The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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Divvy




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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:28    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
And I'd have to give up on fraps and D3Doverrider(mah sweet triple buffering Crying or Very sad ), so for now I'll pass.


The game defaults to triple buffering like so many these days. You don't need overrider.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:29    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Ah, THAT's why. It has nothing to do with the GPU ... it's because you're on XP. For some reason I thought you were on Win7, my bad.


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wow! amazing it even runs on windows xp.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:30    Post subject:
Divvy wrote:
The game defaults to triple buffering like so many these days. You don't need overrider.
Hmmm... really? Confused
Because running it seemed to improve mouse response quite a bit.


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:34    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Divvy wrote:
The game defaults to triple buffering like so many these days. You don't need overrider.
Hmmm... really? Confused
Because running it seemed to improve mouse response quite a bit.


yeah that's what triple buffering is for, reducing input lag. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:40    Post subject:
fuckit wrote:
yeah that's what triple buffering is for, reducing input lag. Smile
Er... yeah, I was aware of that...? Razz

My point was that it seems (to me) that the game doesn't default to triple buffering, since without having D3d overrider up and running I seemed to notice some mouse lag with v-sync on.


Argh, too tired.
Good night guys.


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:49    Post subject:
Thanks keyser the difference is huge makes the game tons more immersive ^^


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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:55    Post subject:
Damn, can't find a working PDF of the Guide


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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:55    Post subject:
Can anyone assist me. I even updated to the new DOX FIX.

The game would crash upon Intro Screen, I fixed that with audio fix.

Now the game loads to the intro screen and the dragon is purple, then the hole screen goes purple and every few seconds I can see an artifact at the top of the screen that is jagged and white.

I can press Start new game and press Okay but I see nothing after and I can still hear the music playing.

I have updated my Nvidia drivers, installed dx on redistrubitable ect ect...

Please help me, thank you!
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Divvy




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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:57    Post subject:
No, no, no. Discard anything you learned about triple buffering from Anandtech, that sort of flip queue manipulation is not what happens with Direct3D triple buffering. It simply adds one more buffer to eliminate v-sync related framerate halving. It actually increases input lag by exactly one frame. That's ~16ms at 60fps or ~32ms at 30fps. Unwinder, the developer of D3DOverrider himself, stated that this is exactly what his triple buffering implementation does.

The game doesn't halve framerates without forcing triple buffering, so the game has triple buffering enabled by default. Most games do these days, very few let you disable it. Why you would perceive less input lag by forcing triple buffering I do not know, but I'd wager it's placebo at work. The input lag should remain the same, or in the case of double-buffered games, increase it.

Skyrim, just like Oblivion and Fallout3/NV, uses an excessively high pre-rendered frames limit. Changing this limit from your graphic card's control panel gets overridden by most games and doesn't have any effect, but you can use a DLL injection called D3D9 Antilag to override the pre-render limit of any DX9 game. Setting it to 1 in Skyrim reduces lag considerably, but reduces the framerate as well. Setting 2 still reduces lag noticeably, but no longer seems to affect the framerate.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:58    Post subject:
hmm.... i'm not quite sure what but something tells me i need to disable auto-notify to replied topics.



Laughing few hundred reply notification emails, just counting the skyrim thread
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AlhoPorro




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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 05:10    Post subject:
when we buy a new house does our items automatically transfer from the old one?
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 05:24    Post subject:
I've got the bug where vilkas is following me around everywhere.
I need to pay off fines to stop him apparently.
Though looking at general stats and crime i have bountys in both "The reach" and "east march"

I can't see either of those places on the map. where are they?


EDIT: never mind they are regions lol.


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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 06:23    Post subject:
Sad went back to get all my dragon scale and bone where i stored it and its not there no more.. fuckkkkkkkkk!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 06:29    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:
Sad went back to get all my dragon scale and bone where i stored it and its not there no more.. fuckkkkkkkkk!!!!!!


Ran into the same problem, was mad for like 5min and still kept playing Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 06:42    Post subject:
bought a new house moose? asking so i don't get the same 3 full armor sets vanishing wouldn't make me happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 06:55    Post subject:
UN-FUCKING-ACCEPTABLE. First bug or crash I've had with skyrim. I estimate after about 20 hours of just having fun. Almost level 15. Was in the town that you wake up in after the drinking contest. Going through the abandoned house with some guy and I hit quick save. And everything froze.

Now EVERY SINGLE fucking save game is corrupt. Fuck that. I love the game but that kind of shit pisses me off. All that time is now 100% wasted. fuck.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 06:58    Post subject:
dodger2020 wrote:
UN-FUCKING-ACCEPTABLE. First bug or crash I've had with skyrim. I estimate after about 20 hours of just having fun. Almost level 15. Was in the town that you wake up in after the drinking contest. Going through the abandoned house with some guy and I hit quick save. And everything froze.

Now EVERY SINGLE fucking save game is corrupt. Fuck that. I love the game but that kind of shit pisses me off. All that time is now 100% wasted. fuck.


wow.... the whole comp froze? actually makes sense if that's it, especially if it was writing to the disk and had to be hard reset, probably should do a chkdsk too Sad
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:00    Post subject:
dodger have you tried copying the saves out starting a new game saving that then exiting and pasting the saves back? it once fixed the same issue for me in morrowind (granted that i was 200h in edit : in morrowind that is)

Ps have you used any heavy cheats or mods? sometimes the effects of those can take ages to go in (ie wrecking your game)
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:04    Post subject:
Cyb3r wrote:
dodger have you tried copying the saves out starting a new game saving that then exiting and pasting the saves back? it once fixed the same issue for me in morrowind (granted that i was 200h in edit : in morrowind that is)

Ps have you used any heavy cheats or mods? sometimes the effects of those can take ages to go in (ie wrecking your game)


No, no cheats, mods, or console commands. I play them these games vanilla Smile It froze in the middle of quicksaving. Tried to load any save and it gave a corrupt error. On a whim I deleted the quicksave file and, magically, now the other saves work again so I didn't lose too much. What kind of shit programming is that?

So if anyone else gets a corrupt save problem, you likely just need to delete the corrupt one and hopefully the rest start working again.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:06    Post subject:
eh dodger that happens more than once tho a corrupted save can block access of other saves i had that happen in the mod i wrote for freelancer and once in vanilla freelancer and there's other games filecorruption can be a bitch but glad i was of some help ^^

Oh and no console commands in a beth game that is off elder scrolls make is really hard to do hello bugs stopping you from advancing quests or companions getting stuck in the wall are just a small selection atleast it isn't as bad as Oblivion was bugwise at the start

So far the only issues i had where random ctd's to desktop when alt tabbing which was strangely fixed by lowering the shadows from ultra to high (and i'm running the fxaa mod oh well Smile)

Btw does anyone have a fix to the launcher that keeps "Data files" displaying it grayed out? any fix i tried so far produces the same aka nada Sad
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:17    Post subject:
Something is odd about that house. Not any one specific spot in it but inside there it's actually caused a hard freeze on my computer twice now. Hopefully it'll be fixed with the patch they're working on. Only place in the game I've had any problems. Damn sure keeping my saves backed up periodically now though Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:17    Post subject:
Use the backup, same as in Oblivion to Fallout 3, each save creates a backup first so you should be able to use that one. Smile

C:\Users\JonasB\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Saves
(Where my user-name is what you use for your account of course.)

.ess.bak renamed (delete the other .ess file.) to .ess and then load that file. Smile
(I keep three saves just as a precaution but the backup mechanics is pretty solid.)

EDIT: Seems you got it to work.
(Also as in Oblivion don't rely on quick or auto saving, it will get damaged and corrupted easily as you noticed, you can use them but don't over rely on them.)


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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:18    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
Use the backup, same as in Oblivion to Fallout 3, each save creates a backup first so you should be able to use that one. Smile


Tried that. The quicksave backup was corrupted too. It would at least *try* to load with it but just stick on the loading screen. Had to completely delete the quicksave (and the backup) for any of the other saves to work.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:22    Post subject:
Yeh it's cause you chrashed during the save which corrupted it any other corruption can be fixed by the method jb posted ^^

Finally fixed the launcher issue to get the launcher to work displaying data files add

[Launcher]
bEnableFileSelection=1

to the top of Skyrimprefs.ini in my documents ^^
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 07:52    Post subject:
@Sabin On the 7000 steps and Just encountered my first frost troll. Killed me in two swipes. It's late I have a meeting in the morning so I am going to bed. Saved at the bottom of the stairs but you have me fearing for my life and I don't think I am properly prepared for this at level 6 (been real busy so haven't been able to play this week). Will find out tomorrow if I am going to get totally frustrated or not. At least you warned everyone that it may suck at this point.


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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 08:00    Post subject:
http://www.abload.de/img/tesv5yzud4.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/tesv10dxuss.jpg

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=2940001&postcount=156

A little test I did, comparison is between 5 and 10 here. (not 7 which is used in the above url.)

VSync (presentinterval) also has to be set in Skyrim.ini, not skyrimprefs.ini which was why I could not get these two to work properly.

EDIT: As usual that didn't work.





EDIT: Of course the same limitations from Fallout 3 or Oblivion still exist here, you set this and then save you can't lower it without it crashing the save game.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 08:14    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
http://www.abload.de/img/tesv5yzud4.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/tesv10dxuss.jpg

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=2940001&postcount=156

A little test I did, comparison is between 5 and 10 here. (not 7 which is used in the above url.)

VSync (presentinterval) also has to be set in Skyrim.ini, not skyrimprefs.ini which was why I could not get these two to work properly.

EDIT: As usual that didn't work.



Very nice. I like the higher quality (10?) setting. Did you get a performance hit? You changed uGridsToLoad right?





EDIT: Of course the same limitations from Fallout 3 or Oblivion still exist here, you set this and then save you can't lower it without it crashing the save game.
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 08:15    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
http://www.abload.de/img/tesv5yzud4.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/tesv10dxuss.jpg

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=2940001&postcount=156

A little test I did, comparison is between 5 and 10 here. (not 7 which is used in the above url.)

VSync (presentinterval) also has to be set in Skyrim.ini, not skyrimprefs.ini which was why I could not get these two to work properly.

EDIT: As usual that didn't work.
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EDIT: Of course the same limitations from Fallout 3 or Oblivion still exist here, you set this and then save you can't lower it without it crashing the save game.


Very nice. I like the higher quality (10?) setting. Did you get a performance hit? You changed uGridsToLoad right?
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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 08:30    Post subject:
whaaa

something snapped in the head of my companion Sad




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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 08:37    Post subject:
Chiv wth happened to your lydia? Oo

Pretty sure she needs a medik :O
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