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Morphineus
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I don't get it tho... you declare this a scam and then tout: Elite 
That is going a bit far. Braben is even worse scum ffs 
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 16:27 Post subject: |
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i wouldn't say he is anywhere near as bad as chri$ robert$ (as he at least has the game albeit with little content), but his decisions are certainly not very intelligent lately.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 16:42 Post subject: |
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| Roger_Young wrote: | | blackdochia wrote: | | I have this nasty feeling that Chris might end up into a Curt Schilling position sooner rather than later...But what do i know... |
At least Kingdoms of Amalur was released. |
so we get Squadron 42 but the MMO disappears?
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 19:24 Post subject: |
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| ClifftonBeach wrote: | | Roger_Young wrote: | | blackdochia wrote: | | I have this nasty feeling that Chris might end up into a Curt Schilling position sooner rather than later...But what do i know... |
At least Kingdoms of Amalur was released. |
so we get Squadron 42 but the MMO disappears? |
The fans gave 80 million for a new Wing Commander. And that would already be done if not for that MMO shitty idea mooronic defenders.
A squadron 42, if with a big enough dynamic campaign, with enough quality, would suffice very well, thank you..Flying ships in MMO´s loaded with teenagers?? K*** my ass.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 21:07 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Morphineus wrote: | I don't get it tho... you declare this a scam and then tout: Elite
That is going a bit far. Braben is even worse scum ffs |
Which game can be played?
I got my $500 in Star Citizen refunded and used $80 to buy ED and now this expansion.
Elite is worse? It's a playable game. How could that possibly be worse then what we have with star citizen at this point.
Keep smoking crack, you'll need it when you eventually realize you're never getting a MMO and at best squadron 42. |
I said: Braben is worse.
And if you haven't kept up... I'm also very critical on SC.
So no, keep that crack to yourself. Well, you must have smoked it to pump 500$ into this no? 
| pillermann wrote: | | At least Braben doesn't sell virtual spaceships for several thousand $ apiece that only exist as a concept art. (Unless he does; I don't keep up with the details.) |
No indeed, he just sticks to false promises, barebone systems and highly overpriced expansions with content that should have been in game already. And let's not forget that that content is already stripped down content to begin with.
So yeah, in my book that is already worse and even if it wasn't it is bad enough to not choose him as a victor'. |
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 21:17 Post subject: |
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Does that mean morph that you would say all games with missing features put into DLC deserve your view of "is worse" applied? Lets face it here many many games are this way of late with missing content one would of felt should be in them to start with.....
Lets be fair across the board here, there are no victors there is just pay for content. Or in exceptional circumstances pay for additional content.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 21:28 Post subject: |
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Moose, why would I do that for the one cherry picked thing you decide to focus on. For me it is a collection of things that have transpired so far (and I did communicate those).
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 22:34 Post subject: |
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ED doesn't charge a monthly fee. Their model from day one was described as releasing paid expansions once a year that help fund continued content to the game.
$80 for what you get in ED is cheap in my book.
Meanwhile, SC has nothing besides a ship model viewer, a broken arena space shooter, and a yet to be released worthless FPS module
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 22:42 Post subject: |
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Who said they would or wouldn't? Don't grab things out of thin air now.
My problem isn't with expansions, it's their pricing and what you get for it (and more things that I brought up).
But the main point was: Using ED as an alternative because SC is not what you hoped for... being silly with all the things that happened over there.
Nah, I rather end up with nothing if I had to choose between two bad things.
Edit: And no need to bring up what SC has or hasn't got... been bitching about that for a while now. Somehow you seem mistaken that this is a defending of SC... I can assure you: it is not.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 23:47 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | | Moose, why would I do that for the one cherry picked thing you decide to focus on. For me it is a collection of things that have transpired so far (and I did communicate those). |
Ah ok thats fine  It seemed you were adamant about saying the word 'victor' in it all just to me seemed bad taste regarding how you know how delicate the SC and ED issue is here 
I guess you put a pokey out tongue emote though .... |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 03:30 Post subject: |
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This thready has become oddly strange... BOTH ED and SC deserve our contempt for entirely different reasons...using ED as a way to somehow discredit SC is like saying that one Political party is better than the other - you're still gettnig corrupt arseholes either way
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 08:17 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | The point is that with substantially less funding and nearly the same development time ED has a game. A playable one. It was to demonstrate how poorly managed SC is / has become. |
Again...
ED development startet around 2-3 years before the real development of SC began.
And yes its easy to create a massiv universe if you do this with a handfull of assets and use procedural creation to create millions of systems (because you dont have to build those systems by yourself).
To create a universe with procentual creation is much less work compared to a universe where every system is build for itself and with its own assets.
What was the release-Version of ED? 3-4 different suns, 3-4 different planets, 2 different stations and 5 or 6 ships. And this content was spread over the whole universe. Thats it. There was not much content at all. But it seems you forget this...
ED looked big (the universe) but in fact, in terms of content and assets.. it wasnt big. It was and it still is.. a very small game.
If you are really into development of games you should know, that about 3/4 of the development time is used for creation of content and assets. And if you use procedural content with a low amout of assets... the development time becomes really really short compared to "handbuild" content and systems.
And to SC... i think that not everything is working perfectly in terms of development of star citizien. But game-development is such an area where nothing ever works perfectly.
But if you really cant see, that SC is a MUCH bigger project in terms of features, content - and assets creating, then you really have no clue about the project and you have no clue about game-development at all.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 08:29 Post subject: |
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| 3dcViper wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | The point is that with substantially less funding and nearly the same development time ED has a game. A playable one. It was to demonstrate how poorly managed SC is / has become. |
Again...
ED development startet around 2-3 years before the real development of SC began.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite:_Dangerous#Development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_citizen#Development
Seems like both started getting into serious/proper development around 2011 to me...
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 08:52 Post subject: |
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Right, where's that interview then?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 09:26 Post subject: |
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| 3dcViper wrote: | Sorry but i will not watch 10+ hours of interviews or read 50+ pages of text again to look for this part. I hope you understand me.... I know that this was said. You can believe me or not. It's your decision.
Its not something i dreamed up... i´m not the type to do something like this |
Wikipedia vs something you heard, somewhere, sometime ago? Yeah, I think I'll go with wikipedia instead of with the guy who keeps defending the game no matter what 
I'll give you that they had the engine in a much more advanced phase (that is clear from ED's page) but that does not justify the constant fuckups by Roberts and co.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 09:45 Post subject: |
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Elites hardly the game of the decade I hope sc doesn't wind up comparable to it at release. Ultimately I don't care how long a game takes there are plenty of other things to do in the meantime. What I do care about is if the game is a peice of shit.. This game has potential to be really good at a time where i basically don't play AAA anymore because its 90% unchallenging awesome button console orientated shit.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 10:08 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 10:47 Post subject: |
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Right, but it's still wikipedia versus something someone remembers from somewhere and on cases like that I think pretty much anyone would go with wikipedia.
And fair enough, fuck-ups might have been too much strong of a word(s).
But to take on your example, I think it's not the case of the audience thinking they can do better, it's the case of the audience actually seeing other teams playing the same game doing better and with less mistakes, getting better results with a smaller budget.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 11:17 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | But to take on your example, I think it's not the case of the audience thinking they can do better, it's the case of the audience actually seeing other teams playing the same game doing better and with less mistakes, getting better results with a smaller budget. |
But its seems they dont see, that the game, that they already can play, is by far not as big and not even as complicated (in terms of feature, technic and content) as the other game that is still in development...
The question is.. why dont they this this difference? The anwser is: Because they miss the basic technical knowledge..
And i think this is the major problem...
Yes you can compare those two games but you should at least try to understand the basic technical background to do so. Thats my opionion.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 11:54 Post subject: |
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wahahahaha
what?!
they dont see the difference because THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE with star citizen!
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Aug 2015 12:16 Post subject: |
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SC is a concept, nothing more.
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