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| dannofdawn wrote: | | babioraz wrote: | I've been playing PoE long time ago and as everyone noted here - game felt a lot like grinding the same shit everyday. And i couldn't stand it more than for 500 hours. Then i've started playing D3 for a long time... much longer than PoE. Dunno why. Maybe i was a blizzard fan... and i still am! But after some major changes in PoE and abysmal changes in D3 it felt that i should i invest more time into a freebie game. And i'm sure now - that was a right decision. After PoE increased tier 1 uniques drops by 4x and tons of other changes, this game doesnt feel so grindy. Actually it's way less grindy than D3. Here u have tons of options, tons of challenges, tons of new content being thrown at u. Kinda sad to see that some RPG gamers can't ar won't admit that blizzard star is fading away. And i'm happy to see titles of biggest gaming websites: "Diablo's Best Competitor Announces its Fourth Expansion", "Crawl through dungeons dark and nasty in new ‘Path of Exile’ expansion", "Path of Exile's free new Ascendancy expansion looks roguelike-like". It's kinda saying: "Nah blizzard.... u have to try better in D4 or D6 ! "  And it's good for us - gamers. Better content is always welcomable  |
I wholeheartedly support competition. If GGG can put up such a good fight, then it would only mean good things for the genre. However right now, the 2 best ARPGs in the market are like in the complete opposite of the spectrum. PoE is too time consuming and casual unfriendly with its no respec, D3 is too casual friendly with its scale-able difficulty.
I see the merit of both and I do think they are both great games right now. But if they just take up their own niche, its not much of a competition. Maybe Grim Dawn could hit the middle ground, but that thing has to come out first...
Or PoE and D3 can just push themselves a little bit closer to each other, that would be great. |
i agree with u, that competition is a good thing for us as gamers. But u are a bit inacurate about no respec option in PoE. In December 11 there will be free passive reset, after expansion launches there will be reset. And even if u dont want to wait couple months on trying different builds, it's so easy now to farm currency to buy regret points, that it would take literally couple of hours of grinding to get necessary amount for a full respec of your build. And now items cost way less than before so u can try as many builds as u want So i don't agree about PoE being not user friendly - they've changed a lot of things so u wouldn't feel that hardcore grinding. Ofc if u wanna reach lvl 100 then ... yeah ... without guildm8s... it would take ages to reach that goal. As for me, i didnt reach lvl 100 yet and i'm not sure if i'm aiming for that.... I'm just enjoying trying different chars... different builds... Different leagues. And i'm not even close to being rich in terms of PoE power players
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 00:57 Post subject: |
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I don't like that both D3 and PoE are online only. PoE especially was bad with desync, I don't know if its plagued by it even now, but last time i played it, it was. There are other advantages to offline only, like having choice whether to upgrade to new version or not. Sometimes games have changes that I don't like.
Torchlight was much better in this regard.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 05:57 Post subject: |
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| babioraz wrote: | | dannofdawn wrote: | | babioraz wrote: | | I've been playing PoE long time ago and as everyone noted here - game felt a lot like grinding the same shit everyday. And i couldn't stand it more than for 500 hours. Then i've started playing D3 for a long time... much longer than PoE. Dunno why. Maybe i was a blizzard fan... and i still am! But after some major changes in PoE and abysmal changes in D3 it felt that i should i invest more time into a freebie game. And i'm sure now - that was a right decision. After PoE increased tier 1 uniques drops by 4x and tons of other changes, this game doesnt feel so grindy. Actually it's way less grindy than D3. Here u have tons of options, tons of challenges, tons of new content being thrown at u. Kinda sad to see that some RPG gamers can't ar won't admit that blizzard star is fading away. And i'm happy to see titles of biggest gaming websites: "Diablo's Best Competitor Announces its Fourth Expansion", "Crawl through dungeons dark and nasty in new ‘Path of Exile’ expansion", "Path of Exile's free new Ascendancy expansion looks roguelike-like". It's kinda saying: "Nah blizzard.... u have to try better in D4 or D6 ! " And it's good for us - gamers. Better content is always welcomable |
I wholeheartedly support competition. If GGG can put up such a good fight, then it would only mean good things for the genre. However right now, the 2 best ARPGs in the market are like in the complete opposite of the spectrum. PoE is too time consuming and casual unfriendly with its no respec, D3 is too casual friendly with its scale-able difficulty.
I see the merit of both and I do think they are both great games right now. But if they just take up their own niche, its not much of a competition. Maybe Grim Dawn could hit the middle ground, but that thing has to come out first...
Or PoE and D3 can just push themselves a little bit closer to each other, that would be great. |
i agree with u, that competition is a good thing for us as gamers. But u are a bit inacurate about no respec option in PoE. In December 11 there will be free passive reset, after expansion launches there will be reset. And even if u dont want to wait couple months on trying different builds, it's so easy now to farm currency to buy regret points, that it would take literally couple of hours of grinding to get necessary amount for a full respec of your build. And now items cost way less than before so u can try as many builds as u want So i don't agree about PoE being not user friendly - they've changed a lot of things so u wouldn't feel that hardcore grinding. Ofc if u wanna reach lvl 100 then ... yeah ... without guildm8s... it would take ages to reach that goal. As for me, i didnt reach lvl 100 yet and i'm not sure if i'm aiming for that.... I'm just enjoying trying different chars... different builds... Different leagues. And i'm not even close to being rich in terms of PoE power players |
Then I need some advice because maybe I just don't understand the game. My highest level character is 61 Duelist and I'm stuck in Act 3 Merciless. Right now pretty much all my slots are uniques that I found. I know they aren't better than rares, but they are my best gear with the right gem slots atm. As a challenge, I rather play solo and see how far I can go. But I believe I must be doing something wrong because I die too often to level up. Should I just grind areas of my level? Is that what I'm suppose to do? Or am I stuck because my build/gear sucks? Is it normal to be stuck in this game anyway?
I don't really had this problem in D2 so I'm a bit confused. And if I have to grind to progress the quests then I do think it is a bit too time consuming. Not that it is a bad thing, just not very casual friendly in my opinion.
Also how exactly do you farm for respec? Cuz I really need those things right now. I'm getting one shot by some unavoidable attacks. So maybe my resist or health is too low.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 07:50 Post subject: |
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| dannofdawn wrote: | | babioraz wrote: | | dannofdawn wrote: |
I wholeheartedly support competition. If GGG can put up such a good fight, then it would only mean good things for the genre. However right now, the 2 best ARPGs in the market are like in the complete opposite of the spectrum. PoE is too time consuming and casual unfriendly with its no respec, D3 is too casual friendly with its scale-able difficulty.
I see the merit of both and I do think they are both great games right now. But if they just take up their own niche, its not much of a competition. Maybe Grim Dawn could hit the middle ground, but that thing has to come out first...
Or PoE and D3 can just push themselves a little bit closer to each other, that would be great. |
i agree with u, that competition is a good thing for us as gamers. But u are a bit inacurate about no respec option in PoE. In December 11 there will be free passive reset, after expansion launches there will be reset. And even if u dont want to wait couple months on trying different builds, it's so easy now to farm currency to buy regret points, that it would take literally couple of hours of grinding to get necessary amount for a full respec of your build. And now items cost way less than before so u can try as many builds as u want So i don't agree about PoE being not user friendly - they've changed a lot of things so u wouldn't feel that hardcore grinding. Ofc if u wanna reach lvl 100 then ... yeah ... without guildm8s... it would take ages to reach that goal. As for me, i didnt reach lvl 100 yet and i'm not sure if i'm aiming for that.... I'm just enjoying trying different chars... different builds... Different leagues. And i'm not even close to being rich in terms of PoE power players |
Then I need some advice because maybe I just don't understand the game. My highest level character is 61 Duelist and I'm stuck in Act 3 Merciless. Right now pretty much all my slots are uniques that I found. I know they aren't better than rares, but they are my best gear with the right gem slots atm. As a challenge, I rather play solo and see how far I can go. But I believe I must be doing something wrong because I die too often to level up. Should I just grind areas of my level? Is that what I'm suppose to do? Or am I stuck because my build/gear sucks? Is it normal to be stuck in this game anyway?
I don't really had this problem in D2 so I'm a bit confused. And if I have to grind to progress the quests then I do think it is a bit too time consuming. Not that it is a bad thing, just not very casual friendly in my opinion.
Also how exactly do you farm for respec? Cuz I really need those things right now. I'm getting one shot by some unavoidable attacks. So maybe my resist or health is too low. |
Seems to me your build and maybe some gear needs rebalancing. At level 62 where you're still leveling, uniques will be more than enough to protect you from one shots of any sort provided resists are capped and the build is internally consistent that is you have concentrated on just a couple of strengths in your attacks rather than tryin to be all things.
I initially came unstuck in the 60's in poe when I invested too much in dps and not enough in defence once I covered my ass better with capped resists and evasion or armour the game became a lot less frustrating.
The other asset is trading it is virtually impossible to drop the best gear for a particular build on yer own. use poe.trade to find out who has the gear you need at a price you can afford. 99% of the players want the same as you quick trades no bullshit.
If you aren't dropping enough regret orbs to get enuff for a full respec yourself trade for them. I dunno what league you play. In say standard (where dying doesn't kill yer character) an orb of regret sells for about 2 chaos orbs which works out at between 20 to 25 regrets for an exalt.
Getting to 100lvl was my goal once but it's kinda a mirage if you solo. Just to get from lvl 99 to 100 would take more than 450 tier 13 maps and that means something drastic like endlessly farming major bosses. It can be done with a group combining their instances but that isn't soloing.
I'm happy if a build gets to 92 now.
For me that is what the game is about - designing then refining a build to go as far as you can without living in wraeclast.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 08:20 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | I don't like that both D3 and PoE are online only. PoE especially was bad with desync, I don't know if its plagued by it even now, but last time i played it, it was. |
A thing of the past now.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 08:25 Post subject: |
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| dannofdawn wrote: | | PoE is too time consuming and casual unfriendly with its no respec, |
But you can respec. The game is pretty casual if you just want to clear the game once or twice or even play through merc. It's only at high levels that it becomes excessively grindy but most players don't even get that far.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 08:44 Post subject: |
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| pillermann wrote: | | dannofdawn wrote: | | PoE is too time consuming and casual unfriendly with its no respec, |
But you can respec. The game is pretty casual if you just want to clear the game once or twice or even play through merc. It's only at high levels that it becomes excessively grindy but most players don't even get that far. |
I guess I'm just expecting to reach max level as the norm when I went into it.
So what levels are maps then if not everyone hits level 100? When I can start doing maps?
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 09:09 Post subject: |
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Max. map level is 82 since the last big update (iirc).
To do maps you have to find the Eternal Lab in act 3 on merciless.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 09:34 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | I don't like that both D3 and PoE are online only. PoE especially was bad with desync, I don't know if its plagued by it even now, but last time i played it, it was. There are other advantages to offline only, like having choice whether to upgrade to new version or not. Sometimes games have changes that I don't like.
Torchlight was much better in this regard. |
yeah, desynch was a BIG issue before, but now it's gone and game is using lockstep feature so u can't die randomly because desynching with a server. This was the best fix for a game by far.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 09:41 Post subject: |
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afaik core map tier 15 or lvl 82 is currently the highest maybe uber- I dunno - the problem is that if you get kilt in core which is easy you cop a 10% exp penalty but because the difference between your lvl and that of the map yer on is too high you are lucky to earn more than a coupla exp % for a total clear of any map once yer at lvl 92 or above -that is when the grinding is just too much so farming becomes a more rewarding goal than chasing exp esp when high maps just aren't dropping.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 09:54 Post subject: |
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Then I need some advice because maybe I just don't understand the game. My highest level character is 61 Duelist and I'm stuck in Act 3 Merciless. Right now pretty much all my slots are uniques that I found. I know they aren't better than rares, but they are my best gear with the right gem slots atm. As a challenge, I rather play solo and see how far I can go. But I believe I must be doing something wrong because I die too often to level up. Should I just grind areas of my level? Is that what I'm suppose to do? Or am I stuck because my build/gear sucks? Is it normal to be stuck in this game anyway?
I don't really had this problem in D2 so I'm a bit confused. And if I have to grind to progress the quests then I do think it is a bit too time consuming. Not that it is a bad thing, just not very casual friendly in my opinion.
Also how exactly do you farm for respec? Cuz I really need those things right now. I'm getting one shot by some unavoidable attacks. So maybe my resist or health is too low. |
well it depends on a lot of things. Sometimes uniques aren't that good in some slots. But most important thing is what build are u playing, do u have needed gear for that and so on. There are literally gazillions of builds to be played/tried. As for me when i was a noob (and i still am! i was trying different builds. One build was safe, but slow in clearing speed, the other one was powerful, but squishy to some attacks. And u have to remember one thing - resistances is all that matter in higher difficulties - if u are not capped in fire/lightning/cold... u will be oneshoted by some random and nasty dude. So always keep in mind - upgrade your items and never drop below resistance cap. Could u tell what is your playing style - melee/ranged ? Caster or physical? And then i can give u some guidances which build u should try not investing too much of currency. Actually PoE forums are very friendly in that department. There are thousands of detailed builds with explanations how level through content and so on. If u did like Demon Hunter in D3 with turrets, then u could try Incinerate totems build in PoE. It's very safe until hit 90, it's powerfull even after that, but then u will need to upgrade ur gear significantly. Now i'm playing low life incinerate. And i managed to beat atziri on lvl 85 without any issues. All in all if u have questions, ask and i'll try to hook u up I have like 300 low level maps which i don't need, so if u'll reach laboratory or maybe u have a hideout with masters - i can give u those maps for free My ingame nick is babioricus.
p.s. as for respec... Like UreKismet said, u just need regret orbs to be able to respec at any time and they are not that expensive... But yeah... maybe on lvl 61 it can be an issue.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 09:57 Post subject: |
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| babioraz wrote: | | tolanri wrote: | I don't like that both D3 and PoE are online only. PoE especially was bad with desync, I don't know if its plagued by it even now, but last time i played it, it was. There are other advantages to offline only, like having choice whether to upgrade to new version or not. Sometimes games have changes that I don't like.
Torchlight was much better in this regard. |
yeah, desynch was a BIG issue before, but now it's gone and game is using lockstep feature so u can't die randomly because desynching with a server. This was the best fix for a game by far. |
I found the complete opposite, this game being one of the very few to offer servers in my area i had no trouble before the latest expansion. Since the expansion trying both network sync types lost 2x level 50 HC chars when the client just stopped responding, then just stopped playing the game.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 10:22 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: |
I found the complete opposite, this game being one of the very few to offer servers in my area i had no trouble before the latest expansion. Since the expansion trying both network sync types lost 2x level 50 HC chars when the client just stopped responding, then just stopped playing the game. |
I was one of the lucky ones who was ready to toss the game in over desyncs but the changes with the awakening release reduced desyncs a lot then more recent patches that have meant the server and client don't need to swap so much data means that I haven't had a desync for weeks. That despite the nearest server being 3000 k/ms away and never getting below 85 millisecond latency.
I've only been playing standart tho losing a HC character thru desync would turn me right off too.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 11:01 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | babioraz wrote: | | tolanri wrote: | I don't like that both D3 and PoE are online only. PoE especially was bad with desync, I don't know if its plagued by it even now, but last time i played it, it was. There are other advantages to offline only, like having choice whether to upgrade to new version or not. Sometimes games have changes that I don't like.
Torchlight was much better in this regard. |
yeah, desynch was a BIG issue before, but now it's gone and game is using lockstep feature so u can't die randomly because desynching with a server. This was the best fix for a game by far. |
I found the complete opposite, this game being one of the very few to offer servers in my area i had no trouble before the latest expansion. Since the expansion trying both network sync types lost 2x level 50 HC chars when the client just stopped responding, then just stopped playing the game. |
feel sorry for ur loss. As for me, before awakening expansion i was dying to desynch like paper doll everyday. After patch i've never died yet due desynch cause now it's completely gone. The lockstep thingie just locks u and mobs simultaneously. Had one game crash after patch and game crashing can cause death, but that sometimes happens. Ofc it sux dying when u are playing HC, but mostly that is caused by fair play or pc hardware issues or internet connectivity. Dying due server issues is not amusing thing, but that happens very rarely. I'm sorry that it happened to u and u had to abandon this game 
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 11:18 Post subject: |
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After 3 years of playing Path of Exile (1000s of hours), I tried Grim Dawn (about 100 hours) and was totally surprised. The game is everything I wanted PoE to be.
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-auto-inventory/stash sorting / (in PoE you have to waste hours sorting your inventory / stash even when you are an experienced player)
-much bigger inventory size.. (no need to leave everything on the ground / portal to the town every 2 mins )
-no damn id and portal scrolls, portals stay open. In PoE you will curse dozens of times coz one portal was lost and you have to replay an area or you lost an item from a map)
-you can play LAN / OFFLINE ( no damn lag / desync which still exists in PoE)
- NO NEED TO TRADE ( you have decent drops and bosses do drop good items )
- Exploration / secret stuff is actually REWARDING ( that doesn't exist at all in PoE)
- Some fun side-quests / surprises
- Medium RNG vs PoE's 100 LAYER RNG...
- Open World vs Very small Instances
- WEAPON / ITEM SETS ...! We have been requesting GGG for SETS for years...
- Leveling new characters is actually fun whereas in Poe we just skip 1/3 of the main game and our only purpose is to reach end-game maps.
- Only 1 kind of mana / life potions + then you use ingredients to craft other kinds of potions.
- Using enemy ingredients to enhance your items (claws, fur etc ). They also give you EXTRA SKILLS.
- Devotion system coming in a few days which further enhances the class system ( sth similar will come in Q1 2016 for Poe but will only have a handful of choices)
- The atmosphere is a lot more immersive and darker in Grim Dawn.
- The zoom is MUCH BETTER ( you can zoom out further )
- Bosses / Tough Enemies have a STAR on their head so you can instantly tell them apart from trash enemies. ( in PoE you will get 1-shot tons of times due to not being able to tell that a boss is hiding among trash )
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 11:47 Post subject: |
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Sure, I'll play GD - once it's complete.
How's the character system depth (arguably POE's biggest strength)?
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 12:10 Post subject: |
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| pillermann wrote: | Sure, I'll play GD - once it's complete.
How's the character system depth (arguably POE's biggest strength)? |
yep, that's the biggest gripe... "once it's complete". GD is under development like forever And as i tried it in nowadays state, game felt so slugish, slow paced. Graphic wise it looks mediocre at best. I even fell asleep couple of times and still didin't die
And desync is almost gone in PoE. Well for me it's completely gone As one user stated: "Now in lockstep with good ping, desyncs are brief hitches in gameplay, extremely fast freezes. While its not awesome when this happens its predictable, it doesn't cause death."
And i don't agree that "NO NEED TO TRADE" is a good option. The game looses interactivity with other peps. If u could grind all gear by yourself... well either there are too few items too look for or game doesnt have replayability option.
Exploration will be rewarding after next expansion in PoE and it will involve lots of randomness as for map layouts and item's buffs.
And PoE is nowhere near to a perfect game, but they are crawling there with a good direction. And i think SET items will come eventually. In the meantime there are plenty of content to play - races, temp leagues, SC or HC, beating Uber Atziri and lots of personal achievements.
As for GD... i really hope it will be another good RPG and i hope it'll bring more competition in that genre.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 17:28 Post subject: |
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PoE does have a lot of superficial character depth. You look at the massive skill tree, tons of skills etc and you fail to realize it all really comes to down to 3-4 skills / builds and that a lot of end-game content (Atziri-Uber-Certain Unique maps) is actually gated / impossible to do with certain characters.
Master missions are also impossible to do with certain characters and that is super annoying (vorici's missions + summoners for example ).
The fastest clear-speed chars are wanders / split arrow -chain builds. It depends on your play style / currency available. I think that once you witness a fast-clear char, it's difficult to go back to a normal / slow clear char.
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Grim Dawn even though incomplete (3 complete Acts currently - Act 4 will be released in December I think) offers a lot more playtime than PoE. The main game is MUCH LONGER than PoE's. (not comparing end-game systems, PoE has maps and 2x gated bosses, GD not complete yet)
As for the character depth I don't really know much as I've only played 3-4 chars so far (~100 hours ) but what I saw was satisfying. It's like Titan Quest, you can combine 2 character classes in order to make a char suit your playstyle. + The Devotion system is coming out in a Week, which will give you even more choices!
However, what I tried so far , dual wield swords / pistols / fireball / lightning / 2H sword seem to work pretty well and I didn't notice any problems. I also find lots of items for other builds and I saw the game has strong Poison items / summoner builds.
No need to trade = If you want to perfect your char, you will probably NEED to trade. But you definitely don't need to trade to finish the game or enjoy it!
In PoE, you will SUFFER a lot if you need to just complete the game and play a few end-game maps self-found.
* Did I also mention that the NPCs in Grim Dawn actually sell useful stuff? Like uniques, recipes / stuff which unlock after you do faction quests?? The NPCs actually play an important role in the game, unlike PoE! For instance, when you gain better status with a faction, you get discounts / access to better items
** I forgot to talk about the various factions in the game. That's another big bonus compared to PoE.
@ Babioraz - Races aren't a daily part of the game and not many people play em either, SC is the garbage dump of PoE, HC will drive you crazy with stupid deaths and...Temp Leagues are so and so. Some of them have been amazing, others totally frustrating / boring. Recent examples: Awakening leagues were really nice but the 1-month flashback event was frustrating as hell and that's where I said to myself enough is enough.
PoE has faster pace, true. You need to upgrade your char to get more speed in GD. When you do, it does feel a lot better. However, I wish pace alone could be enough to keep me playing PoE.
In addition, the expansion looks mediocre at best and even more frustrating. They keep adding stuff that doesn't really give the game much (e.g. Act 4 was super short and nothing special) without fixing the long-existing complaints.
Lag - Well, PoE has 2 kinds of lag; desync and slow performance due to tons of special effects on the screen. The 1st one has been improved but not for all. The 2nd one...oh well..even people with powerful machines will still have big problems esp in multiplayer.
What pisses me off with PoE is that is could probably have been the best Action RPG ever. So much wasted potential and made intentionally hard / frustrating. They have made it easier through the years, but it still has many annoyances that might have you rage-quit, and it's a shame.
Finally...TRADING ALONE CAN MAKE YOU SUPER FRUSTRATED...
We have been asking for trading options since ...forever? (I started playing as soon as Open Beta started ) and we still get ...NOTHING.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 18:24 Post subject: |
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Oh yea, one main reason why I do think PoE is too time wasting. Everything is fucking random. Not only do you need your items to roll the right stats, it needs the right slots, all chained, max slot roll, highest stats roll...Then you have the currency (which is the most infuriating thing honestly). I get that they want to combat the gold sink problem and trading, but this only matters to the hardcore and in exchange made it really unfriendly to use. They are mostly all random, it is so easy to waste it all for nothing. Which begs the question, why have them in the first place.
The answer is trading. But if you can just find the exact item you want, then why the random loot drops in the first place? There is no different to people complaining about D3 auction house. Your best gear comes from buying it, not finding it. Why spent all those orbs rolling on an item in hope that RNG is in your favour, when you can just buy one straight up, real money or otherwise.
This will all make sense in the end game, but that is my problem with this. I'm level 61. I'm not at end game, and this randomness in everything haven't been all that rewarding, nor exciting. I mean uniques are worst than rares, so its not like that's some kind of special moment when you see one drop. And because of how extreme those things can be, in many case they are only useful when you start a new character.
It's almost like this game is only for people who just like to keep running the acts over and over to level up. I mean since you don't actually need good items or build to beat NG+, that part of the game is just boring. It is only until late nightmare that bosses and elite start having ludicrous damage.
And then there's the skill tree. It's awesome, if there's freely available respec. There's no way for anyone to tell if they have the right amount of stats because of the difficulty spikes with random elites. You'll have no idea how far your build can go, whether you'll find the items on your way, and so you can't gauge what exactly is wrong with the build. You're better off just using someone else. Which really defeats the point of this. I don't think all this award building your own character, rather its about finding the best build.
At least in D3 I can reach max level with the shittest build. I'll have all the skills I need to make the build, but it is up to me to improve my character. If my build suck, its my fault, and I'm not going to be doing high enough torment level, or rifts to get all the sweet reward regularly. But I'm not stuck, half way trying to get the those big nodes that I need.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 19:05 Post subject: |
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Well said, and is part of the reason why I prefer reaper of souls or Torchlight 2 when I need that "Diablo fix". I guess it's good PoE exist if there are people out there who like it. But due to reliance on trading and build guides (I rather followed some build guide due to worry that I'd screw up my build that would bite me in the ass in later difficulties), I got bored of PoE halfway through merciless.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 19:11 Post subject: |
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| dannofdawn wrote: | Oh yea, one main reason why I do think PoE is too time wasting. Everything is fucking random. Not only do you need your items to roll the right stats, it needs the right slots, all chained, max slot roll, highest stats roll...Then you have the currency (which is the most infuriating thing honestly). I get that they want to combat the gold sink problem and trading, but this only matters to the hardcore and in exchange made it really unfriendly to use. They are mostly all random, it is so easy to waste it all for nothing. Which begs the question, why have them in the first place.
The answer is trading. But if you can just find the exact item you want, then why the random loot drops in the first place? There is no different to people complaining about D3 auction house. Your best gear comes from buying it, not finding it. Why spent all those orbs rolling on an item in hope that RNG is in your favour, when you can just buy one straight up, real money or otherwise.
This will all make sense in the end game, but that is my problem with this. I'm level 61. I'm not at end game, and this randomness in everything haven't been all that rewarding, nor exciting. I mean uniques are worst than rares, so its not like that's some kind of special moment when you see one drop. And because of how extreme those things can be, in many case they are only useful when you start a new character.
It's almost like this game is only for people who just like to keep running the acts over and over to level up. I mean since you don't actually need good items or build to beat NG+, that part of the game is just boring. It is only until late nightmare that bosses and elite start having ludicrous damage.
And then there's the skill tree. It's awesome, if there's freely available respec. There's no way for anyone to tell if they have the right amount of stats because of the difficulty spikes with random elites. You'll have no idea how far your build can go, whether you'll find the items on your way, and so you can't gauge what exactly is wrong with the build. You're better off just using someone else. Which really defeats the point of this. I don't think all this award building your own character, rather its about finding the best build.
At least in D3 I can reach max level with the shittest build. I'll have all the skills I need to make the build, but it is up to me to improve my character. If my build suck, its my fault, and I'm not going to be doing high enough torment level, or rifts to get all the sweet reward regularly. But I'm not stuck, half way trying to get the those big nodes that I need. |
well, some games are suitable for u and some are not PoE ofc is much more demanding for loot, for planning, for trying different things. As for me... D3 felt one sided... there is like one build for one class... and then u are grinding for same and same item for ages... And even if u find it... there is no joy in it... It's too simplific, it's too boring, it's always the same.
As for PoE ... lvl 61... u can reach literally in 5-8 hours. Yes, i've tried it and it's achievable... And if i could decide for u... either u are playing bad build, either u are not liking the possibilities ingame, either this game is not for u No offence m8.
I really tried to like D3, but it's so one sided that i got bored eventually and i even can't play it anymore for 5 min str8.
PoE has loot filter. And it is a very good addition deciding which item is good and which is bad. U have to watchout for chaos recipes, for gemcuters, for chance orbs. Selling rare items gives u alteration orbs. That way u are accumulating currency very fast. And that gives u options to buy best items in slot for your build.
Well everyone is playing game whichever suits better for his expectations. And if u like D3 more, i'm happy for u It's just ... i think u didin't even tried PoE's best options adn then it's quite hard to compare one game to another. I've tried both And even i'm a blizzard fan... i can tell u ... PoE is way superior in many ways to D3. But yet again it's just my subjective opinion
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 21:20 Post subject: |
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| babioraz wrote: | @EKTELESTES
heh, u've made reasonable points. But it all comes down how are u are approaching a game. Yes PoE has probability to become best aRPG, but it requires a lot of tweaking, balancing and so on. PoE skill tree has lots of advantages cause u can try lots of builds, but it has many flaws because of balancing and making builds viable. Some of them are too overpowered and some are just abysmal. But i guess u've played PoE for many many hours and then u got suggestions how to make this game more viable and etc.
And as u can imagine every user has his own opinion how to balance game, how to make it more attractive and sometimes it's quite hard to satisfy all of us Theorycrafters want more challenge... noobs (as me) want more casual approach and etc etc.
As for temp leagues... The thing is subjective cause i did LOVE flashback league. Why? Cause i've accumulated so much currency that i can try 2-3 mediocre expensive builds in SC. U didin't like it, well it's up to u and i get your point
Incoming Talisman league will be fresh air into already complex game and a lot of peps are looking forward to that.
As for expansion... I'm a bit concerned about balancing... And i guess eventually it'll come with lots of patches adjusting key points. But u can't take away from GGG, that they are trying to make this game more engaging. And i need to remind to all that this game is completely free and nowhere near B2W approach
p.s. as for trading... i've never felt that i need trading options ingame when there is poe.trade website around... But maybe it's just me |
Concerning the temp leagues I will tell you the following:
When Awakening started most people from my friend list, including my guild members which had disappeared for a few months, returned..3 weeks to 1 month later, 90% of em stopped playing again.
The Flashback league was really badly designed if you didn't play a lot during the first few days that had decent mods. Certain mod-combinations were tough as hell even for experienced players. I did 15/20 challenges and stopped it.
In SC I have like 150 exalts sitting there, just before I quit I converted everything into exalts, selling em at less than 50% of the market price and giving away lots of stuff. SC is not part of the game, it's the dump of the game.
Anyway, I might end up playing both games, but I am really enthusiastic about Grim Dawn as they seem to be doing things CORRECTLY.
***The free to play argument isn't that solid, though. Yes, it's true, you are not directly forced to buy anything. However...the lack of inventory and stash space prevents you from making currency easily / quickly and you will have to make mule accounts etc, which is frustrating.
So, in a way you are at least indirectly forced to buy stash tabs in order to properly enjoy the game.
Keep in mind, I have spent around 200 euros on this game in 3+ years. Some of the money was coz I wanted to reward them for a game I constantly played, and the rest for personal satisfaction / easier gameplay ( I have like 50 stash tabs, whereas a starting char has only 4 )
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2015 21:37 Post subject: |
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Can I have your SC exalts when you quit? xD
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Nov 2015 06:09 Post subject: |
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| pillermann wrote: | | Can I have your SC exalts when you quit? xD |
arrgh u beat me to it : ) I can understand why some people would see SC as being an inferior version but as someone who chiefly solos and spent a coupla years only playing self found no trading and consequently crafting was limited, I found SC ideal.
I don't claim to be any rpg whiz - apart from anything else once you get to a 'certain age' yer reaction times are just not fast enough to be able to get outta situations purely on gaming skill.
But, it is possible to solve virtually any problem a boss or rare mob throws at you by reworking yer skills and/or build. Every death becomes a learning rather than a defeat and for me that is where the fun really starts because unless you are uber rich & can respec ad infinitum the changes made to a build to get it past an insanely fast lightning caster or an ice rain/reign queen bitch hafta leave you able to hold yer own against the physical damage or fire damage of other bosses/mobs.
Cookie cutting builds can be found and are an excellent way of coming to grips with the game mechanic but eventually if you want to hang in you have to devise solutions that suit you.
Don't mean to rant on but instead of getting pissed everytime a fix often an expensive fix caused another different problem turning it around and getting a better understanding of the game made it bearable.
Poe is far from perfect I really enjoy the cartharsis of smashing monsters with an ax or mace yet melee players have been so heavily penalised by nerfs it is now possible to race through maps using a ranged build that would be impossible with a melee 5 or 6 lvls higher.
That pisses me but since ggg do listen a bit it is likely they will try and rebalance the disparity that makes melee so much tougher than ranged or summoner builds.
The ggg mob are at least trying to give gamers want they want even if they don't often succeed still that is pretty rare in any game nowadays.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Nov 2015 09:57 Post subject: |
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Guys, I stopped playing like 2 months ago and I know I will never play in Standard again, but I might play some new league or expansion in the future. If that happens I will need the currency in Standard in order to test builds (I got free respecs n tons of chars ).
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