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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Feb 2016 17:58    Post subject:
haha right, japan will just go back to full isolation mode before that happens.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Feb 2016 18:07    Post subject:
Time for Japan to implement the Sibyl System!
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PostPosted: Sat, 20th Feb 2016 01:22    Post subject:
Yuri wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/02/17/in-the-battle-of-internet-mobs-vs-the-law-the-internet-mobs-have-won/


Funny article - shows how pathetic the media has become.

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By all accounts, Zoe Quinn — the 28-year-old video game developer

Someone who makes a very simplistic game using a games creation kit aimed at kids is NOT a game developer.

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Quinn and her family had been deluged by threats so severe that Quinn fled her home in Boston, afraid for her life.

Yeah she pulled a nice scam there - love how they're all fleeing their homes to get attention yet have no issue with doxxing others when they get a chance.

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Gjoni’s online “hate mob,” as Quinn described it to a municipal judge that September,

Except it's not his hate mob - she brought it upon herself by the way she acted after the news got out - and when news got uncovered of more shitty stuff she did in the past.


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unearthed her address and old nude photos

You mean "found her nude photoshoot which were freely available online"? Article makes it sound as if they were private nude shots and it was a breach of privacy.

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hacked her website, promised to kill and rape her, and placed multiple threatening calls to her father’s home in upstate New York — all of which Quinn had meticulously documented and organized in evidentiary zip-drive folders.

Of course she did - it's Patreon gold.

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The court case had made her ex something of an online celebrity, a role he gleefully embraced, and the hate mob had only grown bolder.

Utterly bullshit. Her ex has been weary of interviews and got pretty much slammed world-wide by the media - yes, he's been a victim of bullying too but hey, it's easier to make him a monster, right? All the interviews he's given so far, were to correct nonsense the media had been saying (including refuting the lies Quinn has said in response).

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that the legal system couldn’t, or wouldn’t, ever really protect her from the Internet hordes.

The police has and will provide protection if there's a reason to. All the threats these feminazis-in-distress have been waving about, were deemed unfounded by the police and even FBI so far - but the media knows better, right? Especially since a year and a half later, no-one EVER came up to Quinn to even as much as shake a fist at her.

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Undisputed is the fact that the pair met online in late 2013, then — after a tumultuous six months or so — broke up in July 2014. Both claim to have felt abused or wronged by the other, but only Gjoni published the details online.

Laughing Yeah her talking shit about him all over the media while Gjoni isn't ever taken seriously is her taking the moral high ground, right? Also, of course she felt abused AFTER he published all that stuff. Before that, she clearly treated him like shit and fucked around left and right.

Also pretty funny how the article keeps quoting random trolls to further add more bias to the story. Very one-sided, isn't it?

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Gjoni promptly began soliciting funds online for his legal defense, which drew further attention and outrage to the ambiguous online movement.

Yeah let's draw attention to the amount Gjoni collected while Quinn got WAY more from donations including $50.000 a year from Patreon alone! You got to love how they make it sound shady when he does it, but when Quinn abuses her situation to make money, it's OK.

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Anita Sarkeesian, a longtime feminist game critic and friend of Quinn’s, went into hiding after Gamergate began passing around her full name and address.

Yeah and evidence pointed at her faking the whole thing so she'd get more donations too.

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The Massachusetts attorney general investigated one man who tweeted, among other things, that he “personally sniped” 41 insurgents in Iraq, and was going to shoot Wu next.

Dear lord, they actually took a massive troll message seriously that was so obviously fake that only a moron would consider it real?

But yeah, this article is a giant joke. It's horribly one-sided and glosses over all the shit she pulled that made the whole situation blow up. Her pulling strings to get half a dozen sites writing "gamers are dead" articles for one.
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PostPosted: Sat, 20th Feb 2016 01:44    Post subject:
Ahahhaha they took the sniper troll copy pasta as real? Laughing Laughing Laughing

Someone notify the Veteran Association, let's find this guy... Laughing
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Feb 2016 21:37    Post subject:


They've probably set some kind of record with the like/dislike ratio.

I'd make a joke thread about this amehzing show in the appropriate section if I wasn't lazy.
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BettyShikle




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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 08:02    Post subject:
Fell for the sniper meme and bawwww`s on SyFy because the internet yells back if you act like a twat on Twitter Laughing


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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold...
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 16:06    Post subject:
http://www.syfy.com/theinternetruinedmylife/photos/the-internet-ruined-their-lives

It sure is fiction, but I still don't understand what it's doing on SyFy. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 16:11    Post subject:


Holy fuck Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 18:13    Post subject:
Holy Fuck indeed Shocked . How can SJWs be so utterly blind to what a money grabbing attention whore she is? If you really believe in your cause, you don't fucking ask for such astronomical numbers for a single evening of speaking. For fucks sake, she doesn't even NEED to ask for money since her donations are enough to live from!
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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 18:53    Post subject:
What I find even more insane than the sum itself is the fact that there are institutions actually willing to pay it Sad Laughing

We need to start our own KS before the golden era runs off, addressing the severe lack of male leads in video games, and finally replace that offensive Lara Croft with Nate Croft. While we're at it, we can start selling air for $100 per liter too and see if we can make up our wages!
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Feb 2016 08:02    Post subject:
i will even prance around in that nate croft outfit, for the cause, no fucks given.
lets do it guise Me Gusta
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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Feb 2016 09:48    Post subject:
Jesus, now I want to become a Sarkeesian too.


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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Feb 2016 19:03    Post subject:
Like i have said it from the beginning, it is only business for the main few "leaders". I can't even be that mad at them, the ones i hate are the sheep who just follow her shit and can't see that its just money for her. To get 20k per speech for spreading this BS + patreon and other incomes, she is swimming in the money.
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Feb 2016 16:54    Post subject:
Smallwurstmann is certainly a special snowflake these days.

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Back in my day, if someone was pissed off about a game translation, they learned Japanese and started importing instead of whining forever.


And a bunch of other nonsense. All in the name of defending his hairy "friends" that are doing God's work censoring games and inserting memes into said games. Gotta keep the 30 year old kids away from the scary stuffs. Like cooties.

Also, here's a great article by a guy working at The Chinese Room.



Walking simulators breed stupidity apparently.
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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Feb 2016 17:12    Post subject:
He seems a tad offended, oh noes Sad Laughing
I'm not the biggest kojima fan but reducing all his work to that... fuck off with your shitty walking simulators dan


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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Feb 2016 17:12    Post subject:
Well written but still full of glaring flaws. It's funny how he uses the word "we" a lot. "We have to just not stand up for what we believe in".

Not to mention that games try to mimic society - if society has racism and sexism, games should too or you end up with a Star Trek game where every thing is PC, sterile and boring. Where enemies are only allowed to be white male Americans or Brits. Yeaaaah ... no. Let devs make the games they want and let the gaming public decide which games they want to buy. If devs lose sales because their games are sexist, then they'll act on it. If they don't lose sale, then clearly people care more about the game than about perceived sexism, right?
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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Feb 2016 05:19    Post subject:
Can someone put in a spoiler what is up with that Quiet character and why she's dressed like a hoe and doing that sexy dance etc?

Because I will not be playing any MGS game ever, don't like them.
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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Feb 2016 06:04    Post subject:
well to put it bluntly, as i`m sure you and many others are not aware - quiet among with everyone else in mgs lore is a fucking anime character! much like snake is the sexiest, best looking, mucho man - quiet is a sexy hoe.

Simple. in rules of anime, you`re either hot or you`re really fucking disgusting.

But story wise... it`s lol. but it`s mgs lol. it makes sense in the mgs universe. people are just being dip shits because there never really were over-sexualized female characters in video games before mgs 5. Especially in games that originated in japan. Before that they were all modest and dressed well and were empowered.

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That's that. Don't bother looking into it. for a mgs game it makes sense. For idiots looking for reasons to call sexism - it's just a ploy to have her tits hang out.


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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Feb 2016 09:27    Post subject:
cirithungol wrote:
https://medium.com/@markankucic/what-i-learned-as-feminist-critic-sandy-beaches-f1ee45a7e0aa#.dt4klahh8

Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2016 09:53    Post subject:
Reponse to the UN's recent stupidity

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Our Formal Opinion on the UN Committee for the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women's "Protecting Women's Rights in Japan - Proposal to Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence"

Introduction:

This year, on February 16th, 2016 the UN Committee for the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women held a "Protecting Women's Rights in Japan" conference. We would like to share our opinion on the "Proposal to Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence."

Opinion Summary:

We are absolutely in agreement that the protection of the rights of women in Japan is important. On the other hand, we think it should be carefully and seriously evaluated whether the measures taken to ensure those protections are valid ones or not. If we are asked to consider whether "Protecting Women's Rights in Japan" requires us to "Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence," then we must reply that that is an absolute "no."

Reasons for Our Opinion:

Reason #1 - The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.

Reason #2 - In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves. If we were to "ban the sale of manga that includes sexual violence," it would do the opposite and instead create a new avenue of sexism toward women.

Detailed Explanation of Reasons:

About Reason #1 - It goes without saying that the rape and other crimes of actual real people who experience sexual acts from partners without consent is an actual violation of their rights concerning sexual violence and should obviously be forbidden by law, and that it's necessary to protect and support victims. However, the figures in manga and video games are creative fictions that do not actually exist, and thus this is not a violation of any real person's human rights. We should focus on attacking the problems that affect real women's human rights as quickly as possible.

About Reason #2 - In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves.

Already in the 70s there were women-focused manga magazines and many talented women manga writers came from them.

In this way, before the Equal Opportunity Employment Act for Men and Women passed in 1986, there was already a space where women flourished and had established the "shoujo manga" genre. And of course, within women's manga, sometimes the topic was of romance and sex.

Among the manga for women in our country, there were titles that took up the history of women's sexual exploitation and slavery. "The Cliff For Those Would Be Parents" by Fumiko Sone was one such work. Against the backdrop of the real history, it is a work that paints the life of a girl who lived in poverty and was sold into service as a prostitute for the Bakusai Harem in Hokkaido's Muroran, and how she lives through the experience.

For the people who live in these times, it is manga like this that creates an opportunity for people to imagine the pain of women living in that era. However, because this work contains depictions of sexual violence, if we employed a ban on the sale of "manga that depicted sexual violence," it would go out of print and eventually people would lose that chance.

If we were asked to give similar examples of manga that would go out of print and be unavailable if the ban on sales of "manga that depicted sexual violence" were in effect, there would be no end to the examples we could give, but "The Poem of the Wind and the Trees" by Keiko Takemiya and "BANANA FISH" by Akimi Yoshida would probably be listed among the examples. (Note that while both listed works contain sexual violence toward men, sexual violence is not a problem limited to only women, and therefore should not be treated as exclusively a women's rights issue.)

In this way, it can be predicted that if we were to ban the sale of "manga that depicts sexual violence," a great deal of publishers would cease publication of a huge amount of works. In the creative field of manga, the effect would be that women who have worked so hard to create a place for vibrant careers would have that place shrink right in front of them, as well as have their efforts negated. In addition, if we were to put ourselves in the places of manga readers the chance to know about the history of the sexual exploitation of women would be lost, as well as a method for them to come to know about it. If the creative fields of manga were attacked, trampled on and destroyed with such prejudice, it would damage not only the women manga writers, but also spread to other women creators in the field, as well as the female readers. This would be a sexist punishment that only narrows the career possibilities of Japan's women.

It is noted that on the other hand when it comes to "manga that depicts sexual violence" a certain segment of people are going to find it unpleasant. Nevertheless, to ban expression and commerce unilaterally based on feelings of whether or not something is unpleasant, or viewpoints on what should be moral, is a practice not to be condoned. The basis for feelings about what is or is not repulsive, and moral viewpoints, will differ based on the individual or their region and that culture's segmented local society. The basis for the values in Local Society A and the basis for the values in Local Society B are not necessarily going to match.Therefore it stands to reason to suddenly use one local society's standards as the standards of a society as a whole would only prompt a massacre of discord in conflicting values among the people in the greater society.

If we are to aim for the smooth operation of society as a whole, then there might be workarounds we can implement so that a certain type of person can avoid suddenly running into "unpleasant expressions" they don't want to see, but these should be limited to regulations in zoning and circulation only. We should not ban any manga that depicts "unpleasant expressions" under content guidelines that enforce moral standards unilaterally on society.

Conclusion:

As stated above, we cannot say that banning the sale of manga and video games that "depict sexual violence" is valid, even if we were to agree that the goal of protecting the rights of women is correct.

There is nothing to be gained from regulating fictional sexual violence. However, while you're trying to fix the rights of fictional characters, you're leaving the human rights of real women in the real world left to rot. As well, in Japan, the entire reason we have a media genre such as manga that developed to take on themes such as the sexual exploitation of women came from an attitude to tolerate "drinking the pure and the dirty without prejudice." It's because we had the freedom to express our views and with that to express the view of a world of humans that live and die, that there are pure and wonderful things and dirty and nasty things mixed with each other.

Manga is a field where women have put in their hard work and effort to cut forward paths and cultivate a place of their own. We believe that in order to protect this place from being trampled on, it will need our continued hard work to pass it on to the next generation, and it is this effort that will link to the greater freedom and rights of women.

The End

February 28th, 2016

Kumiko Yamada, Women's Institute of Contemporary Media Culture Representative and Designer


Oh, and Notch(he's probably just trying to piss off the morons)

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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Mar 2016 07:46    Post subject:
Maybe not the right place for this but whatever:
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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Mar 2016 08:59    Post subject:
Heh, I know people that work in Buzzfeed and yeah, they actively pursue to hire women and if it's a man, most definitely not a white man.
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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Mar 2016 14:37    Post subject:


see what you guys have done! Such a fucking disgusting hate movement, you lot are! DISGUSTING!

y'all should be ashamed!


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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Mar 2016 16:47    Post subject:
Thats it.. I demand that all men in video games be sexualised immediately. I want tentacle ass-rape, I want strong, oxen built women rescuing me from the jaws of death, and I want to be dressed in unrealistic clothing, with a huge dong.

Then I believe everyone will be happy, no?


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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Mar 2016 17:20    Post subject:
They should really start calling that channel: Fy or Fiction. Rolling Eyes Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Mar 2016 17:21    Post subject:
Looks like they couldn't find an actress ugly/crazy looking enough to play Wu.
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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Mar 2016 17:24    Post subject:
That "menacing" video is so painfully obviously a troll. Oh god, the cringe...
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