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The only time I agree with "pre-release" review marking is when it genuinely was written prior to release, such as Early Access. Not for games that had full retail and digital releases, but were so unbelievably shitty and broken (like Raven's Cry and Batman AK) that they had to be given total overhauls in order to be playable. Reviews tend to be a one shot deal, you (the dev/pub) get one shot to prove something's worth .. thus the reviews. I can't imagine the nightmare of having to redo, as a reviewer, or recheck, as a consumer, reviews for games that are altered by patches.
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Badrien
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:27 Post subject: |
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Gift batman games to batman fans... I better get these in my inventory xD (but I know better)
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:35 Post subject: |
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The real question is, is performance better? Or as shitty as before?
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demde
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:39 Post subject: |
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Just tried it, I fortunately did a bench just after I upgraded my CPU, and it was pretty crap then. It seems to be pretty flawless now, 60fps across the board, bench and playing, and everything on high, except smoke/fog which kills cards.
I might even do another playthrough, without jittering.
Even the batcar is smooth to drive, I have seen no evidence of streaming.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:41 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:42 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | The only time I agree with "pre-release" review marking is when it genuinely was written prior to release, such as Early Access. Not for games that had full retail and digital releases, but were so unbelievably shitty and broken (like Raven's Cry and Batman AK) that they had to be given total overhauls in order to be playable. Reviews tend to be a one shot deal, you (the dev/pub) get one shot to prove something's worth .. thus the reviews. I can't imagine the nightmare of having to redo, as a reviewer, or recheck, as a consumer, reviews for games that are altered by patches. |
The "pre-release" thing is not my argument, I already said that it wasn't ideal. I am talking about community reviews in general.
In that I don't see the issue. There could be new people looking to play the game, or people who happen to play the game at a later time. People don't all buy games at the same time and some even specifically wait for the game to get more polish. I wouldn't mind having an option to see opinions on the updated game and for it to be easier for me to find them.
No one is forcing you to update your review - new reviews will appear from other players and old one will provide context. Nor is it necessary to break reviews apart after every update - the devs could set certain patches that deal with most criticised elements as milestones of sorts, which would be in their interests as well.
All I am saying is that a few tweaks to the system could make it possible to get better information.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:46 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | People don't all buy games at the same time and some even specifically wait for the game to get more polish. I wouldn't mind having an option to see opinions on the updated game and for it to be easier for me to find them. |
You've already got the option to see opinions on updated games; filter by newest. There's your option and it doesn't involve suddenly binning everyone else's opinions just because a game received a patch.
| Quote: | | No one is forcing you to update your review - new reviews will appear from other players and old one will provide context. Nor is it necessary to break reviews apart after every update - the devs could set certain patches that deal with most criticised elements as milestones of sorts, which would be in their interests as well. |
Except they are, or at least WB are. By splintering the reviews they have effectively forced everybody to either delete and rewrite their reviews based on the patched copy of the game, or have them discarded and cast aside with an insulting "pre-release copy" tag - and judging by indications so far; the "post-release" (snork snork) copy is performing as bad, or WORSE, than the "pre-release" one.
| Quote: | | All I am saying is that a few tweaks to the system could make it possible to get better information. |
A few tweaks that aren't needed, IMOIMOIMO. We already have options in place to filter reviews to "newest" so you can get the LATEST opinion. I guess I just don't understand what the problem is.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:53 Post subject: |
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It's what I do when looking at reviews, first I get to the meaty popular ones and then press: recent to see if anything changed.
It's mostly about issues and performance. Rest I'm not really interested in.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:56 Post subject: |
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I think you both make good points with the reviews.
I believe the system is set up right now where if you would either want to sort by "Helpful" or "Newest" and the problem with sorting by either is that you lose the relevance that the other provides.
So if you click "Helpful" you may get a lot of old, outdated review (for the time being).
If you click "Newest" then you may get reviews that are new, but really not necessarily relevant since they might be one sentence reviews that no one up-voted.
I think over time, not changing anything, the "Helpful" category will properly sort itself out by people voting the reviews up or down.
Right now the "Newest" review is:
Tip: Keep downrating this game for a free refund from Steam policies and get your money back then go buy Fallout 4, your welcome :)
That isn't a review at all.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 19:56 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | | It's what I do when looking at reviews, first I get to the meaty popular ones and then press: recent to see if anything changed. |
Exactly. That's what I do too. If I see "pre-release" on the review, then I tend to ignore it and look for something not marked like that and I believe many others do the same, so can you image if publishers started doing this for all their games that launched in a terrible state?
"That's okay, Steam will cover our asses when we ship a broken product! They'll simply mark all the bad reviews as old and invalid, weee!" 
I don't know, maybe I'm just being dense, but I'm sorry Sniffty mate.. I don't see how this could ever be spun as a good thing, or any implementation similar to it either. A review is a review is a review, it shouldn't be marked as unimportant just because a patch has come out. New reviews should go up to counter it, sure, but not altering older ones to say they don't apply.
| Subject16 wrote: | | Quote: | | For Windows 10 users, we’ve found that having at least 12GB of system RAM on a PC allows the game to operate without paging and provides a smoother gameplay experience. |
P.S.: Sabin...  |
http://steamcommunity.com/app/208650/discussions/0/490124466455488492/#c490124466455504769
| Quote: | | 12 GB is under today's standards. 8GB was the standard 4 years ago. I'd suggest, if you haven't, to upgrade to 16 as soon as possible. It's relatively cheap to do so, and your overall computer experience will improve. |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:03 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: |
Huh. Well at least I'll be getting a free copy of Arkham Origins, the only one of the series I don't actually own. That's something.jpg  |
What a bullshit bonuses. Like someone who is even a bit interested in Batman games doesn't already own them all (or majority at least). Let me guess, they wont be extra copies if you already own them...that would be way too much. 
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:04 Post subject: |
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I'd certainly like them to be extra gift copies, that would be a nice gesture. That way those of us that own them already can gift or trade, and anyone else can activate for personal use.... but yeah, you and I both know they'll be "added to library" instead.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:04 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:05 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:15 Post subject: |
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The purpose of the reviews on Steam is to let consumers know what other people think about the game, not to punish a publisher who had released a broken game. The game now is not the game that was previously released. A consumer should have access to reliable reviews of the state of the game at their time of purchase, because how the game was before, to them, is irrelevant.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:16 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:21 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Morphineus wrote: | | It's what I do when looking at reviews, first I get to the meaty popular ones and then press: recent to see if anything changed. |
Exactly. That's what I do too. If I see "pre-release" on the review, then I tend to ignore it and look for something not marked like that and I believe many others do the same, so can you image if publishers started doing this for all their games that launched in a terrible state?
"That's okay, Steam will cover our asses when we ship a broken product! They'll simply mark all the bad reviews as old and invalid, weee!"
I don't know, maybe I'm just being dense, but I'm sorry Sniffty mate.. I don't see how this could ever be spun as a good thing, or any implementation similar to it either. A review is a review is a review, it shouldn't be marked as unimportant just because a patch has come out. New reviews should go up to counter it, sure, but not altering older ones to say they don't apply. |
Outdated doesn't mean it needs to be trashed. A small message saying that things could have changed could make someone look for updated reviews if he didn't think about it, and all the voting systems are still there to keep the valid reviews up.
I want a review to provide me with valid information, and if we are talking about it on a mainstream level, I don't see how making it clearer for everybody if the review is still factual is a bad thing.
Even simply adding a filter "by version" can achieve that.
Meh, I could go on and on how all the data available on the platform could make reviews more than what they usually are with little work, but you guys can just stay in your dark ages if that's what you want. I will just keep dreaming of the brighter future all on my own 
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:34 Post subject: |
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@MinderMast
Your "brighter future" is utterly untenable. It's a impossible to conceive of, let alone put into practice, the idea of amending reviews and/or binning older ones each time a game is patched. Well, binning the older ones (or marking them as outdated, pre-release, pre-patch, pre-money) is certainly easy and they're doing that already :\
@Newty182
The reviews let people know what the game was. This "re-release" is the same game, trying to claim otherwise is disingenuous, and by all accounts it's not even any better than it was before they removed it from sale.. yet all those reviews and opinions about its state back then are now voided with a flippant and dishonest "pre-release" tag.
I'm obviously alone on this, so I'm just going to stop bothering. I'd certainly like to see some of you put your money where your mouths are in regards to reviews.. let's see you go back and amend, or discard older and write new, based on each new patch.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:42 Post subject: |
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No idea what people are arguing about, but I still really enjoyed this game. The 'big fix' patch eliminated most of the occasional stuttering and generally the gameplay was a blast. Finished and uninstalled, but it was well worth the $0 I paid for the game.
I need AA in my steam collection if anyone has a spare copy. Played it a bunch when it came out but I want to play through it again and don't have it on steam.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:47 Post subject: |
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just tried it, runs better but far away flawless and sometimes has massive framedrops (even if you dont move) to lower 20fps... nice work. NOT
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2015 20:57 Post subject: |
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Wasn't the benchmark system in the game broken, showing different results during gameplay?
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