Create "Valid Argumentation" thread under General?
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Create "Valid Argumentation" thread under General?
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paxsali
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 21:16    Post subject: Create "Valid Argumentation" thread under General?
Because of recent events under World News (actually it's almost always WN!) I came up with an idea...

How about we create a thread, propably under General, where we could take arguments/fights of shit people say, which would otherwise eat up the space in their original threads.

I don't believe I have to give examples, it's practically every "loaded" thread under World News, "Refugees", "Syria", "ISIS", "USA", ... etc. etc.

The topic is A), then someone always makes some outrageous statement, vaguely related to A) that simply goes on forever and ever until someone is banned or people just let it slide at some point or a Mod comes in and "cleans up" the thread, a lot of reasonable and valid posts are beings deleted as if they never existed which means a lot of time was wasted making them and all involved are non-the-wiser.

Forthermore such cleansing kinda posts a negative incentive, because biggits just blurb out their shit, if nobody says something, it sticks, if someone says something, it will be cleansed. I personally don't appreciate that thought.

Good idea? Bad idea? Not necessary? Don't care?

What you think?


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 21:19    Post subject:
I have no idea what you want, but i voted yes because i like you.


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paxsali
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 21:25    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 21:29    Post subject:
I want to add that with such a thread, there is a small chance that these outbreaks of conflicts ma y actually be resolved for once. And maybe that could have some lasting positive effect. Some learning effect perhaps Razz

I would also request that such a thread should at first be moderated differently, perhaps more 'lenient' would be the right word. So people can duke it out or something.

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By all those words you mean 'YES' ? Since when do you write whole sentences when you first answer paxis threads? Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 21:31    Post subject:
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couleur
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 21:51    Post subject:
I voted yes because I want to witness valid argumentations for once.

We should also create an "invalid argumentation / paralogisms" thread in UV. That should keep the bigots out of WN.

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paxsali
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 21:57    Post subject:
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couleur
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 22:08    Post subject:
How about "General debates" or "the debates thread"?


"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 22:09    Post subject:
@Pax, does this mean you will write huge walls of text in that thread ? Razz Wink


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paxsali
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 22:17    Post subject:
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Mr.Tinkles




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 22:17    Post subject:
Yes....because I can. I also flipped a coin and it landed on tails.


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th May 2016 23:36    Post subject:
Yes, yes or ban plz


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 02:11    Post subject:
Pax wants a place he can spew his 500 page bully bating posts and not get banned for it. Vote NO and do something nicer like raise some money so he can see someone about his issues.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 02:33    Post subject:
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Mr.Tinkles




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 09:46    Post subject:
Some people really got triggered here.... Laughing

Yeah, I guess it's bullying now when you don't agree with someone and post a long and well contructed argument instead of "Hey man, respek my opinionz!". Laughing


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xxax
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 09:56    Post subject:
Will it keep VGA and you from arguing in every single thread in WN? If so i will vote yes.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 10:09    Post subject:
xxax wrote:
Will it keep VGA and you from arguing in every single thread in WN? If so i will vote yes.

I'm sorry for that, dude, I will be mostly ignoring him from now on, this shit has gone on long enough. It's not like we are discussing the matter at hand, it turns into an "internet fight" over technicalities and usage of words which benefits noone except bait-trolls.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 10:46    Post subject:
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 11:58    Post subject:
Mr.Tinkles wrote:
Some people really got triggered here.... Laughing

Yeah, I guess it's bullying now when you don't agree with someone and post a long and well contructed argument instead of "Hey man, respek my opinionz!". Laughing


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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 12:02    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
moosenoodles wrote:
Pax wants a place he can spew his 500 page bully bating posts and not get banned for it.


It's funny how the only guys who accuse me of "bully baiting" are the same guys who accuse others of being "triggered" on "politically incorrect" statements. Oh the irnoy...

And it's also kinda self-revealing to call it "bully baiting", because it kinda admits that there's some wrong going on with the statements I criticize.

moosenoodles wrote:
Vote NO and do something nicer like raise some money so he can see someone about his issues.


Laughing If you vote NO nothing will change. Everything will stay the same. Laughing


I would not go as far to say it is an accusation pax, it is more a fact of the slippery underhanded way you like to take your stab at people to satisfy ones arragont self. Allowing you to be even more obnoxious in a thread that could be deemed safe from reprisals, will only fuel your sick mind even further and make you if possible even more arrogant.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 12:15    Post subject:
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couleur
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 12:22    Post subject:
^ I agree as long as its not an armada of smilies and memes and personal insults.


Also, when does the polling stop? Did you set a limit? Or are you secretly waiting for people to say no because you know you will lose every debate anyway? Cool Face


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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 12:25    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
moosenoodles wrote:
..., it is more a fact of the slippery underhanded way you like to take your stab at people to satisfy ones arragont self.


I think the entire section after the comma is psychological projection.

I am as clear and straigh forward with the statements I criticize as one can be.

moosenoodles wrote:
Allowing you to be even more obnoxious in a thread that could be deemed safe from reprisals, will only fuel your sick mind even further and make you if possible even more arrogant.


Thank you for raising concern about me getting "more arrogant".

What you describe as "allowing one to be more obnoxious" I see as freedom of expression.

Someone says something, if I don't object to it I ignore, if I object to it I call it out for bullshit.

Deal with it.


Objecting to something should not immediately be called out for bullshit, but if you are just playing on the being called arragont part then your humor is boring now, if that is not the case then you have just displayed that your whole intentions are to deem anything you do not agree with utter nonsense wether it is or not. Your psych evaluation seems to be progressing here by your own doing.

Psychological projections will happen if you are not who you really are with your replies to posts, some I am sure find it utterly amazing how someone with such moronic and arragont attitudes towards people here actually get along in the real day to day runnings of your life. You are without a doubt, projected or not it seems to me, an utter horrible being to even deal with. It does on the other hand stand a good chance that you are the typical unhappy individual that gets his kicks from all of this, or you do not deal well without face to face interaction and this is the only part of you we see because of this.

You might try to not be so "accurate" should we say with your walls of text and relax a little more, you don't have to keep showing the superior card attitude to be liked you know, or is being more "average" for everyone a little below you?
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 12:29    Post subject:
If anyone is projecting it's the one with an inferiority complex.


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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 13:45    Post subject:
Mr.Tinkles wrote:
If anyone is projecting it's the one with an inferiority complex.


My point exactly, you two have major problems. There are many other well written and clever people here on the hump like say pumpy, he is certainly just as smart as others and yet does not feel the need ( at least in the open we should probably say here ) to be as ugly as a poster as you and pax. Ugly fucking mentality.

As said earlier, take it down a notch or two and these boards would be a nicer place to be.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 13:47    Post subject:
Thank you for proving my point. Very Happy


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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 13:48    Post subject:
Mr.Tinkles wrote:
Thank you for proving my point. Very Happy


No, thank YOU for proving MY point. Very Happy

Down a notch or two, remember that now.
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paxsali
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 14:38    Post subject:
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couleur
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th May 2016 14:43    Post subject:
Glad to be of help.

You can still create a thread in GC you know. For future debates.

It is a better solution than to have the original threads go out of hand, with us deleting posts overreaching abusing tyrannising limiting free speech and keep the threads clean.


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