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froid
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 Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 10:32 Post subject: [XBOX] XBOX vs. PlayStation2 |
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I want to buy one fo this consoles. Which you me recommend?
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Saner
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 10:39 Post subject: |
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Get the one with games you want to play.
if all the games you want are multi-platform, get the xbox.
| ragnarus wrote: |
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 15:58 Post subject: |
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wich one do you like more appels or pears?
same shit... it's all taste... although the ps2 is way better 
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 16:06 Post subject: |
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Dont waste your money on old consoles
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Supino
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 17:54 Post subject: |
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Xbox is quality hardware and ace funconality. After it's chipped, it's actually useful! But it does lack jap RPG and platform games. This was its biggest weakness... [8/10]
PS2 is crap hardware quality, but without doubt the best gaming console. Sony hate us pirates more than anyone. Microsoft is more laidback on this front. [6/10]
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Supino
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 19:39 Post subject: |
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@pallebrun
I was thinking of the hardware quality. not the specs. I've had 2 PS2s and both ended up with a unusable DVD laser. also 2 Sony memorycards just stopped working. The XBOX is more robust.
I agree with what you are saying here though.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 23:56 Post subject: |
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froid, I got them both, but if I had to chose only one I'd go for Xbox... anyway, my suggestion is that you should try getting an Xbox 360 and once a modchip will become available you're gonna be able to play both Xbox 360 and Xbox games.
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Supino
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 00:03 Post subject: |
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I got them both too, Xbox all the way. There haven't really been that many games i've played for PS2.
LOL, pallebrun, thats a pathetic argument. Thats like someone with a crap PC saying their PC was better then another persons who's was top of the range, because they could squeeze an efficient amount of FPS considering the power, even though the games looked worse. Who gives a fuck about efficiency, it's the end product that matters.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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GP Force
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 00:29 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | I got them both too, Xbox all the way. There haven't really been that many games i've played for PS2.
LOL, pallebrun, thats a pathetic argument. Thats like someone with a crap PC saying their PC was better then another persons who's was top of the range, because they could squeeze an efficient amount of FPS considering the power, even though the games looked worse. Who gives a fuck about efficiency, it's the end product that matters. |
That's your opinion, and I really dont understand it.
If you downclock the better pc to the same specs as the slower pc, the better pc will run the game exactly the same as the slower pc, so I really dont get how it can be the same.
If you put the xbox at the specs of the ps2, I guarantee you that the graphics wont even come close to what the ps2 can produce at those specs.
The ps2 hardware is fricking awesome for doing the graphics it does, yet people say "lol, the emotion engine sucks blabla", but obviously it doesn't since it can render all those graphically impressive games. If you look at the specs of the system, it shuldn't be able to do it, not even close.
I'm not saying that the ps2 is better and more powerful than the xbox (which some of you seem to think), not at all, what I'm saying is that the ps2 delivers more based on it's specs then what the xbox or the gamecube does, and especially the xbox.
It's like if you have a ferrari and a normal volvo. The ferrari do 500km/h(made up number) and the volvo does 400(made up number). That would make the volvo superior to the ferrari technically, even though it runs slower, because it's not supposed to handle 400km/h, and yet it does, even though the engine doesn't have the "specs" for it.
Amd vs Intel is another good example. Amd's cpus run at a much lower clockrate than intels, yet they are faster or produce the same results (faster with later models). And this makes amd's cpus superior technically.
That's how I see the hardware in the ps2, it develivers something it shuldn't be able to to do judging by the specs. And that's why I think it has superior hardware TECHNICALLY.
About the multiplatform games that run worse on the ps2, yeah they do. But that's the key with hardware like that, you really need to make a game specifically for that console to really make use of it. The xbox has pure raw power and therefor any game will work. So comparing a multiplatform game is just wrong.
Just look at god of war, resident evil 4, jak 3 to see what the ps2 can truly do.
No one thought resident evil 4 would run and look as good as it does on the ps2, yet it develiver ALMOST the same graphical experience that the superior gamecube offers.
I knew I would start something here, and I welcome a discussion as long as it doesn't include abunch of "LOL" or fanboy crap. Keep it civilised and mature please.
Btw, this has nothing at all to do with the topic. The best system is something I purely base on the games and not the hardware, and I would never judge someone else for choosing a different system than me or tell them how wrong they are.
This is purely technical.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 01:39 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | I got them both too, Xbox all the way. There haven't really been that many games i've played for PS2.
LOL, pallebrun, thats a pathetic argument. Thats like someone with a crap PC saying their PC was better then another persons who's was top of the range, because they could squeeze an efficient amount of FPS considering the power, even though the games looked worse. Who gives a fuck about efficiency, it's the end product that matters. |
What a stupid argument ! ............ for that to be anywhere near logical, the slower PC would have to play games the faster PC couldn't and the faster PC only be able to run some titles a year after the same title run on the slower PC..ect..ect
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 01:47 Post subject: |
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After 15 years of gaming, starting on Lurking Horror by Infocom, the only thing that matters in the end is ... Gameplay. Nice graphics are nice but not essential, nice textures/models are nice but not essential, having a phase-change refrigeration system on your CPU is nice but not essential, having dual 7800 PCI-X cards in your mobo is nice but not essential, but a game that offers fun & enjoyment, a sense of achievement, possessing depth and quality production values, these are the games that are worth playing. If these qualities result in playing Castlevania on the GBA, or Kohan II on the PC or Fable Lost Chapters on XBoX then the platform is irrelevant. At the end of the day you *remember* those enjoyable fun games & the choice of hardware it runs on is *irrelevant*
You wanted a Miracle, I give you the F. B. Eye !!
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 02:53 Post subject: |
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nah the thing is, while ps2 does have crap hardware, the feats pulled off on it are far more impressive than on xbox in relative comparison, ps2 game developers are just better programmers, thats all.
so there, i admit that ps2 has really crappy taiwanese hardware, but does that change the fact that the ps2 has a much wider variety of games than xbox? no.
of course when it comes to multiplatform games, theyre better on xbox, but the best games on the ps2 arent multiplatform, you cant get em anywhere else.
xbox just has too many western-made games to be attractive to typical console players, as the best console games have mostly been the japanese ones, and the ps2 has loads of them.
it depends on you what kind of games you like, if youre more the pc games kind of guy, then get the xbox, if you re a console player, then ps2 definitely.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 03:01 Post subject: |
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I don't see how 'power efficiency' has any relevence to console gaming. Sure, when it comes to PC's it matters, because you can pick and choose individual components to conform to your budget/power requirements. But with a console the components are set, so who cares if the PS2 is efficient, when the Xbox has better looking games. It means nothing, and a user won't care about that.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 03:05 Post subject: |
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| jonels wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | I got them both too, Xbox all the way. There haven't really been that many games i've played for PS2.
LOL, pallebrun, thats a pathetic argument. Thats like someone with a crap PC saying their PC was better then another persons who's was top of the range, because they could squeeze an efficient amount of FPS considering the power, even though the games looked worse. Who gives a fuck about efficiency, it's the end product that matters. |
What a stupid argument ! ............ for that to be anywhere near logical, the slower PC would have to play games the faster PC couldn't and the faster PC only be able to run some titles a year after the same title run on the slower PC..ect..ect |
I'm not sure what you're actually criticizing, if it's my analogy: you're an idiot. If it's pallebruns argument: you're an idiot.
We're talking about power efficiency, not game exclusives or release dates. It's not a direct comparison, and obviously you have no concept of what an analogy actually is.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 03:15 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | jonels wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | I got them both too, Xbox all the way. There haven't really been that many games i've played for PS2.
LOL, pallebrun, thats a pathetic argument. Thats like someone with a crap PC saying their PC was better then another persons who's was top of the range, because they could squeeze an efficient amount of FPS considering the power, even though the games looked worse. Who gives a fuck about efficiency, it's the end product that matters. |
What a stupid argument ! ............ for that to be anywhere near logical, the slower PC would have to play games the faster PC couldn't and the faster PC only be able to run some titles a year after the same title run on the slower PC..ect..ect |
I'm not sure what you're actually criticizing, if it's my analogy: you're an idiot. If it's pallebruns argument: you're an idiot.
We're talking about power efficiency, not game exclusives or release dates. It's not a direct comparison, and obviously you have no concept of what an analogy actually is. |
so how come the slower PC can play 'God of War' 'Devil May Cry' 'GT4' (do not dare counter with the that trash 'Forza'..realistic handling my arse ) ect..ect... or play titles like GTA SA almost a year before the faster PC and play it better (xbox gta sa = slow down)......................................................................................
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......................... apples and pears ..confuse idiot
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 03:49 Post subject: |
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after re-reading a couple of times i finally understood that the prob with your post is your usage of the word "pc" instead of "console".
i didnt understand what you were actually comparing, why dont you just say that youre comparing ps2 to xbox.
some multiplatform games may run better on ps2 because most of em are optimized for ps2 and get ported over to xbox later on.
talking about god of war and dmc, these games were never released on xbox, so what are you comparing em to?
gta sa runs laggy on ps2 as well so i dont get your point.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 03:59 Post subject: |
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Plus I don't see what relation release dates have to anything. GTA:SA also looked better on Xbox.
When you get a game thats released on both platforms it generally looks better on the Xbox. Thats not an opinion to argue, it's a fact.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 05:54 Post subject: |
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Well I have a XBOX a PS2 and a GC and I would choose the PS2 anytime.
Why?
Because it got all the games I really want.
Dark Chronicle, Devil May Cry Series, Dragon Quest VIII, Final Fantasy Series, God of War, Resident Evil 4, Shadow ot the Colossus, Soul Calibur III, Tekken Series, Virtua Fighter 4, Star Ocean, Metal Gear Solid 3, Rogue Galaxy, ryuu ga gotoku, etc....
If you wanna play multiplatform games (Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell, ...) or PC ports (Doom, Half-life 2) then go and get a XBOX.
So its just about which games you prefer!
| KrutojPoc wrote: | | Dont waste your money on old consoles |
What a stupid argument...sure, if you just wanna play graphics then get a XBOX360.
The "old" generation sill got so many great titles worth playing!
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2005 06:28 Post subject: |
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hmm ryuu ga gotoku, i just got that one, was supposed to be something between
gta and shenmue.
didnt get to play it yet, how is it actually?
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GP Force
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Supino
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Dec 2005 08:57 Post subject: |
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xbox cuz it's cheaper with better gfx & warez friendly
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Dec 2005 12:06 Post subject: |
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well depends on whether u want ur bang for the buck with the console that offer most variety and quality among games or go with the strongest console who has no way of showing it through its mediocre games save for a few shiners in the bunch. i think i can count all xbox' top games on one hand lol.
as for hardware issues... my ps2 is a version 3 thats 4-5 yrs old working perfectly fine with swapmagic(not gonna risk it breaking down by getting a chip)... dunno how the others manage to break theirs. as for faulty hardware and microsoft being good on the technical aspects... well heard of the bug reports with the 360 lately? =)
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Dec 2005 09:59 Post subject: |
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dude seriously u havent played many xbox games. There's some A class titles for it. My PS2 i play some RPG's on it. My XBOX i play games watch all kids of media play music dont have to fiddle around with patches/loaders. It plays PAL/NTSC with the minimal amount of fuckery. In all its multi usefulness outshines the ps2 and then some. To say that there's only a handful of good games is naive. And dont be fooled by the next gen console hype either. Most developers including Hideo Kajima say PS3 and x360 there's not a great deal seperating the two id put my faith in what a talented developer says anyday over what some spec spouting forum fanboy says. Remember the faulty ps2's at launch..no? cuz i do. 1st generation of such powerful machines is expected to produce lower yeilds in its 1.0 version with later revisions they get better, all generation 1 launch games are prduced on alpha kits also so dont expect optomised coding from final kits for a few more game rls cycles. And you can expect just as much from the ps3 since every dev so far has said its a bitch to code for.
I like both systems but the ps2 isnt much use beyond gaming. The xbox is the all around winner for me because its so much more once its modded.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Dec 2005 12:51 Post subject: |
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Animal Mother is right... the general rule is games are better lookiing on Xbox..its a fact people...those of you with just a PS2 im looking at you! I own both so i can say such a comment with ease.
i think what you are all forgeting is just what the Xbox can be when you chip it and install Linux comlete with a 100Gb HD.......sweet heaven. I now have a fully functional media player, can run emulators, surf the web through scripts, 'backup' my games to the HD. Best of all i can connect my XBOX to my PC and access all my music and videos....best....console....ever.
It used to play great games....now it does this and so much more. A PS2 cannot compare to such versatility.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Dec 2005 15:47 Post subject: |
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I to have a Xbox and a PS 2. I hardly touch my PS2 because the Xbox is an all round machine. Another thing to consider is how much easier the Xbox is to chip over the PS2.
Just think of the Xbox as a medium spec PC connected to the TV.
Think of the PS2 as only a games machine.
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