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russ80
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 Posted: Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 20:57 Post subject: Help me choose a gsync monitor |
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Between the rog swift pg279q and acer x34 predator.
Thing is, i love ultrawide but there are more things to consider. Like 144-165 hz which i havent personally experienced. Versus the higher res on the x34 that would mean an upgrade to a 980ti ( would rather wait for pascal but want gsync nao )
So ..
Ultrawide, 100 hz max or 16:9 165hz? Which would impress me more you think? Is the 165 hz ( in some non demanding games obviously ) that noticeable compared to 60 ?
Thanks in advance.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2016 04:05 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | Once you go ultrawide, there is no turning back. Get the Acer predator, but that panel is total shit what i have seen, some units have had even dust between the coating and panel, wtf seriously  . I havent never got into those high hz monitors, 60hz is enough for me, i love picture quality more myself. |
^^^^
I'm hoping for some nice 4K 60Hz G-Sync Monitor in a next few months.
Loving my Ultrawide Curved LG.
Btw, you ain't gonna get much 144hz with 970, unless you play at lowest of the lowest setting imo.
When I had mine PG278Q, even with my 2 980's OC to the max, I couldn't max out of the games at 144hz...unless I played on like medium... |
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2016 04:32 Post subject: |
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120/144 Hz is very noticeable vs 60, provided you can get the framerates to match. I start seeing clear benefits somewhere past 75-80 FPS, but nothing beats synced 120 FPS. That is why variable refresh rate should really help here, since you can get great results even if you won't get FPS that high.
With Ultrawides choices are a bit limited at the moment and there is a trade off between resolution and refresh rate. If it has VRR, I would pick a 1440p 100Hz panel over a 1080p 144Hz+ one, but I wouldn't go any lower than that - it is indeed hard to go back to that once you try that high refresh rate/high FPS experience.
Another thing that greatly benefits high refresh rate displays is backlight strobing/scanning, but unfortunately none of the implementations work with G-Sync or Free sync currently and even setting that aside, I only know of one display where that feature works with acceptable luminance levels, and that is the FG2421. Looking at the reviews, all others go way too dark.
Will be hard letting it go if I get another monitor - it makes a huge difference.
For some performance numbers: on a 980Ti 100+ FPS at 1080p is perfectly doable in Witcher 3 for example, and it plays really good on a 120Hz monitor - I chose that over 1440p downsampling or FollicleX here.
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russ80
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2016 05:14 Post subject: |
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Yeah its kinda hard to decide when i cant personally test 165hz vs uw by myself. Guess i will try the rog swift and if i feel i lost too much by ditching ultrawide ill return it and get the x34.
Still, feel free to share your personal expiriences when it comes to going from a 60 fps monitor to 144hz+.
Will i be seeing any benefit in games where i dont reach that framerste vs a standard one? The 970 will most likely still be my gpu for the next 6 months til pascal comes out. There are a few non demanding games i might ocasionally play like dark souls 1 2 hopefully 3 aswell, wow when legion comes, d3, tf2.
Also correct me if wrong but by getting the x34 with the 970 i wouldnt even see the benefit of gsync that much since at that res 40-50 fps wouldnt happen in most demanding games.
Also another thing to consider, will ps4 games upscale properly on the swift? Or will they look shitty?
Still got around 1 month to decide and convince the missus not to kill me 
Thanks!
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2016 13:13 Post subject: |
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Other than having a potentially more responsive panel, I don't see any benefits in a high refresh rate display if you won't get framerate much higher than 60.
With X34 you should see benefits of G-sync at any framerate that is not locked 100 (assuming refresh rate of 100Hz) and higher than 29. In general terms, VRR will always be beneficial, because barring some undemanding games it's almost impossible in practice to avoid any FPS drops, at least if you go beyond 60. At 60Hz, it's probably less useful.
If you are willing to sacrifice higher PPI for performance, there is the Predator Z35 to consider. It's a 35" 2560x1080 curved ultrawide VA panel with G-sync rated up to 200Hz. It's currently being reviewed by TFT Central.
On the subject of refresh rates... I don't have any personal experience with this, but I wouldn't pay much attention to refresh rates over 144Hz. Even if you could get the framerate that high, I really doubt the difference would be worth it. "Sample and hold" is the bigger issue at this point.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jan 2016 13:30 Post subject: |
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I was thinking about getting Z35 but not sure if worth going from 1440p back to 1080p on such big screen but 144Hz would sure be nice.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jan 2016 14:45 Post subject: |
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| Nui wrote: | | Wouldn't the effects of VRR diminish with higher refreshrates? With a 144Hz there a almost 3 times as many time slots for a frame, so the time wise difference of a frame rendering and display must get smaller. |
In terms of input lag, VSync is not an issue for me even now as long as I lock down the framerate, so I can't comment on that if that is what is of interest.
In terms of perceptible "smoothness" in performance however, from personal experience on FG2421 I can only say that you can feel the difference whenever the framerate drops from 120 even slightly (like to 100-110). It's not immediately apparent as it is, but when you hit stable 120 it will become obvious in contrast.
Of course, I can't really say how much of that is down to VSync. With VSync off it can even seem worse, probably because random tearing makes the image less "stable" so it can feel like it judders a bit - this makes it hard for me to test the difference VSync makes.
Generally speaking though, even small frametime inconsistencies have an impact here, but I think some people are less affected (or concerned) by this than others, so your own impression might be different.
| Nui wrote: | How dark if you have a figure at hand?
To me this is a must even at 60Hz. My monitor flickers noticeably for me (just very slightly in the corners though)  |
You can go to TFT Central, for example, and check the reviews for displays with the tech. They have very good break downs on luminance levels at different settings and with strobing on/off.
Generally speaking, for most displays brightness drops down to around 100 cd/m2 at maximum. FG2421 has it at around 250cd/m2, which is on par with some IPS panels at peak brightness without strobing.
If you like calibrated 120 cd/m2 this might not be a huge deal, but for me this is way too dark for gaming or any entertainment purposes. All it takes is to glance at some 300cd/m2 image (which is pretty much nothing by HDR standards as well) even once and it will be difficult to accept anything less, provided contrast ratio is good as well.
Conveniently enough, it appears that TFT Central just posted their review of the Z35 today:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_predator_z35.htm
They have a pretty handy table in there where they compare brightness levels of displays with this tech (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/acer_predator_z35.htm#ulmb - scroll down to display comparison)
Review itself is worth a read as well, obviously, for anyone who was interested in this monitor 
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