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| sabin1981 wrote: | It's amazing that we've reached a point where even on Hump people are criticised for.pirating games  |
I wouldn't take it as a joke. As we all know the times were changed since NFOHump's early '70's  Services like Spotify, Netflix, cheap key sites, VPN tricks, Adobe Cloud etc had definitely had an impact on piracy. I'm sure over the time right pricing for certain countries will 'fix' the problem because most of us would rather pay a bit and play without hassling with cracks/fixes/not playing at all.
When it comes to crappy AAA ports I don't see a point of pirating the game you don't like in the first place? If you do then 5€/$/whatever price might be justified? 
We are far from Doom topic so let's continue this in some other threads.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 15:22 Post subject: |
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When I pirate I mostly do it because I can/want to.
Couldn't care less about developers/publishers/indies/morality bullshit, etc.
If it's a game I really liked and the price is right I'll buy it after, almost always did. Because down the road I know I'll likely play it again.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 16:20 Post subject: |
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| DaLexy wrote: | | Its the same principle as some people dont buy anymore EA Games or Ubilol stuff. The point is that in the past almost every company tried to fuck people over with bad ports, crappy storys, buggy/unoptimized engines and so on. |
oh yeah i'm like this which is why i haven't bought or pirated an assassins creed game since 2. and why i never played diablo 3, etc.
it's not a principle thing, but if i mean to boycott something then i will boycott something and not even bother wasting time pirating it. because that's what boycotting means
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 16:34 Post subject: |
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LOL Are some of you butthurt ? Do whatever you want, i dont care. Buy on rls or with denuvo or whatever. But dont try to insult me in how i handle it like i do.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 17:04 Post subject: |
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Glory kills seem total bullshit to me, i guess on nightmare or whatever its the last difficulty, arent skipable?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 17:15 Post subject: |
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You have to do them. Its often the only way to get ammo and hp in combat
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 17:57 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | You have to do them. Its often the only way to get ammo and hp in combat |
Yeah and it also makes you feel like a bad ass.
Glory kills are great and it's not like it's a get out of jail free card as I've run into situations where I wish I didn't do a glory kill.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 18:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 21:35 Post subject: |
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Its okay guys, lets move on and talk about the game again
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 22:24 Post subject: |
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Thanks to konkol84,i was able to play & finish the game. It was a wild ride and overall a solid SP game.Ending was el bullshito grande but aside from that,i was impressed
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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold... |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 10:45 Post subject: |
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I mean you can play every game this year and buy zero of them as far as I'm concerned, just don't pretend like you're robin hood or something while you do it. You're stealing digital content. Even if there were legitimate complaints about Denuvo (there aren't) the "moral" response would be to just not touch it at all. I don't like VW's lying about emissions, but I'm not going to show my disdain for them by carjacking a 2017 model, I just won't buy from them.
I'm not saying piracy is evil or that pirates are horrible people or that I myself don't pirate games, only that you're fooling yourself if you think you pirate software because you have principles. Those two statements are literal contradictions to one another.
Just say, "I like free shit" and move on with your life.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 10:50 Post subject: |
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Did you really just made a "it's like stealing a car" analogy?
Really?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 11:55 Post subject: |
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You wouldn't download a car!
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 12:10 Post subject: |
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| prudislav wrote: | | Have to say it's concerning how many people are defending this without any real knowledge of how it works and outright saying there's no need to discuss it. Either it's a clear case of lack of interest / concern (aka "works fine for me, nothing else matters") or some other motive that I just can't figure out... |
Let's discuss it. Do you have any technical info you want to bring to the table? Or are you like that other idiot that just wants to spread FUD because he heard bullshit "from credible sources" (like reddit, cs.rin.ru)?
My tolerance of DRM is if it "just works" and doesn't hinder my experience. In both cases, Denuvo passes. It doesn't have the bullshit limited activations nonsense that was paul.dll (Securom?). It doesn't install rootkit and/or drivers like Starforce. It doesn't hinder performance. It just works.
If you have hard evidence to dispute any of these, please come out and share it. Don't be a FUD spreader. This is not reddit, albeit the quality of discussion here has stooped to that level over the last few years.
| sabin1981 wrote: | | It's amazing that we've reached a point where even on Hump people are criticised for.pirating games |
Not me. I support anyone's right to pirate. It's not "stealing". I'd be for anyone's right to download/print a car as well - that is not stealing. Stealing is taking something physical. But I would criticize someone saying a car is a bad car because it uses some material which cannot be 3D printed. That is ridiculous. |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 12:30 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | My tolerance of DRM is if it "just works" and doesn't hinder my experience. In both cases, Denuvo passes. It doesn't have the bullshit limited activations nonsense that was paul.dll (Securom?). It doesn't install rootkit and/or drivers like Starforce. It doesn't hinder performance. It just works. |
It actually does have activation restrictions and, worse, constant repeatable online authentication which locks access to the game you bought unless you're either online permanently or jump through hoops via an external tool.
You accept this, fine, but please stop telling others that it's blameless. The only way this isn't as intrusive as SecuROM and Starforce is that it doesn't, to our knowledge, install ring0 drivers. As for proof of performance hits? The whole protection runs inside a VM. Since when has that ever not come at a performance cost? GTAV uses a similar anti-tamper DRM and the bypasses still had it active, but the most recent crack completely removes that and there are plenty of reports, anecdotal or not, about improved performance subsequently. If you're looking for a Tom's or Anandtech breakdown of how the pirated copy runs better than the legitimate one, you're never going to get it because no gaming site would bite the hands that feed them by printing that.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 12:36 Post subject: |
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AAA publisher should release a top game, say, GTA VI () with absolutely no DRM whatsover. Maybe just on Steam.
Then check their profits compared to GTA V. I would be most interested to know how much of a difference there would be.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 12:51 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: |
It actually does have activation restrictions and, worse, constant repeatable online authentication which locks access to the game you bought unless you're either online permanently or jump through hoops via an external tool.
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is there an actual tool that allows offline activation of D?
Just wondering if it's even possible to game big D titles on a long vacation without the internet.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 12:53 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | My tolerance of DRM is if it "just works" and doesn't hinder my experience. In both cases, Denuvo passes. It doesn't have the bullshit limited activations nonsense that was paul.dll (Securom?). It doesn't install rootkit and/or drivers like Starforce. It doesn't hinder performance. It just works. |
It actually does have activation restrictions and, worse, constant repeatable online authentication which locks access to the game you bought unless you're either online permanently or jump through hoops via an external tool.
You accept this, fine, but please stop telling others that it's blameless. The only way this isn't as intrusive as SecuROM and Starforce is that it doesn't, to our knowledge, install ring0 drivers. As for proof of performance hits? The whole protection runs inside a VM. Since when has that ever not come at a performance cost? GTAV uses a similar anti-tamper DRM and the bypasses still had it active, but the most recent crack completely removes that and there are plenty of reports, anecdotal or not, about improved performance subsequently. If you're looking for a Tom's or Anandtech breakdown of how the pirated copy runs better than the legitimate one, you're never going to get it because no gaming site would bite the hands that feed them by printing that. |
As I said somewhere else, [Citation Needed]. It has activation restrictions? Could you please post some proof of that?
I don't care for Tom or Anand. There is enough tech community to do a proper analysis. None of that exists. Your statement of "VM" is as accurate as calling "LLVM" a "VM". The EXE doesn't run in a virtual machine in your traditional world view. The initialization is virtualized. So it may take the startup code a bit slower. This is hardly important. That's not the performance you are speaking about. Again, not understanding a tech is not bad in and of itself, but spreading bullshit from "credible" sources I will not tolerate. The reddit "master race" idiocy of spreading FUD should not be tolerated. There was the SSD bullshit, and there was performance bullshit, and there was modding bullshitm, then there was the keeps encrypting and decrypting in memory bullshit. None of these are substantiated by anything other than misunderstanding of the technology and intentionally incorrect FUD. |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 12:55 Post subject: |
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Not a tool, but Denuvo gives you a challenge key if you're offline e and you have to enter that on Denuvo's codefusion site in order to gain an activation key you enter into the game. It's the same restrictive offensive garbage from Securom since it's largely the same team, along with a few ex-sceners.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2016 12:58 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: |
Not me. I support anyone's right to pirate. It's not "stealing". I'd be for anyone's right to download/print a car as well - that is not stealing. Stealing is taking something physical. But I would criticize someone saying a car is a bad car because it uses some material which cannot be 3D printed. That is ridiculous. |
Except in this case, it's people saying they won't support a company using an intrusive or restrictive DRM but they are still willing to pirate it. I'd you want to use a car analogy, it's like saying they wouldn't buy a VW due to the pollution cheating but would still ride in one or loan a friend's car  There's a difference between boycotting and not financially supporting and many reasons are valid IMO. |
But let's look at what is actually happening. As usual with the hypocrisy here and reddit, people don't mind paying for Steam India and play Denuvo games for cheap. Or use Steam sharing to play it. They don't care one bit that there is Denuvo because it just works. So in this case, it's exactly the analogy you mentioned that is happening, they won't but the car /game/, but will load it from a friend /Steam family sharing/. |
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