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prudislav
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 Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2016 23:41 Post subject: Sony's boss : PS4 Pro is going after PC audience |
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| Quote: | House, however, pointed to the PlayStation 4’s market dominance and denied that Pro was in any way a response to Microsoft’s Project Scorpio project. “When Playstation 4 Pro was being conceived there wasn’t a word about Project Scorpio in the marketplace. I would suggest that ‘reactive’ isn’t our approach this time around,” he said.
Regarding the PlayStation 4 Pro, he suggested the Xbox wasn’t even being considered its main competition. Rather, it was the PC. “I saw some data that really influenced me,” he said. “It suggested that there’s a dip mid-console lifecycle where the players who want the very best graphical experience will start to migrate to PC, because that’s obviously where it’s to be had. We wanted to keep those people within our eco-system by giving them the very best and very highest [performance quality]. So the net result of those thoughts was PlayStation 4 Pro – and, by and large, a graphical approach to game improvement.” |
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/playstation-boss-andrew-house-ps4-pro-our-approach-isnt-reactive-this-time-around
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Guyver
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2016 23:49 Post subject: |
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yeah, lets get competitive against PC but at the same time, let's negate bethesda to do mod support on fallout and skyrim. 
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2016 23:54 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 00:10 Post subject: |
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They're not going after the PC audience, they are trying to prevent their players from becoming a PC audience.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 01:00 Post subject: |
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Go home Sony, you are drunk. This isn't 2005.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 01:10 Post subject: Re: Sony's boss : PS4 Pro is going after PC audience |
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| Quote: | | where the players who want the very best graphical experience will start to migrate to PC |
lol. hah.
hHAHAHA
oh lord, the fantasy world this guy lives in... my gosh..
anyone who wants the very best graphical experience is already gaming on pc you twit, lol |
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thudo
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 01:17 Post subject: |
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Can it play the utterly massive PC list of games, some of which are faarrr too smart for any phone, tablet, or console?
[hears crickets]
[iTards go back into cave reprising role as dumbed-down zombies]
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 02:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 02:36 Post subject: |
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So future PS4 games will benefit from the improved hardware, and some older games, but only some.
I'm sure every developer is absolutely dying to spend resources on older games instead of focusing resources on sequels.
That's one of the nice things about PC gaming, the settings are already there if you have the hardware.
"I think Call of Duty resonates because it's believable and relatable," Sledgehammer Games cofounder Michael Condrey says.
Believable and relatable...Yep, sounds like Call of Duty
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 04:17 Post subject: |
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These are the desperate words of people who are completely unaware of their surroundings, they've lost the conception of logic and time, grasping at straws and uttering balderdash from golden high-derp-range linen sofas. They remind me of politicians.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 04:20 Post subject: |
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | They're not going after the PC audience, they are trying to prevent their players from becoming a PC audience. |
That's the correct answer. But we don't really care about the real story, since none of us are console fans. So people prefer having fun with the story.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 04:30 Post subject: |
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | They're not going after the PC audience, they are trying to prevent their players from becoming a PC audience. |
I don't see why they would care, already the majority of PC gamers are what i call "consolers in denial" on PC.. only playing multiplatform console ports with shit performance on their expensive rig.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 04:38 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | Shocktrooper wrote: | | They're not going after the PC audience, they are trying to prevent their players from becoming a PC audience. |
I don't see why they would care, already the majority of PC gamers are what i call "consolers in denial" on PC.. only playing multiplatform console ports with shit performance on their expensive rig. |
PC has shit performance compared to console?
hahaahahahahaha wtf...
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 04:38 Post subject: |
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Oh yes the old PC vs console war. People who have less then 2 braincells, lol. I'll play console/pc to my liking. Doesn't really matter these days as long as you enjoy playing your games on whatever platform you want. Useless thread imo
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 09:56 Post subject: |
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| guvna wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: | | Shocktrooper wrote: | | They're not going after the PC audience, they are trying to prevent their players from becoming a PC audience. |
I don't see why they would care, already the majority of PC gamers are what i call "consolers in denial" on PC.. only playing multiplatform console ports with shit performance on their expensive rig. |
PC has shit performance compared to console?
hahaahahahahaha wtf... |
Well yeah, for alot of these "multiplatform"/console ports for PC that gamer's clamour for.. I mean people build a $3000 PC and get the exact same console game, with:
No higher rez textures..
No different game assets whatsoever.
No PC tailored UI, in fact generally an offensive TV derp ui.
Completely dumbed down mechanics / gameplay because the game is built from ground up for 4 derp buttons or whatever.
Most the time these games onyl see a 30% perormance improvement and often still dont even hit 60fps... But sure PC masterrace extreme 9000, such a superior platform.
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prudislav
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 10:04 Post subject: |
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$3000 PC have you seen a PC since 1995???
PC outperforming PS4/XBO can be done for less than $250 (just FYI you dont need Ttan X to outperform consoles).... hell i got $550 laptop which has double the performance of thee consoles (aka runs all these multiplats at better settings and double the framerate)
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 10:16 Post subject: |
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sed 's/$3000/$$$$/g'
I still think that PC gamers get majorly boned in the ass for 90% of multi-platform games, because multi-platform == console-centric game. If i was into assassins creed, deus ex, dark souls, tomb raider, watch dogs etc.. i would feel pretty ripped off having a decent PC vs. the derpsole experience.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 10:22 Post subject: |
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They're trying to scam people with moderately upgraded hardware and buzzwords. Nothing else.
| AmpegV4 wrote: | sed 's/$3000/$$$$/g'
I still think that PC gamers get majorly boned in the ass for 90% of multi-platform games, because multi-platform == console-centric game. If i was into assassins creed, deus ex, dark souls, tomb raider, watch dogs etc.. i would feel pretty ripped off having a decent PC vs. the derpsole experience. |
You probably shouldn't mention games that actually do run at 60 FPS on PC while being locked at 30(locked at 30 on consoles means an unsteady 15-30 FPS) on consoles. Makes your trolling weaker.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 10:25 Post subject: |
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$3000 pc 
As for the rest of the argument it's still rubbish, pc's are still more versatile than derpsoles. Old-ish PC? Turn some options down and/or lock it to 30 fps, done.
Want to play an older game on your current gen derpsole? Chances are you're shit out of luck, if not prepare to pay for it again. And let's not even begin the discussion on game prices for both platforms...
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 10:52 Post subject: |
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The current gen consoles were hopelessly outdated when they got released, I don't see how anything will be different with these new iterations. They just fucked up with the last release and are trying to fix it to some degree now with a new, quicker cycle.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 11:54 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | guvna wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: |
I don't see why they would care, already the majority of PC gamers are what i call "consolers in denial" on PC.. only playing multiplatform console ports with shit performance on their expensive rig. |
PC has shit performance compared to console?
hahaahahahahaha wtf... |
Well yeah, for alot of these "multiplatform"/console ports for PC that gamer's clamour for.. I mean people build a $3000 PC and get the exact same console game, with:
No higher rez textures..
No different game assets whatsoever.
No PC tailored UI, in fact generally an offensive TV derp ui.
Completely dumbed down mechanics / gameplay because the game is built from ground up for 4 derp buttons or whatever.
Most the time these games onyl see a 30% perormance improvement and often still dont even hit 60fps... But sure PC masterrace extreme 9000, such a superior platform. |
I would pay that $3000 even just for the keyboard and mouse gameplay. 
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 13:00 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | guvna wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: |
I don't see why they would care, already the majority of PC gamers are what i call "consolers in denial" on PC.. only playing multiplatform console ports with shit performance on their expensive rig. |
PC has shit performance compared to console?
hahaahahahahaha wtf... |
Well yeah, for alot of these "multiplatform"/console ports for PC that gamer's clamour for.. I mean people build a $3000 PC and get the exact same console game, with:
No higher rez textures..
No different game assets whatsoever.
No PC tailored UI, in fact generally an offensive TV derp ui.
Completely dumbed down mechanics / gameplay because the game is built from ground up for 4 derp buttons or whatever.
Most the time these games onyl see a 30% perormance improvement and often still dont even hit 60fps... But sure PC masterrace extreme 9000, such a superior platform. |
I don't even know what games you are talking about.
Gameplay and UI aside, graphically speaking, only stupid Japanese ports like PES or a few Tecmo games have worst or equal quality and performance. There are also few just generally god awful ports like Arkham Knight and Dark Souls, but I dare you to name "alot of these" multiplatform games. Because I know for sure they aren't the majority, not even in the darkest days of PC gaming. I'm talking during the heights of PS3 and xbox360 where AAAs just don't even come to PC because "piracy", but when they do, we still get better graphics and performance.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 13:16 Post subject: |
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| sip74 wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | | The current gen consoles were hopelessly outdated when they got released, I don't see how anything will be different with these new iterations. |
Look at the bright side, apparently these use next-gen upscaling... 
| Quote: | | However, a trio of the Sony first party efforts looked seriously impressive: Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone and Infamous First Light. All use the same cutting-edge upscaling technique. Previously we've talked about the 4x4 checkerboard process, where a 2x2 pixel block is extrapolated out into a 4x4 equivalent - next-gen upscaling, if you like. It allows developers to construct a 2160p 4K framebuffer from half the pixels - a much closer fit for the Pro's GPU prowess. |
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It seems it's very well done though. I would like to see amd and nvidia soon do it on PC too but I'm not exactly holding my breath as I know that it's not in their best interests. They'd rather force you to buy a new GPU to render at 4K at acceptable framerates rather than make it possible to use your current one with 4K-ish quality.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2016 13:55 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: |
I mean people build a $3000 PC |
A month ago, I did a calculation to see how much each rig I build costs and how long it lasts. I came to the following conclusion:
Every three years : €300 for a graphics card
Every 3-4 years: €500 for a new CPU, motherboard and memory
PSU lasts a long time - €70 for 5 years or so
Add €150-200 for expanded hard drives every 5 years or so as well.
So that is €1000 for a PC that plays games at their max to mid-end towards the end of its life span. Consoles last about 6 years while a €1000 PC lasts about 4 years on average.
Now in that time, you can buy 30 console games at €50 average = €1500. Or you can buy the same games on PC at €30 average = €900. In reality, PC gamers can buy way more games for ridiculously low prices whereas console games always pay quite high prices - even for 20-30 year old games.
So bottomline: yes, hardware-wise PC is more expensive but you can get soooo many more games and for really low prices.
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