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No Anti-Aliasing? I thought the xbox360 could basicly apply 4x AA for free, without a performance hit at all. How weird that developers dont use this, or maybe it just wasn't true?
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 17:36 Post subject: |
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I think they said all games were required to use at least 4x anti-aliasing but then they changed it to 2x for the earlier released games. But im pretty sure theres no jagged edges if you use an HDTV, i dont have one so i dont know. thats why all those articles say how you cant enjoy xbox360 if its not in high definition.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 18:48 Post subject: |
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| pallebrun wrote: | | No Anti-Aliasing? I thought the xbox360 could basicly apply 4x AA for free, without a performance hit at all. How weird that developers dont use this, or maybe it just wasn't true? |
It's up to the developers whether they prefer to include Anti-Aliasing OR effects like motion blur filters. Unfortunately, most of them chose blur filters over Anti-Aliasing for most of the released games. It's just because AA won't work at all when blur filters are present. So jaggies are the price you'll have to pay then...
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 19:55 Post subject: |
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Up to the developers? So the whole deal with AA being required for all xbox360 games were just bullshit?
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 20:21 Post subject: |
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First of all, speaking of "Anti-Aliasing" doesn't automatically mean the "no jaggies" Anti-Aliasing.
To be a bit more precise: Motion blur is a special form of AA. Even some other texture effects or supersampling are part of the AA family. So that's where developers have to choose which form of AA they want to include. Only thing M$ dictates them is "“Put in any sort of geometric content rendering Anti-Aliasing”. For PGR3 or PDZ they went the motion blur kinda way.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 20:34 Post subject: |
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In other words, they talked crap. 4xAA shuld mean 4xAA (the no jaggies aa), not Motion-blur.
I know the aa family, but they named 4xaa specifically, and when you refear to 4xaa , it's the normal AA method that we are used to, the no jaggies one, and not supersampling or motion-blur etc.
If they meant any form, then they shuld have said that and everyone would have known.
It's called hype I guess. 
http://www.nforcershq.com/article3041.html
| Quote: | | Speaking at a press conference in London, ATI technology specialist Rene Froeleke told journalists that Microsoft had specified that games must run at the 1280x720 resolution at 4xAA with no slowdown |
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Supino
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 21:27 Post subject: |
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yeah. I hope Sony isn't all about Hype though. Looking forward to dual 1080p HD- TVs at 120 FPS and 2 TFLOPs power for awesome AI! This isn't just a console - no no - It's a SUPER COMPUTER!!
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 21:31 Post subject: |
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| Supino wrote: | | yeah. I hope Sony isn't all about Hype though. Looking forward to dual 1080p HD- TVs at 120 FPS and 2 TFLOPs power for awesome AI! This isn't just a console - no no - It's a SUPER COMPUTER!! |
Sony has already Hyped there console, by releaseing false game footage |
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Supino
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 21:37 Post subject: |
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| cybersurfer wrote: | | Supino wrote: | | yeah. I hope Sony isn't all about Hype though. Looking forward to dual 1080p HD- TVs at 120 FPS and 2 TFLOPs power for awesome AI! This isn't just a console - no no - It's a SUPER COMPUTER!! |
Sony has already Hyped there console, by releaseing false game footage |
yeah I know.. It was orga... ehm.. sarcasm. Everybody is hyping the masses; Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 21:41 Post subject: |
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Of course, why wouldn't they? They are companies that want to make as much money as possible. I would do the same.
The best way to earn more money, is to fool the buyer and hype things, it's as simple as that.
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Supino
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 21:48 Post subject: |
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@pallebrun
True. all consoles will have dissappointing and impressive properties. But I know all of them will be worth theyr money in the end.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 21:50 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | D_A_Kuja wrote: | | anyway as i said, if the good developers move to x360, i move as well. |
Well then you're best moving to Nintendo. I can't think of a bad game made by them in years. they really know their hardware batter than anyone. Revolution ftw
1 point though... i don't see how that guy can calculate those load times. I think that's a complete lie. I do think that 7 controllers is pointless though, i think it must mean 7 additional 1s (8 in total). I ca\n't see many games supporting 3 vs 4. |
nah, nintendo doesnt have the games i follow, like mgs, ff, dmc, tekken, gta, and resident evil not anymore. |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 21:56 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | D_A_Kuja wrote: | | anyway as i said, if the good developers move to x360, i move as well. |
Well then you're best moving to Nintendo. I can't think of a bad game made by them in years. they really know their hardware batter than anyone. Revolution ftw
1 point though... i don't see how that guy can calculate those load times. I think that's a complete lie. I do think that 7 controllers is pointless though, i think it must mean 7 additional 1s (8 in total). I ca\n't see many games supporting 3 vs 4. |
nah, nintendo doesnt have the games i follow, like mgs, ff, dmc, tekken, gta, and resident evil not anymore. |
Nintendo is the one that really worries me...How can nintendo port games that are made for the xbox360 and PS3. Nintendo just doesn't have the power behind there next system. The thing that pisses me off is Nintendo might have the perfect controler for FPS. Its ironic in a way...stupid Nintendo  |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 22:04 Post subject: |
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But do we REALLY know how powerful the revolution will be?
Isn't all we got some speculations?
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 22:04 Post subject: |
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yea thats why nintendo doesnt have a chance, its just way too far behind, you cant port anything to it. multi-console games were always the ones making the big bucks, nintendo will be completely closed off from these this time.
as a result nintendo´s fanbase will be more dedicated than ever, but the console will undoubtely fail. having some great ideas and possibilities is not the same as being able to outsell the competition, so probably nintendo will follow the sega path and turn into a game producer.
and btw, the nintendo president himself said that the revolution would only be twice as powerful as the gamecube, while the x360 is already more than 10 times as powerful as xbox, which isnt a speculation now.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 22:09 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | yea thats why nintendo doesnt have a chance, its just way too far behind, you cant port anything to it. multi-console games were always the ones making the big bucks, nintendo will be completely closed off from these this time.
as a result nintendo´s fanbase will be more dedicated than ever, but the console will undoubtely fail. having some great ideas and possibilities is not the same as being able to outsell the competition, so probably nintendo will follow the sega path and turn into a game producer.
and btw, the nintendo president himself said that the revolution would only be twice as powerful as the gamecube, while the x360 is already more than 10 times as powerful as xbox, which isnt a speculation now. |
Man thats scary for Nintendo, how many Zeldas and Marios can they sell...Since it seems as though there closing everyone off. |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 22:18 Post subject: |
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I think "twice as powerful" sounds abit strange to be honest, even though the president said it.
I will wait for some official specifications before I go "omg that sucks". I mean twice as powerful, that's basicly the same as comiting suicide...
Maybe it was just a big missunderstanding.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 22:24 Post subject: |
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yep, thats basically twice the amount of polygons as an example, imagine any gamecube game with twice as much characters on screen and you got revolution (well not taking in account the better textures and effects).
it certainly wasnt a mistake, the ceo did emphasize on the revolution not being a step forward graphics-wise but by concept. he was talking about the next-gen of gameplay and i think with this coming from a ceo its certain that the console will be extremely outdated hardware-wise.
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Supino
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 23:07 Post subject: |
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Well.. Nintendo has thought this over more than we'll ever do. The have a plan, trust me. ok, they will not gain the majority of gamers in this gen... but they have a plan.
on one side we have the high budget companies, pumping out safe expensive FPS'ers, RPGs and Sportgames. They know what the masses want, they know what sells. They're like Britney is to music or like Mac Donals and food. They are going the safe way.
On the other side we have the small innovative developers that can make awesome new consepts for 100 000 $. And theres Nintendo in the middle of them, with a new controller! They are makeing something new. F*** the gamepad, F*** hardware. Lets do something FUN. I tell you, I miss that way of thinking.
EDIT: If nintendo was the leader of this gen, they would be right where Microsoft and Sony are now.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 23:21 Post subject: |
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oh and by the way. The Microsoft LIVE! Arcade may seem like a small bonus for us über gamers, but I think it's a VERY smart move from Microsoft! They'll gain lots of supporters demanding simple consepts.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 23:26 Post subject: |
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| cybersurfer wrote: | | D_A_Kuja wrote: | | Sublime wrote: |
Well then you're best moving to Nintendo. I can't think of a bad game made by them in years. they really know their hardware batter than anyone. Revolution ftw
1 point though... i don't see how that guy can calculate those load times. I think that's a complete lie. I do think that 7 controllers is pointless though, i think it must mean 7 additional 1s (8 in total). I ca\n't see many games supporting 3 vs 4. |
nah, nintendo doesnt have the games i follow, like mgs, ff, dmc, tekken, gta, and resident evil not anymore. |
Nintendo is the one that really worries me...How can nintendo port games that are made for the xbox360 and PS3. Nintendo just doesn't have the power behind there next system. The thing that pisses me off is Nintendo might have the perfect controler for FPS. Its ironic in a way...stupid Nintendo |
Do you really want ports? Look at the gamecube. That has some of the best games of the generation and yet the standard three way port has been dropped on many games such as starcraft ghost.
I much prefer DS games to PSP games. They're unique and would jusitfy buying the console in the first place. The rev. really will be a different experience and since i've lost my passion for console gaming I think it's the only thing that will make me go back too.
And as for the jaggies, i'm pretty sure its more of a TV problem than the console. You get the same 'problem' on PCs. |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Dec 2005 23:55 Post subject: |
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| Hero98 wrote: | | pallebrun wrote: | | No Anti-Aliasing? I thought the xbox360 could basicly apply 4x AA for free, without a performance hit at all. How weird that developers dont use this, or maybe it just wasn't true? |
It's up to the developers whether they prefer to include Anti-Aliasing OR effects like motion blur filters. Unfortunately, most of them chose blur filters over Anti-Aliasing for most of the released games. It's just because AA won't work at all when blur filters are present. So jaggies are the price you'll have to pay then... |
Yeah I was playing a racing game when i really noticed the aliasing , it had motion blur. But I also noticed it on COD2. It was on a HDTV.
As I said sublime you can compensate on the PC with greater resolution.
Pallebrun, that statement means that microsoft wanted the ATI graphics platform to be capable or running games at those settings. Not that all games would be running those settings.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005 02:36 Post subject: |
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Very few games do it for me nowadays. Also, I've got a back catalogue of games that I still haven't found the time to play. So I can definitely let all this next gen stuff pass me by.
Will probably end up getting a nintendo though, as that'll be the system most different from my pc.
Having said all that... Perfect Dark Zero looks very tasty. But a console just for one game, hmmm....
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005 02:36 Post subject: |
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How about a nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP
FFS the PS3 and New Nintendo are not even out yet so ...SHUT THE FUCK UP
The winner is the 360, but a worthy mention to the 360 for the runners up spot and last but not least the humble 360, don't count it out because it may yet suprise
note.. only joking
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005 04:31 Post subject: |
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| jonels wrote: | How about a nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP
FFS the PS3 and New Nintendo are not even out yet so ...SHUT THE FUCK UP
The winner is the 360, but a worthy mention to the 360 for the runners up spot and last but not least the humble 360, don't count it out because it may yet suprise
note.. only joking |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005 08:38 Post subject: |
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although i will be buying either a xbox360 or PS3 i will be getting a NR no matter what. The reason being that although they may not have the same publishers and game devolopers backing as the other two systems their games although alot fewer are normally the best you can get for any system in that time frame. Yeah it may be another mario based game or the likes but the most enjoyment i've ever had with a game either single player or whole family fun has been always on nintendo systems and i don't think NR will be any different in this respect.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005 18:00 Post subject: |
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Firstly, although I am a fan of the Xbox 360, I will say that what is said doesn't come from a reliable source. However, in most matters he does know what he's talking about (albeit he is very biased).
Next, there is a lot of ignorance clouded by 'fanboy-ism' in the posts.
| Elazul wrote: |
So you call Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Ridge Racer 6, Condemned and Dead or Alive 4 "cheap ports"? They are 360 exclusive and were released the same day as the console. I thought the release games were great! |
DoA4 wasn't released at launch. It has been delayed - a few times.
| T-1200 wrote: |
Do you work for Rockstar games, because the next GTA has not been announced as being exclusive to the PS3. Rockstar games were quoted as saying that there will be no more exclusive GTA games only for Playstation only.
It makes me laugh to think that eveyr PS3 fanboy thinks that the next GTA will be on the PS3 only. |
I seem to distinctly remember reading that it will be exclusive on IGN (at least for a short time period.
| D_A_Kuja wrote: | | i wouldnt put my hand into fire for the killzone video but i m damn sure the mgs4 one is true in-game graphics. so far hideo kojima never ever presented a pre-rendered clip of any mgs game, and it wouldve been totally pointless to do so with mgs4. |
They never claimed it was 'in-game'. It was purely shown. Kojima has used prerendered in-game graphics (You know those CGI movies you see) before. This could be that. OR it could simply me an artists rendition of what it could look like. Just because he's never done that doesn't mean he will never do that
| Stealth88 wrote: | The price for the PS3 will be 200-300 USD.
And I'm pretty sure there will be some fanzy online gameing thing..
Just wait and see..
PS3 will OWN the shit outa crap-box. |
Congrats on your insider information. You must know some marketing execs responsible for pricing. Even though the price hasn't been released or decided upon yet. I expect a $50 pricing over the 360 launch purely stemming from the cost of parts vs my marketing knowledge.
| D_A_Kuja wrote: |
regarding dvd9, there are already so many games nowadays that fill up a whole dvd9 |
No. Most games are DVD5. Just have a look through the releases. The ones that are DVD9 aren't often even close to taking up the full capacity.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005 18:27 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | thats what i m saying, the x360 doesnt feel next-gen at all, this is actually the first time in history that a next gen console doesnt beat pc graphics-wise at launch, which is pretty weak.
and about 7 controller ports, who said anything about splitscreen?
ever played sports games like pro evo soccer, wrestling games like smackdown or party games like bomberman? no splitscreen there and up to 6-8 players. |
1) Regarding the COD2 like 800*600 llolzlolzzoozl ro0xorz l33t pwn: no. It doesn't. It has been compared to the PC version running at a completely souped up computer and it's very comparable, if not marginally better. Compare the costs of the 360 vs the money spent on your computer and notice the main difference.
2) Admit the 7 controller thing is stupid. Sports game with '7' people? Why not just make it 8? Or 6
3) I admit the current games aren't THAT 'next-gen'. However, doa4 will be and so will ghost recon 3, morrowind and the games on from that. It's hard to make the most of the hardware for launch.
| D_A_Kuja wrote: | yea thats why nintendo doesnt have a chance, its just way too far behind, you cant port anything to it. multi-console games were always the ones making the big bucks, nintendo will be completely closed off from these this time.
as a result nintendo´s fanbase will be more dedicated than ever, but the console will undoubtely fail. having some great ideas and possibilities is not the same as being able to outsell the competition, so probably nintendo will follow the sega path and turn into a game producer.
and btw, the nintendo president himself said that the revolution would only be twice as powerful as the gamecube, while the x360 is already more than 10 times as powerful as xbox, which isnt a speculation now. |
This is all just speculation. No one can confirm AT ALL if the revolution will in fact be less powerful.
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