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nouseforaname
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 Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2016 03:20 Post subject: Advice on new computer |
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Hey dudes, looking for some quick advice about budget on a new OKish gaming pc. I have about $1000 CAD to spend but not sure if it's even worth it. Even my existing computer that is a few years old plays most new stuff but not all (CPU/RAM usually is the limitation from actually starting, gfx card isn't so new, not a lot of RAM, current specs in sig). For you american folks this is only about $650 USD with the current exchange rates and tax.
I would only need a new case (mid tower but not too big), psu, motherboard + cpu (agree i7 would be best but OK with i5), ram (already have some 8gb 1666 but not sure if that would be a bottleneck) and new gfx card (with hdmi 2.0 if possible). I'm looking for 1080p with near max detail settings with 60fps for most games that have recently come out or will come out this year I guess
this place actually have a store where I can pick it up, so likely would want it to all be from the same place.
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/
also I'm fine with either intel/amd or nvidia/amd but I don't think the current radeons support hdmi 2.0 and not sure what level of gtx card does
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2016 03:39 Post subject: |
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650$ is okayish. i7 out is out range ofc, skylake i5 is too expensive too. in that case i would advice to get "old" haswell generation. either i5 or if the budget fits and no oc is planned-> xeon 1231v3 (basicly i7 without igpu and cant be overclocked)
cant check that atm cause the store page is down.
benefit of the "old" generation would be: you could reuse your old ram and 1666mhz is fine for intel cpus of that gen, only amds really can profit from faster ram.
hdmi 2.0 on gfx -> nope sorry bru, no "real" hdmi 2.0 cards on the market. the nvidia ones claim to have it, and it works, but still it fakes a bit and isnt real hdmi 2.0
edit: lol webpage works with canada vpn. wtf?
mh any other reliable shop in good old canada? the selection isnt that nice
Asus H81M-A Intel Socket LGA1150 Intel H81 Chipset MicroATX
$93,99
Intel Core i5-4690 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB Smart Cache, 3.5GHz, LGA-1150 Socket, 22nm - BX80646I54690
$280,99
eVGA - Power supply ( internal ) - 80 PLUS - AC 100-240 V - 500 Watt
Item#: EVG-300631816 | Model#: 100-W1-0500-KR
$70,99
ASUS Turbo GeForce GTX 960 OC Graphic Card - 4GB GDDR5, PCIe 3.0, 1024 CUDA Cores, 4096x2160 Max Resolution, DisplayPort, DVI-I, HDMI, White - TURBO-GTX960-OC-4GD5
Item#: AS0-300804975 | Model#: TURBO-GTX960-OC-4GD5
Price:
$354,09
+ any case you want + your old ram. if you have old hard discs, ssds and dont need new ones a 970 would fit into the budget too, but the store simply doesnt offer it
and the mainboard is kinda meeeh, but everything else there overpriced or crap. ok not meeh, its a good board, but only 2 ram slots for example -> no space for upgrades. but if you buy a haswell setup now -> its already a dead end since no cpu will be possible in the feature (except some i7 k to overclock, but in that case it would be smarter to buy a z board right now, and maybe an i5 k)
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2016 04:29 Post subject: |
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I need to read what you wrote, but I can answer the one question about an alternate store
http://www.canadacomputers.com/
is another physical store I can get to (besides best buy). I can order from newegg.ca or ncix.ca which has pretty much everything USA can get but the customs fees aren't always clear plus if something needs to be RMAed I'd rather have a shop to go to. I'm not sure if I want something that is not really upgradeable, but that obviously implicates the cost factor.
I also have a miniDP to HDMI 2.0 adapter that can do 4K @ 60 hz (which is what I wanted hdmi 2.0 for) so maybe that is a small issue
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=1336_1441&item_id=091823
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2016 15:55 Post subject: |
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every adapter i heard about were not working, dunno about that thing. but 4k @ 60fps works with the recent nvidia cards, though its not a full and complete hdmi 2.0 implementation
would gather a bit more money and would go for a skylake i5 which can be replaced in 1-2 years with an i7. but canadacomputers.com doesnt even offer any skylake cpu...
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Jan 2016 16:51 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | every adapter i heard about were not working, dunno about that thing. but 4k @ 60fps works with the recent nvidia cards, though its not a full and complete hdmi 2.0 implementation
would gather a bit more money and would go for a skylake i5 which can be replaced in 1-2 years with an i7. but canadacomputers.com doesnt even offer any skylake cpu... |
That's because those adapters you've heard about are passive adapters and can't possibly do 4K at 60 Hz. They are limited to what Single link HDMI can do at that point, which is shit.
http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.en/product/displayport-12-to-hdmi-20-uhd-active-adapter.html
Search for this one, CAC-1070 (or CAC-1170 for mini-DP). Works flawlessly. On AMD it also works as long as you install the new Crimson software.
Should be $30 or less.
Also worth noting that if you have a TV capable of 2160p60 + HDCP 2.2 and want 4:4:4 chroma subsampling you can't use Nvidia cards. They can only do 4:2:0 when HDCP 2.2 is enabled (or you have to drop to a lower framerate). It's highly unlikely that Nvidia will do what AMD did, which is not relying on an HDMI 2.0 chip. The chip Nvidia used is incapable of transmitting a "full" HDMI 2.0 signal. Even when using this adapter, they still use that chip to encode the HDMI signal; AMD do this through their own chip, which is programmable. |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2016 00:20 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Janz wrote: | every adapter i heard about were not working, dunno about that thing. but 4k @ 60fps works with the recent nvidia cards, though its not a full and complete hdmi 2.0 implementation
would gather a bit more money and would go for a skylake i5 which can be replaced in 1-2 years with an i7. but canadacomputers.com doesnt even offer any skylake cpu... |
That's because those adapters you've heard about are passive adapters and can't possibly do 4K at 60 Hz. They are limited to what Single link HDMI can do at that point, which is shit.
http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.en/product/displayport-12-to-hdmi-20-uhd-active-adapter.html
Search for this one, CAC-1070 (or CAC-1170 for mini-DP). Works flawlessly. On AMD it also works as long as you install the new Crimson software.
Should be $30 or less.
Also worth noting that if you have a TV capable of 2160p60 + HDCP 2.2 and want 4:4:4 chroma subsampling you can't use Nvidia cards. They can only do 4:2:0 when HDCP 2.2 is enabled (or you have to drop to a lower framerate). It's highly unlikely that Nvidia will do what AMD did, which is not relying on an HDMI 2.0 chip. The chip Nvidia used is incapable of transmitting a "full" HDMI 2.0 signal. Even when using this adapter, they still use that chip to encode the HDMI signal; AMD do this through their own chip, which is programmable. |
I just bought that adapter for my dell xps 13 which is my htpc (tv does 2160p@4:4:4), been waiting like a year for it to come out but still having issues with it actually doing it in the intel iris control panel settings unfortunately (which is a problem to be solved in the avsforums  )
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2016 14:20 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | I just bought that adapter for my dell xps 13 which is my htpc (tv does 2160p@4:4:4), been waiting like a year for it to come out but still having issues with it actually doing it in the intel iris control panel settings unfortunately (which is a problem to be solved in the avsforums ) |
That's just Intel's CP being quite horrible :/
On some models you need to change the 3D settings from "optimised" to "off" in order to have the driver run stable when not doing anything with 3D  |
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jan 2016 14:39 Post subject: |
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the sli gtx 770 is most like bullshit cause they use 2gb vram cards. they never specify which card exactly but they thanks to msi for the 770 lightning cards. afaik only the lightning oc cards had 4gb vram
imho thats the reason most the results are that close
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jan 2016 02:36 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the help guys, my wife figured out that I was serious about buying a new computer and doesn't seem thrilled about me spending a $1000.
(for context that is relevant, my son was recently diagnosed with an ASD and we're spending close to $7500 on speech therapy a year of which maybe only ~30% is covered by benefits ... so apparently this is something we can't afford :/)
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I'd send you my old stuff but it's worse than what you have right now 
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jan 2016 02:59 Post subject: |
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I should also ask while I'm at it ... at what point will prices drop a bit?
new nvidia cards make the gtx 970 drop? skylake will be new for a year but dropping in price anytime soon especially motherboards?
canadian dollar is shit against USD which won't change in the next year but maybe components will, stuff is like a 30-40% premium now where is was equal a few years ago...
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jan 2016 03:12 Post subject: |
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sure the new pascal cards will make the price drop, but first when midrange cards come out. first pascal highend cards aka new titan cards are expected for late april. "normal" cards a bit later, summer at earliest. but if the rumors about 50% performance improvement are true it would not be smart to buy old cards like the 970 in summer
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jan 2016 09:14 Post subject: |
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This i5 vs Xeon 28 threads shit is hilarious, think it this way... Xeon has 10 more cores and HT, i5 cannot match this shit even with 10Ghz OC (this is not even possible) if application or game uses it properly. Ofcourse there is some shit engines that uses 2 or max 4 cores currently (where i5 can win just because it has stronger single threaded performance since they run higher clock speed stock vs stock), but games are more and more getting heavily multithreaded thanks to shit consoles and their weak ass 8-core "CPU".
its so hilarious that people are recommending i5 to fucking every machine with argument "but games are not using more cores". There is plenty of games for example where i7 is nicely utilized, and buying now i5 is just not really good option, you can get much more future proof CPU without spending shitloads of cash.
For example, i was thinking buying skylake i7 setup with very good OC mobo, then i realized Haswell-E setup costed for me like 100 euros more and i got 4 threads more, this is something that 6700K for example cannot brute force with any overclock, and when its time to replace 5820K you can put Broadwell-E CPU to the existing socket.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Jan 2016 15:15 Post subject: |
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if you want to oc its worth to get the k cpu, but in that i case i would even say get an i7 k. but it is no problem to buy z board + i5k with the 970 and replace the i5 with an i7 in a year or so
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nouseforaname
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Thanks for the advice guys!
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