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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 13:25 Post subject: Old laptop |
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A friend of mine has his really really old laptop (like close to 10 years old) running windows 7 but the system takes close to 4 minutes to boot and I guess a format and reinstallation of windows is just. Now the question is if he should go for win7 or win10.
Dell Vostro 1500
Core2Duo
1 or 2GB RAM
GeForce 8xxxM
160GB HDD
(I read that there might be USB issues with win10, but can't I just install the win7/8 drivers in win10?)
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 13:41 Post subject: |
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We are surprised too and I don't think that he'd want to invest any money into this miraculously working laptop.. it only works on the power supply and there is a vertical line going through all of the screen ok so... win 10 should work? I don't even know if that laptop can boot from usb which I would greatly prefer to an installation from dvd :/
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 13:56 Post subject: |
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usb should work fine too, its core2duo generation already. was nothing special that time to boot from any usb device.
why 10? there shouldnt be a driver problem, even the 8xxxM has up2date drivers fro 10 and cause a fresh w7 sp1 install would need about 24-48hrs on that old ass thing to completely download and install everybody updates including several reboots
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 13:58 Post subject: |
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Yeah, coincidentally I was reading an article by golem today were they were talking about reinstalling windows 7... and I'd personally recommend him win 10 too as there are basically no downsides compared to 7 as far as I am concerned...
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 14:22 Post subject: |
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PumpAction wrote: | We are surprised too and I don't think that he'd want to invest any money into this miraculously working laptop.. it only works on the power supply and there is a vertical line going through all of the screen ok so... win 10 should work? I don't even know if that laptop can boot from usb which I would greatly prefer to an installation from dvd :/ |
Almost everything boots from USB via Plop Boot Manager
https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/download.html
And here a quick how-to
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16822/boot-from-a-usb-drive-even-if-your-bios-wont-let-you/
Basically it is
- Burn ISO
- Boot from CD
- Select USB boot option

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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 16:03 Post subject: |
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right, but i only use plop for vms ^^
but as i said: most likely no problem to directly boot any usb device. and for one install its not that time wasting to use a dvd to install
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 16:10 Post subject: |
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Just install Win 8.1 or 10, you/he will notice a much faster booting.
I noticed it myself with my older Notebook with only a HDD. With Win7 booting would take ~1:30min. With Win8.1 it was ~15secs.
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 17:28 Post subject: |
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Will do. Any windows release you can recommend? To upgrade his legal win 7 we'd need to upgrade and you can't do a fresh install that way 
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 17:34 Post subject: |
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i think you can do a upgrade and after that do a fresh install and it should activate you automaticly because of your hardware id.
also it should be possible to directly install it with your old windows 7/8/8.1 key by now. they changed this some time ago if i remember correctly so actually you dont need to do the upgrade anymore.
if he doesnt want to use the store and all i can recommend the enterprise LTSB edition which is basically windows 10 without the bloatware. but for activation you need a KMS tool, or MAK code which are hard to find or of course a legit bought code (only for businesses)
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 17:40 Post subject: |
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nanana, no upgrade needed
just use a newer image (redownload the media creation tool, should include cumulative updates till feb too, but important is that its the november release of th2 1511) and type in the key in the setup. will accept it just fine (note -> you have to do this in the setup, no change to activate a installed version of windows 10 afterwards with a 7 key)
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 17:47 Post subject: |
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then i would take this method instead of that crappy media creation tool. (only for home, pro if you want enterprise ltsb i can give you links in pm)
select edition > windows 10 > language > 32bit/64bit and iso will download
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbench
use this tool to make bootable usb stick (just 4 easy steps and official from ms, works well for many years)
http://wudt.codeplex.com/
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 17:49 Post subject: |
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techbench images are afaik not up2date, th2 1511 yes, but no newer stuff included
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 18:08 Post subject: |
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but there is no difference between those things. media creation tool downloads the .esd and builds an image from it, techbench stuff are just precreated images from the (maybe old) esd
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 18:14 Post subject: |
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the difference is that i read many times from people who had problems with those files created from media creation tool. maybe because they were too stupid... i don't know but i won't risk it. why change the method if it's still working like this like you used to do it in the last years.
just to get 1-2 more updates included in the iso? nah not for me. as long as the newest huge update is included and the iso is not 2 years old im fine
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 19:24 Post subject: |
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My Mom has a Lenovo Laptop with a C2D and I got her an SSD and installed Win 8.1 on it last year and its really still good enough for everything. Installed it via USB.
My gf has a MacBook with a C2D and I got her an SSD one-two years ago aswell and the thing runs the latest iteration of OSX just fine.
Of cours you're not going to do alot more than your usual Office and browsing.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2016 14:09 Post subject: |
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Hmm ok this is going to be done in the upcoming days... can I just put the latest win10 iso on a usb stick and boot from it?
And I suppose that his win7 key might be an old pirate version... so can he legally activate win10 with it? Or what should he do to have a proper activated win10?
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Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2016 14:53 Post subject: |
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yes, just grab the latest iso with the media creation tool for example (make sure to download the latest version to get the latest image files from it) and put it on a stick (either with that media creation tool directly or first create iso image and then use rufus or universtalusbinstaller). boot from it, type in the old 7 key (make sure to get the right image or delete the ei.cfg in sources dir on the stick to make a edition choice appear during install), everything till home premium -> win 10 home, 7 prof and ultimate -> win 10 prof)
if its a non legit key the setup might not accept it. in that case just skip the key stuff and activate it later with the ms toolkit
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Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2016 15:11 Post subject: |
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ms toolkit? 
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Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2016 15:19 Post subject: |
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freiwald wrote: | then i would take this method instead of that crappy media creation tool. (only for home, pro if you want enterprise ltsb i can give you links in pm)
select edition > windows 10 > language > 32bit/64bit and iso will download
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbench
use this tool to make bootable usb stick (just 4 easy steps and official from ms, works well for many years)
http://wudt.codeplex.com/ |
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Posted: Wed, 20th Apr 2016 15:25 Post subject: |
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thank you guys 
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