Chris Avellone leaves Obsidian Entertainment
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pillermann




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PostPosted: Mon, 30th May 2016 12:14    Post subject:
Most other writers in the industry are shit. That by itself makes him outstanding.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th May 2016 12:16    Post subject:
Oustanding, perhaps, but still vastly overrated.

That said, these things are subjective.

To put it another way, I find his style of writing painful and deliberately opaque. Emphasis on style over substance.

But to each his own.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th May 2016 12:32    Post subject:
The problem with games writing is that a lot of what gets attributed to one writer is rarely ever 100% their work. Aside from maybe Torment, where he did write big chunks himself (but not everything), there would be few games Avellone worked on where you wouldn't be seeing the results of a collaborative effort. Especially in recent years, where his contributions have been more piecemeal.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th May 2016 12:33    Post subject:
Casus wrote:
Oustanding, perhaps, but still vastly overrated.

That said, these things are subjective.

To put it another way, I find his style of writing painful and deliberately opaque. Emphasis on style over substance.

But to each his own.


At the very least, he's good at writing memorable characters. I can still remember minor NPCs from PST to this day.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th May 2016 12:35    Post subject:
Steelone wrote:
Casus wrote:
Oustanding, perhaps, but still vastly overrated.

That said, these things are subjective.

To put it another way, I find his style of writing painful and deliberately opaque. Emphasis on style over substance.

But to each his own.


At the very least, he's good at writing memorable characters. I can still remember minor NPCs from PST to this day.


As I said, to each his own.

I think he's trying too hard to make an impression - and he tends to overdo it. To me, that kind of thing gets on my nerves very quickly.

I prefer lowkey and straight-to-the-point writing and characters.

That said, good writing is, indeed, extremely rare in games.

Witcher 3 and Last of Us are examples of what I consider quality writing, and that's WAY above the Avellone quality level.

To me, that is.
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Later in 2020, Karissa started deleting a large section of her past Twitter postings, almost 60,000+ tweets.



What the actual fuck? You know someone is cray cray, when they have over 60k tweets to delete...
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 11:47    Post subject:
yeah, 60k, talk about not having a life.. i read today that the writer for ep3 of Loki deleted 5K tweets before getting hired, someone looked into it and a lot of the hateful tweets had the tag #whitegenocice... such nice people lol
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 11:58    Post subject:
I hope they clear Avellone, so he can get back to work. This industry i severely lacking in writing talent.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 12:10    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
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Later in 2020, Karissa started deleting a large section of her past Twitter postings, almost 60,000+ tweets.



What the actual fuck? You know someone is cray cray, when they have over 60k tweets to delete...


Yeah! 25K is the max!
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 12:28    Post subject:
Radicalus wrote:
I hope they clear Avellone, so he can get back to work. This industry i severely lacking in writing talent.


The industry washed their hands and that's about it. I think the only studio who didn't rush into kicking him out the back door was Owlcat (Pathfinder). His reputation is forever tarnished, no matter the resolution of this clusterfuck. And reading his posts, I think he's still approaching this the wrong way. He should lawyer up (like Angry Joe did) and pursue this in the court. It's the only way to do something.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 13:39    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
Radicalus wrote:
I hope they clear Avellone, so he can get back to work. This industry i severely lacking in writing talent.


The industry washed their hands and that's about it. I think the only studio who didn't rush into kicking him out the back door was Owlcat (Pathfinder). His reputation is forever tarnished, no matter the resolution of this clusterfuck. And reading his posts, I think he's still approaching this the wrong way. He should lawyer up (like Angry Joe did) and pursue this in the court. It's the only way to do something.
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But seriously now, I don't think he has a chance too, especially on any western videogame derpeloper. Even the kurwas from Dying Light that should now better not to emulate their 'merican counterparts woke shit seemingly kicked him out (unless it wasn't related to the allegations). But I have this sneaking suspicion that Chris won't be the only one on this situation for long, these lunatics will turn on themselves sooner or later when there's no "problematic" elements left for them to fuck over.
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Cancel culture is a modern scourge. If whatever they claimed was true they'd have a court case. Using Twitter and other social media to try to destroy a mans career while contradicting their own stories are strong signs of lies.

I hope this gets sorted for Chris asap. And unfortunately, an apology for a bad end to a relationship can easily be turned into an admission of guilt to the claims. :/


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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 13:52    Post subject:
It was turned into an admission of guilt in 2020 by the twitter mob. I noticed he deleted that tweet.
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Good luck trying to uncancel yourself after almost everyone in the industry, their screeching danger-haired audience and affiliated journovultures already permanently branded you as the rapist Chris before such allegations are even properly evaluated in court. I really hope we do get a good ending out of this though, Avellone is a master of his craft and it would be a damn shame if this story didn't rule in his favour.



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I can't even take this post seriously.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 18:58    Post subject:
The court documents were posted on Codex. He's hired one of the biggest online defamation legal firms in California, and aside from the 2 primary accusers he has named 102 twitter users who amplified the claims.

Twitter/wokeverse kicked the hornet's nest with this one. MCA is not fucking around.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-christopher-an-individual-avellone-vs-karissa-an-individual-barrows-et-al-702893
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 19:02    Post subject:
Steelone wrote:
The court documents were posted on Codex. He's hired one of the biggest online defamation legal firms in California, and aside from the 2 primary accusers he has named 102 twitter users who amplified the claims.

Twitter/wokeverse kicked the hornet's nest with this one. MCA is not fucking around.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-christopher-an-individual-avellone-vs-karissa-an-individual-barrows-et-al-702893
Nice, good to see someone "big"...-ish finally fighting back and taking these cunts to court.


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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 19:14    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Steelone wrote:
The court documents were posted on Codex. He's hired one of the biggest online defamation legal firms in California, and aside from the 2 primary accusers he has named 102 twitter users who amplified the claims.

Twitter/wokeverse kicked the hornet's nest with this one. MCA is not fucking around.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-christopher-an-individual-avellone-vs-karissa-an-individual-barrows-et-al-702893
Nice, good to see someone "big"...-ish finally fighting back and taking these cunts to court.


If he pulls this off, he could seriously dissuade people from amplifying or pushing shaky accusations on twitter.

When people know there is a real potential of legal consequence, they'll be much more careful about attempting to cancel/ruin lives with unsubstantiated claims.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 19:21    Post subject:
Steelone wrote:
The court documents were posted on Codex. He's hired one of the biggest online defamation legal firms in California, and aside from the 2 primary accusers he has named 102 twitter users who amplified the claims.

Twitter/wokeverse kicked the hornet's nest with this one. MCA is not fucking around.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-christopher-an-individual-avellone-vs-karissa-an-individual-barrows-et-al-702893


This is huge, if he's in the right and he can prove it in the court of law, this could change everything.
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Why is twittter a thing? What does it do that any other platform can't other than cancel people and be retarded? Confused I never had an account and never will.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 20:34    Post subject:
Steelone wrote:
tonizito wrote:
Steelone wrote:
The court documents were posted on Codex. He's hired one of the biggest online defamation legal firms in California, and aside from the 2 primary accusers he has named 102 twitter users who amplified the claims.

Twitter/wokeverse kicked the hornet's nest with this one. MCA is not fucking around.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-christopher-an-individual-avellone-vs-karissa-an-individual-barrows-et-al-702893
Nice, good to see someone "big"...-ish finally fighting back and taking these cunts to court.


If he pulls this off, he could seriously dissuade people from amplifying or pushing shaky accusations on twitter.

When people know there is a real potential of legal consequence, they'll be much more careful about attempting to cancel/ruin lives with unsubstantiated claims.

Agreed. Glad to see that he's taking all the necessary steps to fight this battle, well-written statements and expansive explanations can only get you so far as the damage was already done. Christopher vs Twitterthots 'n journos: Act I Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 21:49    Post subject:
^ its too late, regardless of what happens. Instead of immediately reacting then, he took it from all sides in complete silence. Doing this after a year will solve nothing. I dont expect to see companies hiring him again.

How's Johnny Depp doing now ? Even after the tapes showing that cunt being the abuser, he's still canceled and nobody is working with him anymore. He has no new projects as of now. Same will be with Avellone
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jun 2021 03:16    Post subject:
I hope they have to pay millions for defamation.

I'd take the game journos to court first and foremost, they have the most reach.

Also, why do gamers themselves put up with this shit? I don't give woke journos any clicks anymore. All I read / watch are basically YT channels, that talk to me about gameplay and not politics.
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jun 2021 07:56    Post subject:
Radicalus wrote:
I hope they have to pay millions for defamation.

I'd take the game journos to court first and foremost, they have the most reach.

Also, why do gamers themselves put up with this shit? I don't give woke journos any clicks anymore. All I read / watch are basically YT channels, that talk to me about gameplay and not politics.


I doubt he'll get much money out of them as both the primary defendants are pretty broke. Chris is already independently wealthy, so I doubt he cares that much about the money.

I suspect this is more about his image and making a stand. Even if it doesn't wipe the slate in regards to working in the industry, it's still empowering to be told you were in the right.

Also his legal action could set a precedent for future accused/cancelled individuals. For too long the wokeverse has been able to get away with spreading libellous accusations with zero proof. It's time they experienced true "consequence culture" (as some of them like to refer to cancel culture).

As Nodrim says, this could change everything.
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