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sTo0z
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 Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 13:52 Post subject: [OTHER] Properly burn CD-i images? |
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Probably a silly question but you never know if you don't ask. 
I am having a damn hard time trying to properly burn CD-i images (yes the horrible console from Philips).
I can burn the bin/cue images fine, but as soon as it's in .ccd/.sub/.img format, I can't seem to figure it out.
Usually I use IMGBURN but I thought I saw that it doesn't fully know how to handle the .sub files.
So I went with CloneCD and tried various settings and was not able to get them to boot at all.
Any ideas? Or do I continue my reign of king of the dead threads?
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Stige
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 14:21 Post subject: |
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 14:28 Post subject: |
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Man these games are pure gold. 
@Janz,
Yah have tried every variation of that, won't boot in the machine though. 
Could be the images are awful, good point. I'll try to find another.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 16:37 Post subject: |
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afaik only a few games needed to be burned with clonecd / grabbed in that format. maybe google a list for that, long time ago i had to deal with cdi so i dont know any sources anymore
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 16:43 Post subject: |
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Look for the Redump collection, those images should work perfectly and with IMGburn. Had some problems with a different collection so ended up with Redump and fared a lot better. 
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 17:14 Post subject: |
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Specifically I can't get "The Apprentice" to work...
I'll try to find this "redump" collection!
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 17:30 Post subject: |
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as a matter of fact that is one of the games which needs to be ripped with clonecd properly. so most likely the image is just broken, does it show the needed pregap data mode 2 in the status window/overview when loading the image.ccd into clonecd?
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 16:00 Post subject: |
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Good question, I also started to investigate heavily into this apparent "CD-i Ready" format after I ran out of CD-Rs..
I'll have to double check that next time when I get some more discs. I do have multiple, different, copies of the game now though (thanks Morph!) so hopefully I can figure this damn thing out!
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 18:22 Post subject: |
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It's a shame even the best CD-I emulator is kinda wonky. It works with most titles ... more or less ... but don't expect too much.
When it comes to early CD consoles, the 3DO is a lot more interesting if you ask me. It had many unique titles or improvements over PC games (Wolfenstein 3D, Star Control II, etc.).
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 18:51 Post subject: |
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I have both consoles, maybe I should check out the 3DO more.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 19:26 Post subject: |
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sega cd is the king of pre-psx era cd consoles, so many great classics.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 19:29 Post subject: |
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There's a lot of crap on 3DO as well... after I was done cleaning my roms with games I actually wanted to play or that were the better versions out there. Well, there was not much left.
That being said: ofcourse still better than the CD-I catalogue... But eh, as a collector you usually want to have the shitty stuff as well
Btw Stooz, for the burning that fails could be something as silly as your CD-I not liking the brand you are using or that you need to burn at a slower speed. They used to have some good topics on UG about that so maybe ask around there. Must be a few people around that are still active with their CD-I
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 19:50 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | There's a lot of crap on 3DO as well... after I was done cleaning my roms with games I actually wanted to play or that were the better versions out there. Well, there was not much left.
That being said: ofcourse still better than the CD-I catalogue... But eh, as a collector you usually want to have the shitty stuff as well
Btw Stooz, for the burning that fails could be something as silly as your CD-I not liking the brand you are using or that you need to burn at a slower speed. They used to have some good topics on UG about that so maybe ask around there. Must be a few people around that are still active with their CD-I |
Hah, true.. I feel like it might be a combination of sorts. As I had just burned another title using the same CD-R brand on the same machine/same burner, and it boots just fine. Must be something to do with that stupid "CD-i Ready" format being used for The Apprentice..
Step 1 is get more discs.
| The_Zeel wrote: | | sega cd is the king of pre-psx era cd consoles, so many great classics. |
SegaCD has some amazing stuff for sure, some of my favorite RPGs on there, and has the absolute best version of Lunar on there. I've hated every re-creation of that game after the SegaCD version.
Went through Popful Mail not too long ago. |
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2016 16:36 Post subject: |
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Alright, got some FRESH CD-Rs, gonna' give this damn thing another shot.
Going to try CloneCD again.
Here we go...
ATTEMPT #1:
Ok, CloneCD running good, saw some PreGap data in there, did "Data" as the choice. Trying 4x speed this time instead of "MAX" which I did last time.
RESULT #1:
FAILURE. Does the same thing it always does. Just sits on the main menu screen and says "DISC" and does nothing.
ATTEMPT #2:
Going back to the other image I have which is bin/cue and trying IMGBurn. Guess these discs only support 16x lowest speed, going with that.
RESULT #2:
Fail. Main menu -> "DISC"
ATTEMPT #3:
Going to try to burn something else, see what happens. Have successfully burned several other CD-i titles with this very same drive.
RESULT #3:
Just successfully burned Mad Dog II. Same drive, same discs.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2016 17:16 Post subject: |
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What brand are you using btw?
The ones I usually used for fickle systems were either: BASF, Emtec or TDK's (that one rarely though). Sony were one of the quality brands that weren't that great for emu purposes. Then again I'm talking about 10 years ago or so. 
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2016 18:08 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | What brand are you using btw?
The ones I usually used for fickle systems were either: BASF, Emtec or TDK's (that one rarely though). Sony were one of the quality brands that weren't that great for emu purposes. Then again I'm talking about 10 years ago or so. |
Before I was using some random ass Sony discs, now I have Verbatims. |
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2016 18:26 Post subject: |
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lol...
Well that figures..
Sent one more time through using original image + CloneCD at 16x for the heck of it...
In the meantime, went up to tear open another computer to try another drive as a test. Came back and tried the new disc and it finally goddamn worked.
No idea why, but it finally works.
YAY!
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Feb 2016 18:52 Post subject: |
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Probably the machine being sensitive to some brands. Since it working sounds really random
Glad it did finally work though, enjoy!
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Feb 2016 14:45 Post subject: |
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Something damn fishy here.. and now it's starting to make sense, maybe? I guess?
I must have gotten really lucky with the game booting up when it did... 
Now it takes me like (what feels like) 100 attempts to get the disc to run. And even then, sometimes in the middle of the game, it will stop and tell me I have a dirty disc.
Some games run absolutely flawlessly... so it must either still be a poor burn, or the laser is crapping out.. which I have read about for these systems. And they look annoying to replace.
Either way, gave the whole thing a good cleaning and still things did not run well. Craapppppp.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th May 2016 23:59 Post subject: |
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Try BurnCycle from CDI ... or CDI version of INCA ... also Hotel Mario is great ... and well Thunder In Paradise that FMV rail shooter is FUN with Hulk Hogan
and about emulation on PC , it works ... but to run that emu you have to go an extra mile , they are 3 emus that work well ... one for 2d games , one for FMV games ... all games can be emulated ... even that ehm Playboy Massage
or Virtual stripper aka Poker ... and many more
and the Video Standard for those CDs are VCD ... so when you burn those games burn them as VCD !!! with 4x
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Jul 2016 05:03 Post subject: |
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I'm going to go ahead and conclude that it was the PC and/or disc drive I was using.
Re-assembled my old X360 burning machine and got this game running on the first try.
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