Necropolis: Roguelike from Shadowrun Returns developers
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 12:36    Post subject:
The co-op is poorly designed, only the host gets rewards for a playthrough not to mention that GoG and Steam versions are not compatible with one another. It feels really amateurish.
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 13:12    Post subject:
Looks cool, but will probably wait till it's cheaper.

Don't feel comfortable paying $30 for this....


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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 13:40    Post subject:
@Nodrim
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only the host gets rewards for a playthrough


Source?

@tw1st
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Don't feel comfortable paying $30 for this....


Yeah, atm it feels like the game is just a skeleton without any meat on it Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 14:22    Post subject:
h0rnyfavn wrote:
@Nodrim
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only the host gets rewards for a playthrough


Source?



A dev said on the hyperrpg stream. I also watched some random streams today and seen live how oroboro came to this conclusion.
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 14:41    Post subject:
Considering the game can be finished in 4-6 hours it looks like it's just another dirty trick of prolonging the game length..as in first you help me (get codexes and progress through the game) and then I'll help you (coz you haven't got shit when playing with me)... Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 14:59    Post subject:
I'm into roguelites, but 4-6 hours of gameplay, no 2h weapons, no bosses for 28 euros...
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 15:06    Post subject:
@Nodrim

They got "bosses" though..mini-bosses or something.A huge snake creature + a monstrous spider. There are prolly others.

PS

The list of things mentioned in the stream

Quote:
-A Bloodborne-like combat dodge

-A lock-on system

-Weapons with different tiers of power depending on the floor they were found on

-Resurrecting friends in co-op. If you don't res them, they can respawn, albeit with 0-level gear

-Friendly fire in co-op

-Two weapon slots

-A shield bash that knocks back enemies (and friends)

-Respawning doesn't wipe your learned recipes

-Potion icons are shuffled every new game, any given color potion will have different effects on different playthroughs

-Enemies are tied to environments, which are determined by dungeon level

-Ranged weapons, including magic wands and offhand crossbows

-Fire bombs, electricity bombs, freeze bombs

-Character dyes unlocked by completing objectives and spending a persistent currency

-Charge attacks

-Elemental weapons

-Over 100 "weapon sets"

-Blessing of the Gods: a fountain in the elevator room where you can spend your gems to increase your max health

EDIT (thanks to Appdude 13, Qkels and donttalknojive):

-Secret rooms, found occasionally by reading the writing on the walls

-Codices. Unlocked with the persistent currency, will affect gameplay in one way or another. Seems like they can also be upgraded when going further into Necropolis (The upgrading part is just educated guess because the Codices show a tier level)

-When playing co-op, each player gets a copy of the save file they all contributed to, they can then individually continue from where they left off if they wish.

-Dying in co-op supposedly doesn't remove Blessing of the Gods

-Certain enemy types are hostile on sight towards other type (for example, Gem Eaters & Grines are hostile towards each other), often ignoring the player and focusing on each other instead. And enemies can hurt each other.

-Blocking at full stamina provides 100% damage resist. Blocking when stamina <100% will cause bleedthrough.

-There are procedural minibosses - large single opponents who may be leading a group. They are higher difficulty than regular mobs and appear to be dungeon region based. Known example: The Spider Queen

-Armors of higher tier provide additional armor value as well as bonus effects: Plate armor = bonus to enemy knockback and slower movement. Ninja armor = higher movememt speed (may also be more difficult to detect player).

-Golden token chests allow players to spend quest objective currency during a run for guaranteed "sweet loot"

-Certain enemy types are week to specific elements. Known example: Skeletons weak to "arcane" damage, which looks like electricity.

-Shops are located randomly throughout the necropolis. Players spend "gems" for gear. The blessing of the gods also costs gems so will reduce the buying power of the player.



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Quote:
Thats not how it works, there are no rewards other than the codex fragments, which are kept regardless of who you are/server


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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 15:28    Post subject:
There are codex fragments and dyes which are kept after death.

About bosses:

Devs wrote:
2. There will be no Boss Fights
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 15:43    Post subject:
@Nodrim

There will be tough mini-bosses mobs like the spider queen for instance.You can call them elite- mobs or champions if you like Very Happy

The game is too primitive for a proper boss fights anyways Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 16:11    Post subject:
I hope you are right, I haven't seen any of these mini-bosses. Very Happy

The game was supposed to have bows and stuff, yet I haven't seen any on the streams. I wonder if they are hard to get because they can be abused. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 17:01    Post subject:
A snake "mini-boss" Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jul 2016 17:10    Post subject:
Cool! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 18:04    Post subject:
if it's true... Mind Is Full Of Fuck Reaction


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 18:11    Post subject:
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Disgusting noob devs.


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:06    Post subject:
Necropolis-CODEX
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:11    Post subject:
oh didnt knew it has permadeath, meh ill skip it
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:16    Post subject:
lolozaur wrote:
oh didnt knew it has permadeath, meh ill skip it


U scared bre?! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:17    Post subject:
Laughing Laughing Laughing


He just has no skill i think.
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:20    Post subject:
Judging by the steam forums it's a typical HBS game.. lots of bugs Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:22    Post subject:
I got like 15 euros on my Steam wallet, I'm not sure if I should buy it. The lack of keybindings sure is a turn off.
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:38    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
I got like 15 euros on my Steam wallet, I'm not sure if I should buy it. The lack of keybindings sure is a turn off.


There's no real reason to hurry, wait a few hours and see what the initial impressions on the forums are and what the reviews are averaging to and then decide based on more data or how to say. Smile
(Or just wait for a discount later on or a cheap third-party key alternative.)

EDIT: Oh and initial forum impressions as of this post are about the game not starting, various bugs, poor performance and the usual complaints, doesn't mean it's bad feedback but for example someone trying to run the game in "4K" on a Intel integrated GPU is going to struggle a bit. Very Happy
(In short, it's the Steam forums, there's usually a storm of complaints after each new release on their respective community forum even for more polished releases plus the usual hostile community and various trolling threads, it's still usable but eh it's a bit problematic to put it lightly but you can find good information too.)
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 20:12    Post subject:
I can't say I'm surprised by performance issues, the game runs on Unity engine after all.
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 20:12    Post subject:
Yep... you can't rebind shit
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@Vryder

They have a resolution scale option and if you set it to max then you get low performance(at least according to steam forums) . Now, as I understand it is kinda of supersampling, I guess.

I'm getting like 190 fps if I set everything to max but don't touch render resolution option.

Overall it looks OK controls wise but

- making Ctrl a dodge move is a mistake , ALT is much easier to use when you play with WASD
- V - running? Jeez..


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 20:23    Post subject:
I want the GOG version Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 20:49    Post subject:
Going by the screenshots so far it seems there's some attempt at humor but it really doesn't work.

This just comes across as unfinished:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=723215363
(Or this attempt at humor: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=723190029 )

Not that I'm easily offended or anything but to many this might come across more as insulting:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=723218144

Weapon naming and descriptions:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=723208695
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=723189329
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 20:51    Post subject:
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That's some really bad stuff man.

How is the gameplay though?


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 20:54    Post subject:
h0rnyfavn wrote:
Yep... you can't rebind shit


My biggest fucking pet-peeve when it comes to modern gaming. If a developer can't even take 30 minutes out of his schedule to implement the absolute most basic "feature" (a requirement really), how much care and attention do you think he's going to give the rest of the game?

It just comes across as incredibly lazy and amateurish.


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 21:19    Post subject:
I died like an idiot in Level 4. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 22:06    Post subject:
If developers can't be arsed to spend some time on such a basic PC games feature as rebinding controls then it makes you wonder...

And there are other issues(lack of matchmaking etc) ... Tbh I'd say this game feels and plays like an early-access game..


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