, say, a 2nd drive (ie. 1GB D: drive) causing that to be impacted. 
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 22:29 Post subject: |
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in before the people who say AAH BAH ITS 10s FAULT.
NO ITS FUCKING NOT! this happens since xp and isnt limited to upgrades from for example 7 to 10 or 7 to 8 or whatever upgrade installations works like xp to 7 or vista or what fucking ever and happens on clean installs too, but never happened to me or any pc i had in my hands with inplace upgrades from one 10 version to a newer one (i.e. 10240 to 1511 to 1607)
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NFOAC
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 03:55 Post subject: |
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How much cheap can someone get this? Someone is selling for $8 professional edition
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 07:31 Post subject: |
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I don't know if this is connected but ive had 2 external hard drives have problems within less than 2 weeks after latest win10 update. I didn't uplug before updating.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 11:46 Post subject: |
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| NFOAC wrote: | | How much cheap can someone get this? Someone is selling for $8 professional edition |
there are no cheap versions, normal price for prof is around 130. everything below that is illegal and tbh it doesnt matter if you pay for illegal keys which will get banned sooner or later or if you use a kms toolkit to activate it
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 11:55 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | everything below that is illegal |
No, it isn't. You can buy an OEM version just fine. Microsoft's agreement technically doesn't allow it because it has a line in there that says you're supposed to sell the PC in question to a third party. But when you ask MS themselves, they say it's perfectly legal for a hobbyist to use an OEM version.
Difference between OEM and Retail? OEM doesn't allow upgrades. Technically speaking, you're also not allowed to transfer it to a new PC when you replace yours, but that works fine.
Price difference? €28.50 for Pro (!) OEM, €110 for Home Retail and €220 for Pro Retail (I'm not sure where you're getting the €130 from; I don't see it below €220 here :S). |
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NFOAC
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 12:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 12:12 Post subject: |
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there are no oem versions which can be sold legally cause all oem versions are keys integrated into SLIC tables in the bios/uefi. selling windows without coa (which obviously isnt there) is illegal
in that case save the 30 bucks and buy beer and use activate it in another way, its same level of illegal. though buying and using a 30 euro key is "more illegal" cause with that cheap price anyone can guess thats stolen goods
other cheap non volume license version keys are from msdn,dreamspark,technet whatever and its strictly prohibited to sell them.
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JBeckman
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 13:04 Post subject: |
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Did a quick check, seems MS has driven up the price of it at least here, Amazon and a few other places do have it for far (far) less but here the OEM edition seems to range around 150 to 170 dollar and the retail is around 200 - 250 dollar.
(I didn't buy the Win8 key for anywhere near that high.)
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 14:16 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | there are no oem versions which can be sold legally cause all oem versions are keys integrated into SLIC tables in the bios/uefi |
Where the fuck are you getting this bullshit from Janz? I've purchased and used 7 OEM keys in the last 2 years, they all work just like any retail version of Windows when it comes to installing. You don't need to integrate shit with the BIOS. And technically, I even stuck to the license agreement, because the only thing in the agreement that technically would make it illegal is the fact that you have to sell the PC to a third party. I built those PC's for others and made a few euros off of them, so I didn't do anything illegal.
Now, want a magical way to 100% legally circumvent that for your own PC? "Sell" it to someone for €0,01 and "buy" it back for €0,01. \o/
Go and actually read the license agreement. Or phone Microsoft. I've had a pretty lengthy (and funny) conversation with one of their guys about all this; while using an OEM license when you build your own system is 100% legal, it's illegal to keep using a student MSDNAA license after you graduate. Or how you can't use the OPK until you've done a manual installation of the OEM version.
And no, using a toolkit is still more awkward than purchasing this for my 83 year old granddad who gets frazzled if something goes wrong with activation. €30 is a small amount to make sure his PC doesn't start giving him warnings that'll scare him.
| red_avatar wrote: | | Officially, it's not legal since the license states the OEM licenses can only be used by certified system builders |
No, it doesn't. There is no certification.
| OEM License, section 1 wrote: | | f. “System Builder” means an original equipment manufacturer, an assembler, a refurbisher, or a software preinstaller that sells the Customer System(s) to a third party |
That's what the license agreement states. There is nothing about certification or whatever in there, the only legal requirement that most people technically don't fulfill is the fact that they don't sell the system. Well, sell it to your mum and buy it back for a cent, problem solved. |
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 14:19 Post subject: |
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Forza Horizon 3 oriented question:
is there a way to backup/restore a game from the Win Store (the same way Steam works), in order to backup and import games on/from a different pc?
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 14:48 Post subject: |
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@werelds: yes win 7, sure. no problem (though many CoAs on the market were faked as well as the disc sold with them)
BUT NOT WIN8(.1) AND 10!
and ofc you can still use the license integrated of 8 or 10 in your laptop on another device. but you cant sell them cause its not valid without coa (which obviously doenst exist).
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 15:17 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | @werelds: yes win 7, sure. no problem (though many CoAs on the market were faked as well as the disc sold with them)
BUT NOT WIN8(.1) AND 10!
and ofc you can still use the license integrated of 8 or 10 in your laptop on another device. but you cant sell them cause its not valid without coa (which obviously doenst exist). |
I've purchased and installed 3 Windows 10 OEM keys so far, 2 for 8.1 (built those 2 PC's not long before Win10 came out  ). And again, I inquired about the legality with MS, otherwise I wouldn't bother even with the €30. The guy on the other end told me explicitly that it is fine, that line only exists in the LA because their legal department think that's how the world works. He even went as far as saying that they can't tell the difference anyway, they'd have to request a receipt from every OEM installation (they can see it's an OEM key obviously, but they can't tell whether it was actually built and sold by one). You don't need to integrate with BIOS/UEFI in any way, there are no special keys you need to set, the OEM keys work exactly the same as a retail copy.
And it's actually Windows 8 where they explicitly stated that it was okay for personal use (even without resale of the PC). 7 didn't have that clause and they removed it for 8.1 and 10. But that was just a single sentence, the rest of the agreement didn't really change. |
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 15:46 Post subject: |
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| AndreaSpooky wrote: | Forza Horizon 3 oriented question:
is there a way to backup/restore a game from the Win Store (the same way Steam works), in order to backup and import games on/from a different pc? |
"Kinda"
Settings (app) -> System -> Apps & Features |
Click on the software in question, select "Move" and select the new destination.
This tends to not work with UWP software and it will delete the local config data (including saves and such.) from the previous location.
You can't really back up the save data or config data either as it's partially encrypted and moving them breaks said encryption rendering the files useless.
(Config files and log files and such are fine and can even be edited in notepad or whatever, save and profile data is encrypted though and can't be moved easily.)
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 16:44 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | | AndreaSpooky wrote: | Forza Horizon 3 oriented question:
is there a way to backup/restore a game from the Win Store (the same way Steam works), in order to backup and import games on/from a different pc? |
"Kinda"
Settings (app) -> System -> Apps & Features |
Click on the software in question, select "Move" and select the new destination.
This tends to not work with UWP software and it will delete the local config data (including saves and such.) from the previous location.
You can't really back up the save data or config data either as it's partially encrypted and moving them breaks said encryption rendering the files useless.
(Config files and log files and such are fine and can even be edited in notepad or whatever, save and profile data is encrypted though and can't be moved easily.) |
Ok, it follows.
But.
The "Move" feature moves towards a disk.
How can I import the moved game/app from the 2nd pc once the game is backupped on the disk?
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Sep 2016 10:49 Post subject: |
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Men, soon, it seems, they will disallow any sort of tweaking.
Since anniversary, after every win update, search tab stops working. You can't even select it.
All because I deleted a few apps from powershell.
I then have to use the "reinstall all apps" cvar in powershell, and then redelete all the bundled apps I don't use again, and search miraculously starts functioning again.
They want us to stop deleting those apps, I guess. 
And it's working, because after doing this twice, even though it takes 5 min altogether, i'm gonna stop deleting the apps. 
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Sep 2016 11:46 Post subject: |
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You can delete most of the "locked" apps but you can't remove Cortana, Support, Edge or Settings though you can remove the Store itself interestingly enough but forcing a removal of these others breaks OS functionality.
XBox, OneNote, Weather, Calculator, Video/Zune and some others I don't remember the name of can be safely removed, as of RS2 and the previous insider build the OS will even remember which apps you have "opted out" of and won't reinstall those though you do still need to use PowerShell if you want to remove them since they are still locked from normal deletion.
EDIT:
http://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s-built-in-apps-and-how-to-reinstall-them/
That should cover most of them, seems Feedback is also blocked and can't be removed via normal means and the "Connect" app introduced in RS1 isn't covered so I don't know what name that uses but it should be removable.
(EDIT: Connect is not removable via normal means after reading up on it.)
EDIT: Also from what I have read fully disabling UAC not only "breaks" the store apps as per Windows 8 / 8.1 but it seems to also limit Windows Update somewhat where deployment of new builds and such can be delayed.
(People report the same when you fully disable the telemetry and feedback stuff via group policy editing which otherwise can't be done but I don't know if that's true or not though I do know some policies were edited to only work in Enterprise and Server editions of Win10 as of RS1 including the one for telemetry feedback.)
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