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 Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 10:47 Post subject: GPU upgrade advice |
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Hi,
I want to upgrade my HD 7870 XT.
I can buy gtx970 or r9 390.Anything more expensive not an option.
Also r9 290/290x at the same price as r9 390 whre i live.
Thank you
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 11:24 Post subject: |
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imo between the290/290x/390 there is no felt difference except for the 8gb on the 390 which could give it slightly more futureproofeness. If you go that route I'll advice to the Sapphire cards with Tri-X / Nitro coolers. I have a 290X Tri-X new edition myself and I'm really satisfied for once.
As for 290(X)/390 vs GTX970 imo that is purely a religious matter. Keep in mind the 970 has only 3.5 gb ram, so it can run into a wall a little earlier than the others. But it consumes less power and doesnt need so much cooling.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 13:49 Post subject: |
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Why not another 7870 XT for CF?
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 13:53 Post subject: |
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| farne wrote: | | Why not another 7870 XT for CF? |
I dont have enough space and psu maybe.
And 2gb vram not playable in some games today
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 16:36 Post subject: |
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yep, crossfire/sli with 2gb midrange cards isnt useful
gtx 970 would be a better investment than a 290x. and you get mgs v for free with it
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 19:42 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | [...]
gtx 970 would be a better investment than a 290x. [...] |
Reasons?
I think both are an equally good investement, but I personally chose 290X Tri-X for its bigger VRAM and because I got it for a good price.
At normal price rate I'd probably tend for a 390 a little more.
edit: And it would be interesting at which resolution he's playing.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 20:48 Post subject: |
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GTX 970. Overclocks like a beast, runs cool, power efficient, silent, shadowplay and other nvidia features, free MGS5.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jul 2015 22:20 Post subject: |
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thats it, much oc power and it still stays cooler and doesnt consume nearly as much energy as the amd cards do. if the non x fury would be 100 euro cheaper it would be the better option. and the free mgsv is nice too
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 00:58 Post subject: |
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So you're just pointing out the benefits but not the drawbacks of one choice? pretty lame advice imo.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 01:37 Post subject: |
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If you don't mind about the 3.5 + 0.5 GB issue I'd go with the 970. Even over a 290X at the same price. If your res is > 1080p I'd buy... none!
A single 390 won't be able to move all those pixels (1440p maybe, 4K definitely not) at decent speeds IMO.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 05:15 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | If you don't mind about the 3.5 + 0.5 GB issue I'd go with the 970. Even over a 290X at the same price. If your res is > 1080p I'd buy... none!
A single 390 won't be able to move all those pixels (1440p maybe, 4K definitely not) at decent speeds IMO. |
My resolution is 1080p and I will not go further in near future.
And 3.5+0.5 issue ...should I mind it?I don't know...
Is it that bad?if yes why go for gtx970 then?
Also what about Shadow of Mordor game like?I see in settings
It wants 6gb vram for ultra ?
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 05:41 Post subject: |
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Well, I'm at 900p for now and until the end of the year and I thought I was relatively safe from seeing a game getting near the 3.5GB limit but... dying light manages almost that already, with 2.9 - 3GB of VRAM consumption 
I went with the 970 since I found it at a nice price (320€) over the more expensive and power hungry 290X (350€) and I figured that in most games I'll be able to choose a set of options which will keep VRAM usage below 3.5GB with it still looking good. Of course there are some exceptions (Mhurrdurr, Dying Light and a couple of others), but I'll survive if that means using medium/high textures on those.
The card is also pretty silent and cool, and I'm more than pleased with it right now.
As for the 3.5+0.5 GB and how bad it is... no idea really. There were some rumors of nvidia setting some behavior on the drivers for them to not allow the VRAM consumed on the 970 to go over 3.5GB on some games but again, those were just rumors I think. The original issue showed stuttering with a few games but that was when the issue was found, I didn't see any recent testing to see if it's still the same.
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 05:47 Post subject: |
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At stock speed, both the 390 and 970 are matched very closely. The 970 overclocks well, I don't know about the 390.
Personally, I'd go with the 390. I'm feeling quite limited at 3gb VRAM, I wouldn't stick to 4gb if I was upgrading.
Both cards are great, so you're not losing either way. If you're worried about power usage, I'd go 970. If you're not worried about power usage, I'd go 390. Just my opinion on the matter.
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 07:23 Post subject: |
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OK I will go with sapphire nitro 390.
Thank you guys!
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 12:33 Post subject: |
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Never bumped into any 3.5 issues... it's this mystical thing to me that always gets brought up.
So far I think it's more hysteria than anything else, ofcourse it will have an effect... but not as dramatic as people make it sound like.
Because the way they announce it you'd think every game out there struggles... so far I only heard about these shit coded blockbusters that run like crap on most systems you throw at it. I usually avoid those and see if they get patched up eventually 
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 12:42 Post subject: |
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Between 4 and 3.5 the difference isnt all that big and at 1080p it is, imo negligible.
If you dont care for maximum efficiency, the 390 might effectively be the better choice since you'll have that VRAM advantage that might come in handy in a year or so. And then there's DX12 just around the corner, where Hawaii/Grenada seems to have an advantage over Maxwell. But it remains to be seen. But, by the time DX12 will be interesting, we'll have newer tech on our hands anyway.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 12:49 Post subject: |
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why should have hawaii and grenada have an advantage over maxwell? cause they only support feature level 12_0 while maxwell supports 12_1? oh yes...
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 13:04 Post subject: |
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On drawcalls which is one of the major improvements in DX12.
And feature levels? Tier 3 ressource binding and asynchronous shaders are only supported by AMD apparently.
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 13:14 Post subject: |
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tbh the difference between resource binding tier 2 (maxwell) and tier 3 (gcn 1.0,1.1,1.2) will have as much impact on performance as the difference between feature level 12_0 and 12_1... which is, basicly, none. slight advantage for nvidia though since 12_1 can deliver some gfx effects more
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 13:23 Post subject: |
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Ok.
No comment on the drawcalls?
I dont know how much that 3DMark test shows something worthwhile or not, but AMD has the advantage in that test. Of course it will largely depend on what game developers will make of those ressources.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Jul 2015 13:39 Post subject: |
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and thats the point, it depends on the devs. and they develop games mainly for a feature level that every chip supports. so everything above that only will happen with partnerships like nvidia gameworks etc
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