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| vurt wrote: | I'm far from a fanboy, i'm not even gonna purchase Vive, but when people straight out make up stupid shit and have never even used either unit i have to say something.
Your logic of resolution is beyond flawed, it's not how resolution works. Do you mean the resolution of your screen changes if you use a pair of cups to look at the middle of the screen? Of course it doesnt. You can see the whole area clearly with the DK2, no blur.. you havent even tried it and you are making up things.
Also, even if there would be blur that does not decrease resolution in any way, blur is one thing resolution is a completely different thing. |
No no no no no. This has nothing to do with trying the device no matter how hard you try to convince me. Pixels are pixels - you can't magically have a sharp image if the center of the eye can only SEE more or less 600x600 pixels sharply. Take a look at a screenshot with a HUD and then select that area and see how big it is - they place the hud in such a way that it remains sharp at the edge of your view so you know that anything outside of it, will be unsharp. You'll see I'm right - otherwise, why not push the HUD further out?
Also, having two 600x600 screens overlapping does NOT make it sharper - that's silly. It will make it fuzzier if anything.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 14:15 Post subject: |
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| red_avatar wrote: | | vurt wrote: | I'm far from a fanboy, i'm not even gonna purchase Vive, but when people straight out make up stupid shit and have never even used either unit i have to say something.
Your logic of resolution is beyond flawed, it's not how resolution works. Do you mean the resolution of your screen changes if you use a pair of cups to look at the middle of the screen? Of course it doesnt. You can see the whole area clearly with the DK2, no blur.. you havent even tried it and you are making up things.
Also, even if there would be blur that does not decrease resolution in any way, blur is one thing resolution is a completely different thing. |
No no no no no. This has nothing to do with trying the device no matter how hard you try to convince me. Pixels are pixels - you can't magically have a sharp image if the center of the eye can only SEE more or less 600x600 pixels sharply. Take a look at a screenshot with a HUD and then select that area and see how big it is - they place the hud in such a way that it remains sharp at the edge of your view so you know that anything outside of it, will be unsharp. You'll see I'm right - otherwise, why not push the HUD further out?
Also, having two 600x600 screens overlapping does NOT make it sharper - that's silly. It will make it fuzzier if anything. |
They arent 600x600 screens in the first place and no, it wont make it fuzzy when combined, again, you speak without having even tried or having any type of logic or even a source to back up your absolutely ridiculous claims.
There are many different techniques for how pixels comes off on a screen. Below is just one example (the comparison is between a mobile device screen and Oculus CV1):
This shows how imporant the Pixel Fill Factor is. And this is just one of many different aspects of how pixels are perceived. Resolution on the other hand, that's a whole different thing, you seem to think it's the same, it's absolutely not.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 14:34 Post subject: |
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@vurt
Think he's also forgetting pixel density.
Such as a 1080 phone screen vs a 1080 50" TV.
Both have the same number of pixels but one has a much higher density. You put one of them 6" from your face vs the other 6" from your face and you will definitely see one is HUGE pixels comparatively.
I've seen people on other review comments use that exact example "Resolution isnt high enough at all! if I pushed my monitor on my face I could see each pixel clearly" Sure, but you're forgetting your spreading 1200 pixels over 24 inches, not 4 inches, each pixel on your monitor is roughly 36 times the size (6 to the power of 2).
While i dont expect the first gen of a new tech to appear like an I-Max theater clarity experience. To compare a pixel to pixel as relatively the same size based on the resolution set is apples to oranges...or well oranges to tangerines. They are the same fruit family, but different characteristics.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 14:45 Post subject: |
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Yes, like i said, there are many aspects.
Again, i totally get it that some people can't afford this (or for other reasons won't buy the first consumer versions). But it gets very ridiculous when some people try to make up shit to justify why they wont buy it. Lies are not needed. This tech will advance and CV2 of both Rift and Vive will obviously be better, so yes you will be even more blown away if you wait 2-4 years, that's a fact.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 15:02 Post subject: |
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I agree, I dont dispute that its not going to be all that anyone could wish for, on the first iteration of it.
I see it like the first cell phones in the 80's. it's going to be less than what people dreamed of as the 'ultimate cordless phone', basic functions are there, and a proof that it can be done.
And a play toy for those that want to experience the less than 100% polished and streamlined concept.
I think a lot people forget how bad 'first' tech of anything was compared to what we have now. I mean look at the first: Flat screen monitors, cell phones, 3d dedicated cards, GPS, microwaves, DVRs..well anything 'new' not done before.
It's like people in the 80's looking at the brick cell phones: "What? $1000 for that?? I mean its huge, heavy, works for about 2 hours before dead, cost outrageous to call anyone, and coverage is horrible."
Or looking at the first flat screens: "$600 for the same resolution with ugly pixels I can see, ghosting problems, uneven lighting, horrible view angles".
Sure, its the first time it was made, pick your choice: Wait until its cheap and better and get one if you want it, or pay out the nose to get the 'rough' prototype commercial ones. Don't complain you want both 'right now'.
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| Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 00:17 Post subject: |
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| OrignalSpaceJockey wrote: | YES YES YES YES!!!! I refreshed the HTC Vive order page until i got an april ship date 
Even live chatted with support and he confirmed it! YES!!!!!!!
Time to cancel the previous "May" order... |
How long did it take you? |
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While fulfilling this week's orders for HTC Vive, a limited number of individuals were affected by auto cancellations due to processing issues with financial institutions. We're actively working to resolve this, and have already reinstated orders for some customers. We want to assure our customers that we'll work with them to process their payment so they can receive their Vive when they were expecting it. If you pre-ordered a Vive, we encourage you to contact your financial institution to notify them of upcoming charges.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 14:46 Post subject: |
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I will give you a totally objective review when i have them both. I promise, totally objective.
Im actually looking forward to the Vive more than the Rift. It used to be the other way around.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 14:58 Post subject: |
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| OrignalSpaceJockey wrote: | I will give you a totally objective review when i have them both. I promise, totally objective.
Im actually looking forward to the Vive more than the Rift. It used to be the other way around. |
I'm looking forward to both. They are different solutions the the same problem.
So vive will be games that fit well inside the walk around area, using it as much as possible. While the Rift will either be seated VR, or full 'Walk Around" VR using controls to move. As doing that on the Vive for actually going places would seem counterproductive to people for the reason of having it (as they can only walk so far, and to sit down to walk with a controller kinda defeats the purpose).
Im sure both can do both as they shown the vive works well sitting down, and rift has a decent area in its cone. But each has its 'niche' difference that the first gene of games will try to emphasis on.
So looking forward to both, but for different reasons. I'm not always going to want to play games that require wandering around my room to look at a limited area, and other times maybe not want games that make it a seated centric game.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 15:18 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | OrignalSpaceJockey wrote: | Destructoid review up:
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wut
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 15:20 Post subject: |
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I placed an order this Saturday when it showed an April delivery.
I just received an email confirming order will be delivered in April part 2. Expect delivery within the next two weeks! Awesome.
Which one will I keep? When do you get both @Spacejockey
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