Making USB 3.0 drives run faster ... your jaws will fall
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Jun 2015 01:57    Post subject: Making USB 3.0 drives run faster ... your jaws will fall
So was testing some sticks for a friend that bought some cheap crap and reprogramming those to their real size ... and when i looked for vendor flashers for them ... i found a interesting article ... about usb speeds and about a thing, that some vendors use to boost performance ... my mind was like "what a load of BS Laughing "

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/usb-3-uas-turbo,3215-3.html

Quote:
Turbo Mode, Explained

Turbo mode is relatively uncomplicated, basically involving a simple modification of the BOT driver at the operating system level. ASRock's XFast USB and Asus' USB 3.0 Boost utilities enable Turbo mode, though these software tools are proprietary to specific ASRock or Asus motherboards.

Manually enabling Turbo mode on a board from a vendor that doesn't offer its own utility is possible by modifying the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINES\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\usbstor\054C00C1 registry key. Add a 32-bit DWORD value named "MaximumTransferLength" and specify the maximum transfer size value between 65535 (64 KB) and 2097120 (2 MB) in the data field. Depending on the vendor, some Turbo mode optimizations occur at the signaling level to remove the wait, ready, and acknowledge commands inherent to USB. However, these optimizations play only a minor role in how Turbo mode improves performance.


and i did the test
my usb 3.0 drive
Code:
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.3
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :   114.688 MB/s
          Sequential Write :    71.602 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    97.332 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :   135.817 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) :     0.404 MB/s [    98.7 IOPS]
   Random Write 4KB (QD=1) :     1.186 MB/s [   289.5 IOPS]
   Random Read 4KB (QD=32) :     0.507 MB/s [   123.9 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=32) :     1.304 MB/s [   318.3 IOPS]

  Test : 50 MB [E: 96.5% (2695.7/2794.5 GB)] (x1)


after the registry edit :
Code:
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.3
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :   131.094 MB/s
          Sequential Write :    79.293 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    90.620 MB/s <== this mofo drooped but well
        Random Write 512KB :   138.723 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) :     2.042 MB/s [   498.4 IOPS]
   Random Write 4KB (QD=1) :     2.141 MB/s [   522.7 IOPS]
   Random Read 4KB (QD=32) :     0.874 MB/s [   213.3 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=32) :     2.308 MB/s [   563.5 IOPS]

  Test : 50 MB [E: 96.5% (2695.7/2794.5 GB)] (x1)


Awesome So Much Win Pffchh well it depends on a drive ... for some it slows them down a bit but for some ... gives a nice speed boost




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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Jun 2015 09:25    Post subject:
i guess that would be useful if i had at least one USB3 device Laughing

all my files are on internal storate, network storage or cloud storage. USB storage as far as i'm concerned is dead like optical media storage. the only time i use USB device is when i want to do fresh windows install. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Jun 2015 10:31    Post subject:
I'll try this out. Thx hfric. Btw what happens if your board does not support those features? Will it fall back to the standard featureset or might it break something?


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Jun 2015 15:25    Post subject:
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Jun 2015 17:38    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
I'll try this out. Thx hfric. Btw what happens if your board does not support those features? Will it fall back to the standard featureset or might it break something?

It does not break a thing , it even makes USB 2.0 Sticks/HDDS 2 mb faster ... not a boost but hey 2mb faster ...

The thing is all WesternDigital USB 3.0 HDDs and Segate 3.0 HDDs have those chips ... but they did not announced it ... why ??? dunno , guess they though those HDDs inside that are 5400 rpms and this chip adds no speed boost ... think again

Heck even my USB 3.0 32GIG Datatraveler 100 G3 from Kingston ... works now 37/43mb faster at the speed those producers advertised... meaning always at 90mb/s, then random 47/53mb/s before this ... Shocked thats fucking unreal Laughing

Why is this not common knowledge for 3.0 USB users is beyond me ... a simple registry optimize and .. profit

its like those SSD drivers that somehow made SSD FASTER THEN BEFORE


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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 17:23    Post subject:
Has anyone noticed that they can no longer charge their devices via USB3.0 after this tweak? My Xperia no longer charges properly, the charging icon comes on and it keeps enough power to not "drain", but it doesn't charge any more - not even trickle charging. Taking it off my PC and plugging it into the wall charges in a few hours, connecting to USB on my wife's laptop charges in a few hours too.

This only started happening after the reg tweak and before I put it back to normal, I just wanted to check if anyone else noticed diminished USB charging.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 17:25    Post subject:
Charging your phone via usb isn't suggested anyway, apparently it'll shorten the life of your battery :/


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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 17:26    Post subject:
Uh... that's a new one on me. Never heard that before. Have you got any sources I can research, please? Every phone on the market comes with USB chargers Neutral

~edit~

Oh and this only applies to my USB3.0 ports. Connecting the phone to USB2.0 has it charge normally.
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tolanri




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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 20:27    Post subject:
USB 2.0 (I don't know if anything changed in USB3.0 specs in this regard) ports on motherboard provide standard 5V/500mA (by specification). There are those who think it will shorten the battery life of devices if you are charging slower (less amperage) thank your original USB charger that comes with the phone (my LG G2 for example is 5V/1800mA. My educated guess is that it's bullshit, it just makes the battery to charge slowly. But I don't really know much about lithium batteries, so ...

Anyway even if it does decrease lifespan of batteries, I think it would be only marginally otherwise there would be more to be found on the internet by now. Besides considering typical effective lifespan of today china devices I think lifespan of its batteries is no issue.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 20:29    Post subject:
I just checked my phone, seems like it's not the tweak..... but the actual port itself Facepalm I've got 4 front panel USB ports; USB3.0 and USB2.0 on the left and USB2.0 and USB3.0 on the right. It seems like my leftmost USB3.0 port "works" but isn't delivering enough power to charge Sad I stuck the phone in the rightmost USB3.0 port and it charged in less than two hours.

Crisis averted. Still, shame about this port. Why is it being dodgy now? And why only for power delivery and not data transfers or overall connectivity?
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tolanri




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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 20:42    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
I just checked my phone, seems like it's not the tweak..... but the actual port itself Facepalm I've got 4 front panel USB ports; USB3.0 and USB2.0 on the left and USB2.0 and USB3.0 on the right. It seems like my leftmost USB3.0 port "works" but isn't delivering enough power to charge Sad I stuck the phone in the rightmost USB3.0 port and it charged in less than two hours.

Crisis averted. Still, shame about this port. Why is it being dodgy now? And why only for power delivery and not data transfers or overall connectivity?


Check out USBDeview from NirSoft. It'll show you how much power it draws.



rgb#000 wrote:
i guess that would be useful if i had at least one USB3 device Laughing

all my files are on internal storate, network storage or cloud storage. USB storage as far as i'm concerned is dead like optical media storage. the only time i use USB device is when i want to do fresh windows install. Laughing


To be honest, I don't think it's dead. NAS is usually very expensive if you want some simple backup (photos etc.). Cloud is useless for truly important files like photos or documents (issues being privacy, or being dependant on some third party company that can terminate your account or whatever whenever they want). I am not saying cloud or NAS are bad, but they are far from ideal in many situations. I would wager that for most people, USB external drives are still possibly most suited for their needs.

That being said those truly critical files are best to be backed up in all ways you can possibly manage. My KeePass databases for example, are backed up encrypted on several cloud storages regularly. They are also backed up to all my USB drives and thumbstick whenever they are inserted to my computer, and finally they are backed up to my small server hosted in datacenter via FTP and they are also distributed among all computers and phone that I manage/own. It's all automated using brilliant SyncBack Pro program. Yes it might sound paranoid, but if I ever lost these files it would truly be disastrous Smile
Other, less critical files like photos are just backed up automaticaly to my USB external drive and distributed among other computers (over LAN and one over internet).


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 20:51    Post subject:
Nice one man, thanks a lot! Smile

~edit~

Supposedly only drawing 500mAh from either USB3 ports. I don't think that's entirely accurate Neutral I plug it into USB2 and it's the same; 500mAh. Oh well, as long as it's charging I don't care, still very strange why it absolutely refuses to charge in one USB3 port and yet works fine in the other.
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tolanri




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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 20:59    Post subject:
I don't really know if those values are accurate. I never used USBDeview for purpose of finding how much it draws, I just knew such feature was in it... Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 21:01    Post subject:
Maybe it's showing how much power the "device" is rated for drawing? I don't know, either way, it's working in a separate port so thanks for the app nonetheless Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jun 2015 21:47    Post subject:
it depends on the chip on the device you connect. that chip handles out how much power the usb port gives. if your mobile phone doesnt support some quickcharge feature (i forgot the real name of it) it always gets 500mAh from PC USB-Port, doenst matter if usb 3 (which could deliver more) or usb2
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Jun 2015 03:26    Post subject:
Laughing sabina , stop

derail complete
from boosting usb3.0 performance to ... my port is broken

Laughing


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