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| SycoShaman wrote: | | D_A_Kuja wrote: | nah i think what you mean is more newton´s theory - actio and reactio, that basically means that every force has a counter-force, for example in the orbit you have the centripetal force and also the centrifugal one.
maybe instead of calling it action and reaction up there i shouldve better said cause and effect, thats more clear. |
naw, its not that. Its something to do with time and shit. Like the theory of time viewing...supposedly, u can view a reaction before the event...fuck, i wish i could remember where i heard/read that 
I know Im prolly not explaining myself well, but fuck, lol I dont understand it myself. |
hmm well that basically says that if you traveled into future you could see something happening before its actual cause but that doesnt mean it actually happens before the cause.
i mean, in your own timeline it happens before the cause itself the way you perceive it, but it actually happens after. |
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 08:49 Post subject: |
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Kuja, as long as you're basing that on your own interpretations and beliefs thats fine, just checking to see you weren't basing it on any scientific fact (or even theory).
I mean, one of the major forces in our universe is random (Radioactive decay). Whether you want to believe that one day it could be predicted it is up to you. Just don't try to pass it off as having a basis in science.
This isn't even factoring in all the massive amount of theories which imply that we have some form of control over our universe, that there are multiple universes interacting randomly or that human consciouness is only partially based in the physical reality.
Really when it comes to fate and all that shit, there is no science involved. I believe that faith and science are mutually exclusive.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 09:04 Post subject: |
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nah my thoughts arent extracts from any scientific source.
i do believe that every action is connected to another and hence isnt random, but at some point in time, at the very beginning, either there had to be the "something" that resulted out of nothing which started the chain of events or there has always been a "something" and hence there was never a beginning. with both being scientifically unimaginable and not explainable by causality, there has to be something like fate or god that exists outside our perception.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 09:05 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | Wait wait...in theory, a reaction can happen before the actual event right?
Therefore the reaction can be predicted, but not the cause...
I swear i read that somewhere, in some science book...it makes sense in a way, but at the sametime its fucked. |
It's been observed in quantum entanglement observations, notably in certain Bell test experiments. But no useful information (i.e. nothing quantifiable) can be transmitted so causality cannot be violated.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 22:45 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | Wait wait...in theory, a reaction can happen before the actual event right?
Therefore the reaction can be predicted, but not the cause...
I swear i read that somewhere, in some science book...it makes sense in a way, but at the sametime its fucked. |
It's been observed in quantum entanglement observations, notably in certain Bell test experiments. But no useful information (i.e. nothing quantifiable) can be transmitted so causality cannot be violated. |
Got any websites on quatum mechanics and shit man? this stuff interest's me.
Still, I think the test of life is death....its the only thing that is 100% certain ya know? |
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 23:12 Post subject: |
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man i dunno if you should read that out of interest, quantum physics can get really boring and annoying, atleast for me. i hate everything in physics that has to do with waves and heisenberg`s theory. the perception of a quant as substance is a contradiction and hasnt been even vaguely proven by anyone. whole of quantum physics is based on that view, so
i wouldnt be surprised if sooner or later all this would crumble if someone was able to prove it wrong. its a really shaky ground.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Nov 2005 00:47 Post subject: |
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in my point of view it is a question of scopes ...
a general, speaking of a universal, meaning of existance .. no one can answer this question besides religion or biology
on the other hand there is the individual, personal meaning of existance ... this one can answer anyone ... as long as they put a meaning to their existance by making decisions ...
so it's a question of personal involvement with existence ...
the essence is:
involve yourself (with life and other existences), so there is a meaning FOR YOU
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Nov 2005 01:30 Post subject: |
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Well sometimes I wonder but then my brain hurts so I stop  
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Nov 2005 02:27 Post subject: |
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i have to correct myself, have mixed something up there.
true, quanta (i said quant because i studied this in german school, i dont have good knowledge of such terms in english) are waves which consist only of energy, there is a wave - atom duality though. a wave itself might not have mass but it has atom-characteristics, same as an atom has wave-characteristics. made a big mistake up there.
regarding planck´s law, i remember that it was used to calculate the energy in each individual photon, with the knowledge of the light´s frequency and planck´s efficiency-quanta "h" (once again i doubt its called this in english but you prolly know what i mean).
anyway i better pass on this subject now, its been a long time since i did this in school and right now at uni we re on a different subject in physics class, would need to refresh my knowledge about this quite a bit i guess
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Nov 2005 03:56 Post subject: |
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What are you studying at uni?
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Nov 2005 07:44 Post subject: |
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electro-technical engineering and IT, but i think i m gonna switch to technical IT soon, its roughly the same but more IT focused.
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Sil3nt
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005 19:01 Post subject: |
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one thing to say: THERE IS NO FREAKING SPOON
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005 19:07 Post subject: |
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oh there is one, i just ate some soup with it.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Dec 2005 19:31 Post subject: |
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I dont get why people question existence.
It is not even a plausible question for an answer.
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