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DXWarlock
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I have, I argue with my hippy/conspiracy theory loving/'you all are sheeple' spouting friend that smokes it all day around her kids and other peoples kids.
Because she has that fallacy argument of "Its just a plant, mother earth knows what we need, its all natural"..so is belladonna, opium, night shade, coca plants and a host of other plants. Just because you like it, and its not synthetic crack or meth doesn't mean all natural = healthy.
So far any research on any plant that you burn and inhale into your lungs fucks them up and your body. Why would this one be any different just because you like the way it makes you feel?
Studies into it point to that it has many of the same carcinogens as tobacco when smoked, and the pattern of the studies done into it follow the same path studies into tobacco lead to 30 years ago. All of them repeat the same sentiment: "its definitely not the healthiest thing you can do, and very high probability its linked to many physically caused aliments and issues"
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/cancers-in-general/cancer-questions/does-smoking-cannabis-cause-cancer
http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/respiratoryeffects.htm
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201102/does-marijuana-cause-cancer
Of all the studies done, not one actually says "Its not harmful at all, its actually heather to smoke it than not". Everyone of them agree more research needs to be done to conclusively say, but outlook looks grim as all results so far point to what they suspect.
And I smoke 2 pack a day, I'm the last to judge on what anyone does. Hell if you want to smoke crack be my guest.
Just dont downplay its apparent risks on what you smoke, because you enjoy it and its a plant you can grow.
And do you really want to take your scientific and medical advice from a site that's called "Wake Up World" and has articles like:
The Language of Nature – The Trees Will Teach You Telepathy
The Importance of a Kidney Cleansing Diet
You Know the Benefits of Meditation – But What Are the Pitfalls?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2016 17:46 Post subject: |
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You know that this thread is not about THC, right? CBD is taken is as an oil, spray or via vaper... not smoked.
Thinking something must be healthy, because its natural, is of course bullshit. THC is toxic, can be overdosed and cause mental illnesses (like schizophrenia). CBD is non-toxic and cannot be overdosed, just for comparison.
But ultimately everything needs balance in life, id say.
Edit: 3rd study that proofs cbd can heal seizures in kids
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/debate-3rd-study-5-months-shows-cannabis-defeats-kids-seizures/
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2016 18:13 Post subject: |
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OH yea, just got derailed over the topic because like I said first thing people see is "Weed does something good people say" and jump all over it like they are defending a child of theirs against bad press. Not so much the people here, but people online in general.
If it was an extract or comparable cousin to the main active agent in crack or meth, they wouldn't do that. But its their "Buddy" weed people are talking about here.
And I do agree, it probably has its uses. But I highly doubt it does all that everyone says it does, or even a fraction of it. Looking around at the links you provided, and others. People are making ALL kinds of claims.
Found a video of a guy saying he had "Eye cancer" (no actual diagnosis other than himself on it) and a few drops into his eye cured it in a week.
Then like my friend, some reviews contradict each other, One says it helped with insomnia, while another claims it helps keep them mentally alert and awake. Others claim it helps stop X while others claims it helped induce X.
I see it same all the other things people was curious about that didn't turn out to do anywhere near as much as the claimed:
Snake oil, Electrically in the late 1800's to early 1900, Radiation, Soda drinks, Radio waves..ect.
All of them before actual concrete evidence came out about their medical usefulness has a whole cult of people saying it cured anything from the common cold, to cancer and blindness.
I think a lot of it follows that same line of logic, that factual evidence be damned, my desire for it to work facilitates the ability of it to.
From my point of view, if people claim something cures: Cancer, bad eyesight, joint pain, insomnia, ADHD, depression, anxiety, loss of appetite, itchy skin, heart disease, lung disease, freckles, bowel problems arthritis (and about 20 other things I can find) All just based on large groups of single testimonials, the claims validity, even if a few are correct, get diluted in the wave of bullshit optimism of others.
It does sound a bit like a craze that has happened so many time before over so many things.
If it is shown to do all that on day, I will be blown away and go "Well damn they did find a cure all drug".
But until then I'm falling back tried and 99% true (so far) of "Oh this hoopla again, do people not learn from the other 50 things in the last 200 years they said did all that?"
Which isnt a bad thing, it takes all types. Lump me into the skeptical group of people that hear something and say "Really? Prove it" that pushes people to actually test and prove things to advance mankind vs just taking everything at face value 
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2016 18:32 Post subject: |
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See this is where you keep getting it mixed up.
You take a few studies that confirm each other on shady sites like Wake Up World, and this site about govt overreach, tinfoil hat 'rebellion',thats About us that says: "It is the mission of the Free Thought Project to foster the creation and expansion of liberty minded solutions to modern day tyrannical oppression".
Is that really the place you'd look for unbiased results of a scientific/medical nature? That article cherry picked 3 cases (using emotion quotes too from parents to try to further medical proof) out of many done to try to imply its definitive proof of it.
While the outlook on its uses for epilepsy ARE promising, proven is FAR from the word that should be used.
VS actually looking at sites that are trying to be medically, morally, and objectively unbiased because the subject at hand is their only subject..like the actual epilepsy foundations information on it:
http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epilepsy/other-treatment-approaches/medical-marijuana-and-epilepsy
You(and/or they) are jumping the gun taking only the results that favor the outcome wanted to make a point. The desire for it to be true is causing a cognitive bias is all it is.
EDIT: Im in NO way saying having hope is a bad thing. If it wasn't for it people wouldn't be pushed to test it.
It takes both our types, those that want it to be true like you, and those like me that want it proven if it is, to push it into being actually know if it does.
But to over reach into confirmed/proven when it hasn't been, only promising preliminary results are found, is a danger mindset to have.
Its what caused people to die of radiation poisoning after radiation was discovered, when they thought it could cure a whole list of things and went in with "Well a few studies of it being hopeful is good enough for me to go get radiated." People was DRINKING dangerously radiated water from bottles, because a few less than scrupulous first round studies said it was the best thing on earth.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Apr 2016 19:55 Post subject: |
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I actually cant debate much, i mean there are sources on the net, studys, testimonials, etc. You can try it, say its not for you or its working and maybe even a miracle cure.
I personally dont win anything from that. I just think the internet´s a place to share information... theres a lot of garbage, as we all know. We can just find out by reading a lot and ultimately try it out ourselves.
Personally, im happy that someone shared the info, so i can benefit from it... and if im benefiting, i feel its my duty to share it for others.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Apr 2016 23:49 Post subject: |
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So...this went from a "No no its totally interesting just because of the medical benefits", to a discussion about its a pleasant surprise how well it still gets you high?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Apr 2016 19:15 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | | So...this went from a "No no its totally interesting just because of the medical benefits", to a discussion about its a pleasant surprise how well it still gets you high? |
Nope, cbd wont make you high. If anyone talks about getting high, then theres probably thc involved.
Although... cbd can make you very relaxed, which could be called a high, if you like so.
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