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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 15:28    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 17:05    Post subject:
I have been training Krav-maga on and of for a couple of years, and it is based on self defence only, there is no katas, competitions or snazy moves. Just defend, disarm and evade tactics and moves!


Heres a link to the brittish site!

http://www.krav-maga.org.uk/


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 18:34    Post subject:
Does any of you know anything about the Wing Chun Kung Fu style?

This is the website : http://www.martialartinstitute.com/

more info http://www.simonlaucentre.co.uk/wingchun/default.asp

There are so many styles and they all have different advantages and disadvantanges.

By the way, is it illegal to carry a pellet gun in the UK? : )
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 22:33    Post subject:
SirCez wrote:
Does any of you know anything about the Wing Chun Kung Fu style?

This is the website : http://www.martialartinstitute.com/

more info http://www.simonlaucentre.co.uk/wingchun/default.asp

There are so many styles and they all have different advantages and disadvantanges.

By the way, is it illegal to carry a pellet gun in the UK? : )

If you wanna do kungfu do a proper 1 not the crappy wing chun. link


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 23:29    Post subject:
ksponge is mostly right. If your looking for general self defence then I would join a MMA gym (Mixed Martial Arts gym) that would be most beneficial.

I have some experience in the field but I wont bore any of you, think of it this way in a street fight theres no rules so when the other guy picks up a housebrick or a broken beer bottle and decides he wants to hurt you theres no choice but to act. Learning how to defend yourself is a must in todays society 9 out of ten times a fight will always end up on the ground theres a very small chance that you will be KO'd on the first or second strike because your usual thug has limited knowledge on how to get the most from his punch/kick and lacks the speed and conditioning that comes with dedication and experience.

However dismissing Muay thai in favour of Kung fu is a big mistake, Wing chun is an excellent art but its not as practical when it comes to defending yourself most MMA gyms use MT for their core striking game MT is awesome for striking it mixes boxing with devastating kicks/knees/elbows, nowadays dojos/gyms are so overrated people tend to concentrate on Kata in order to progress you to another level (blue belt to black belt to first degree ect). In REAL MMA gyms they mix arts and real teachers show you how to correct your form and get the best out of your striking/grappling instead of being egotistical assholes who want your money while making you practise sets of Kata you will never use, I learnt that lesson 8 years ago.

Grappling isnt the ultimate art, far from it infact. Take Mirko Crocop vs Mark Coleman how many times did Mirko brush aside Colemans attempts for a takedown? and Mirko was even back then predominantly a striker, for the street however grappling/wrestling is an essential art but one cannot go fix a leak in the water pipes without the right tools.

Bottom line mate, if you want to learn how to best defend yourself take join an MMA gym but do remember its going to take alot of dedication/time and becoming a Wanderlei silva/Fedor Emelianko/Mirko Crocop doesnt happen overnight Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 00:14    Post subject:
but mirko was wasted by minotaur like a year ago in the title match,
this shows that grappling can be extremely dangerous as well.
he was alot smaller and less powerfull, and yet he brough crocop down and made him
surrender.
imo, i hate the grappling matches, theyre popular with many fighters as that way they can evade most damage from a hitting match, and thats what i like about crocop, he doesnt go along with that, he lets his opponent stand up instead of using the opportunity while he s on the ground.


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 00:23    Post subject:
D_A_Kuja wrote:
but mirko was wasted by minotaur like a year ago in the title match,
this shows that grappling can be extremely dangerous as well.
he was alot smaller and less powerfull, and yet he brough crocop down and made him
surrender.
imo, i hate the grappling matches, theyre popular with many fighters as that way they can evade most damage from a hitting match, and thats what i like about crocop, he doesnt go along with that, he lets his opponent stand up instead of using the opportunity while he s on the ground.


Did you see the fight? Mirko was dominating the entire fight until that arm bar, nog was busted up pretty bad. You look at the Cropcop today and you see a totally evolved fighter from his K1/early pride days, I think the goal is to be a complete fighter and Mirko knows this he cannot soley rely on his LHK anymore did you watch his fight VS fedor? his ground game was awesome and his most recent match with Barnett he out classed him and totally dominated Josh's department.

But I disagree with subs when it comes to streetfighting, there are so many ways to get out of a headlock/arm bar when there are no rules.


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 00:30    Post subject:
yea mirko was dominating in the minotaur fight, but he only needed that one arm bar to get it done, that shows even better how dangerous grappling can be, even after suffering alot of damage and the fight being not in his favor he managed to get it done with that last move.
imo mirko is the best fighter atm, but it did kinda disappoint me when he lost that fight against minotaur, as he s coming from my country and my whole family sat in front of the tv that night.
yea he did evolve since that time, definitely, he used to be really bad at ground game.


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 00:41    Post subject:
Your from Croatia? have you seen his movie yet? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 06:35    Post subject:
I took Judo once, when I wqas 12 or 13 ..

This one time, when I was a yellow belt ... well .. I defeted an rorange belt


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 09:15    Post subject:
Ill say it again! As seflf defence goes, theres nothing compared to KRAV-MAGA!


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 09:47    Post subject:
ollax wrote:
Ill say it again! As seflf defence goes, theres nothing compared to KRAV-MAGA!

agreed.... i've studied taekwon do, a style of kung fu, cant remember which one, and right now mai thai.

i also did krav maga.... and it is by far the best though i cant find anywhere to train at atm.

i was always good at fighting at all of the martial arts but the ppl who did krav maga for any period of time longer than me could probably kick the shit outa me. to give you an example as a green belt at kung fu my master who was the head of that style of kung fu in britain wanted me to fight in the national championships ahead of a number of black belst coz i could beat the living crap outa them in any spar or no bars hold fight. also most recently we had a piss up at my uni and since i was the only one out of mai thai costume ( it was a fancy dress pissup Razz) i had to fight the main black belt. the fight was won by me in 20 seconds.

krav maga though was insane... their were ppl who were smaller both in build and in size who i knew could kill me in 30 seconds. personally my favourite martial art outa the 4 that i did and it has definatly helped me in many a fight.
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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 12:04    Post subject:
*Sigh* seems everyone here is a martial arts master. It's like any thread with a particular theme, suddenly, everyone becomes experts.


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 22:36    Post subject:
i once took down 30 muay thai fighters in 10 secs with my self-developed art.
all the top managers begged me to participate in k1 and ufc, but i said "nah, these guys
are weaklings, i would make widows out of their wives", and they replied "true.dat".
but its not rare that i get surrounded by 20 guys with knives and waste em in the blink of an eye, just wanted to share my expertise, you can start worshipping me now Wink


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 23:42    Post subject:
ollax wrote:
I have been training Krav-maga on and of for a couple of years, and it is based on self defence only, there is no katas, competitions or snazy moves. Just defend, disarm and evade tactics and moves!


Heres a link to the brittish site!

http://www.krav-maga.org.uk/


This one gets my vote as well. It is a very practical art that you could use in a real life encounter. I don't like the grappling styles because while they may be super-effective against one opponent, I can't even imagine how you'd fight 2 or more with that style. Isn't that going to be the time you really need a martial art? I think all martial arts are effective to a degree, but it will all depend on how much you train and how much training the other guy has (or if he has a weapon/what kind of weapon). Outside of a tournament or kung fu movie, how often do two skilled martial artists fight it out?
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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 23:43    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
*Sigh* seems everyone here is a martial arts master. It's like any thread with a particular theme, suddenly, everyone becomes experts.


thats what i was thinkin....Neutral kinda still, some ppl sound like they actually have atleast trained in whatever style.


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Dec 2005 12:15    Post subject:
Never done any martial art nor boxed but ive managed to get into my share of fights and been the one standing in the majority. But this Krav Maga looks really nice and i found a club in my city, might just take this up.



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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Dec 2005 13:26    Post subject:
javlar wrote:
Never done any martial art nor boxed but ive managed to get into my share of fights and been the one standing in the majority. But this Krav Maga looks really nice and i found a club in my city, might just take this up.


It's awsome, no mumbo jumbo shit just the fastest easyest and safest way to defend and secure yourself!


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Dec 2005 14:05    Post subject:
Just watched a few videos of Krav Maga, and to me it seemed to be what any person who can keep their cool would do in a combat situation. Obviously you need to train composure, and basic striking, but beyond that it didn't seem very complicated.

Maybe thats the point? I guess it's all about being practical in a self-defense situation, which most martial arts are not.

Now of course boxing can teach you how to strike and dodge, but it's rare any street fight will involve a standard striking standoff. Which doesn't make boxing that useful really.


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Dec 2005 00:23    Post subject:
ollax wrote:
javlar wrote:
Never done any martial art nor boxed but ive managed to get into my share of fights and been the one standing in the majority. But this Krav Maga looks really nice and i found a club in my city, might just take this up.


It's awsome, no mumbo jumbo shit just the fastest easyest and safest way to defend and secure yourself!


OR Israeli Hapkido Smile

Same thing...basically all martial arts (well, cept the large, commercialized ones), once at a certain rank (usually 1st dan black) go strickly to fighting - one or 2 strikes to put your opponent down. Nerve strikes, pressure points/locks, trapping on the fly etc Open hand or soft hand trapping is fuckin hard and takes a while to get down still.
Krav Maga is badass tho, but like i said, it has alot in common with hapkido - its just Israeli instead of Korean.
Oh, btw, there are a few variations of hapkido - traditional, "modern" and combat hapkido - I teach combat hapkido, although i know both combat and traditions.
Just so were clear, Krav Maga is like Combat Hapkido, thats what i meant Smile


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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2005 02:01    Post subject:
Does anyone know any places that teach Hapkido in London? I searched the net but couldn't find anything useful. Also what is the best style when fighting against multiple foes, any ideas?
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2005 04:58    Post subject:
Sorry dude, I dont know any instructors in London
Just go out around the city and visit the local clubs, one of em must be hapkido, if your interested...or even Tang So Do, thats what hapkido originated from.


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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2005 11:44    Post subject:
SycoShaman wrote:


I teach combat hapkido


and there arent any pictures of you on the site of the club?

so is any of these where you teach Laughing

-Eagle Hapkido downtown
-Eagle Hap Ki-Do Academy
-Toronto Hapkido Academy
- Rising Sun Martial Arts

and is this you by any chance?


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Dec 2005 02:54    Post subject:
JeanPerrier wrote:
SycoShaman wrote:


I teach combat hapkido


and there arent any pictures of you on the site of the club?

so is any of these where you teach Laughing

-Eagle Hapkido downtown
-Eagle Hap Ki-Do Academy
-Toronto Hapkido Academy
- Rising Sun Martial Arts

and is this you by any chance?


Laughing no, thats not me man Laughing

And no, I dont teach at a club bud, I teach a few ppl that actually want to train full contact and I never belonged to a club. personally, i dont like the whole club feel...in the summer i like to train in parks or if im up north, in the woods or something like that. in the winter, basement is fine (if one is big enough)...once you have a whole club thing, the training seems to lose instensity and its more about business...I never paid for my training,so I dont ask to be paid - well i did, not with cash - with hard work, extremely hard work, respect and chances to represent my team and friends to the best of my ability. Thats what its all about, I try to stay away from clubs, even back in the day...Smile


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SycoShaman wrote:

I never paid for my training,so I dont ask to be paid - well i did, not with cash - with hard work, extremely hard work, respect and chances to represent my team and friends to the best of my ability. Thats what its all about, I try to stay away from clubs, even back in the day...Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Dec 2005 10:41    Post subject:
Best self defence ever is called 9mm. You don't have to go physical and even if the other guy got 398 black belts he's not immortal.


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Dec 2005 20:24    Post subject:
Bagshatar wrote:
Best self defence ever is called 9mm. You don't have to go physical and even if the other guy got 398 black belts he's not immortal.


true...in a way tho...Gun techniques are seriously easy to do with the right training and tons of practice...that is, if a control spot on the hand or arm is easily access...from a few feet away, your fucked Neutral


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Dec 2005 20:27    Post subject:
Yeah but if you're going to use a gun, you use distance to your advantage. Unless of course you're a G and weild duel desert eagles cocked at an angle. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Dec 2005 20:31    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
Yeah but if you're going to use a gun, you use distance to your advantage. Unless of course you're a G and weild duel desert eagles cocked at an angle. Laughing


yeah, exactly. but some idiots still come up at point blank Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Dec 2005 20:35    Post subject:
Yeah, some gansta's come right up close and sort of dangle the gun in front of your face, I guess they think it makes you extra scared. I had some guy do that same thing with a knife, and he wanted my wallet. So, I hit him as hard as I could in the face and ran off. Stupid really, but it worked.


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