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Ronhrin
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let us be honest, starforce has won the fight for over a year, and for those of you who think that being abble to play a game by unpluging your IDE cables are a victory, you need to recheck your definiton of ridiculous, for over a year no one was able to find a way to win this strange and stupid method, starforce has won so far...
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 15:45 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 15:46 Post subject: |
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| KrutojPoc wrote: | | highstuff wrote: | | well the bad thing is you need to dissable ide drive to play secu7 clones that sucks with previous deamon tools this wasn't necesary. instead of securom7stop now need to use sfnighmare , I think the deamon team already regrets it that they have released this hehe this just pisses off to many people. |
You dont understand it. Only latest SR7 and SD4 games look for IDE drive to run. If the game doesnt work simply mounted in DT4 it will NOT work with sr7stop/antiblaxx/sd4hide too unless you unplug your IDE drives.
Older games like Matrix: Path of Neo etc work fine in DT4 without unplugging anything just mount and play |
ah I see thanks for clearing that up.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 15:51 Post subject: |
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got a few things to remark about for all of us having trouble with starforce........
the people that can run the games could you please tell us if u are unplugging ide drives or not
and if you are not running any ide drives only sata.........
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ady5
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 16:02 Post subject: |
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just remember guys that DT4 is free(atm at least). If u think u can do better than DT4 can do, by all means go ahead and amaze us. U can't expect a cd emulator to bypass all the protections out there, but u can expect to make your life a little bit easier, wich DT4 does. If u don't like it, don't use it, and stick to dt3.47, sfcure, sfnightmare, unplug the ide and play. If u're not gonna do that either, go buy the game and stop complaining.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 16:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 16:12 Post subject: |
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| ady5 wrote: | | just remember guys that DT4 is free(atm at least). If u think u can do better than DT4 can do, by all means go ahead and amaze us. U can't expect a cd emulator to bypass all the protections out there, but u can expect to make your life a little bit easier, wich DT4 does. If u don't like it, don't use it, and stick to dt3.47, sfcure, sfnightmare, unplug the ide and play. If u're not gonna do that either, go buy the game and stop complaining. |
we all had high hopes for daemon tools 4
we wasnt led to believe anything different...
so i think its wrong to say (go buy the game and stop complaining)
I hope that daemon tools pro solves all starforce problems..
iff so i will not mind paying for it..........
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 16:15 Post subject: |
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ady5
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 16:16 Post subject: |
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maybe u didn't go to the daemon tools forums lately. I didn't see one mention in there in wich it says that DT4 will be an ide emulator. True, DT pro it's advertised as one of those, but not DT4. DT4 is ismply a reworked code so that it can be unblacklisted more easily with future patches, to make the impelemntation of new ideas easier(wich the 3.xx platform couldn't do anymore). Until DTpro is released and proves himeself, i think DT4 is the next step towards eliminating the protections. At least those as intrusive as Starforce.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 16:53 Post subject: |
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Hi all, do you think is it possible to connect a simple on/off switch to you're IDE drive ??
So you can easy'ly just switch the drive off when you want to use DT4!?
Anyone tested Total overdose with DT4 jet??
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ady5
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 16:59 Post subject: |
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| ticket2fly wrote: | Hi all, do you think is it possible to connect a simple on/off switch to you're IDE drive ??
So you can easy'ly just switch the drive off when you want to use DT4!?
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I just imagine in the future, ide cables will be standard fitted with switches for the lazyman's gaming life. Damn, how much the game scene has transformed from not even a year ago. In 2004 i hardly ever heard of starforce, now it's expected to be in every game out there.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 17:13 Post subject: |
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How about optical drives that are connected to a controller? Do you still need to unplug those?
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 17:18 Post subject: |
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no if you have ure dvdrom drives connected to such raid controller then you don't need to unplug anything. but starforce might even block raid controllers in the future I expect them to they have proven to be lunatic soon the protection will be so incompatible publsihers will stay far awaay from starforce trash.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 17:26 Post subject: |
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| highstuff wrote: | | no if you have ure dvdrom drives connected to such raid controller then you don't need to unplug anything. but starforce might even block raid controllers in the future I expect them to they have proven to be lunatic soon the protection will be so incompatible publsihers will stay far awaay from starforce trash. |
Cool, knew putting my optical drives on my controller might have other benefits. Also have an external USB drive I built over the weekend, just turn that off with a switch.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 17:29 Post subject: |
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non game works ( matrix,gt legends ) with this new DT4 ...
and no I did not unplug my dvd burners as I cant live without them...
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 17:37 Post subject: |
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IF, notice the big IF, unplugging drives becomes more common it may make sense for some to move there optical drives out of there box and place them in to USB/Fireware external enclosures. I just picked up an enclosure over the weekend for less the $40. Then you can at least flip the power to disable the drives.
Just a thought for those that don't want to mess with IDE cables.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 17:38 Post subject: |
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| CRA$HH110011001 wrote: | non game works ( matrix,gt legends ) with this new DT4 ...
and no I did not unplug my dvd burners as I cant live without them... |
if u don't unplug optica drives u could save time testing games... of course they wont run. wait peacefully dtoolspro
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 17:51 Post subject: |
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Good Day,
Really, all this is getting very confusing and really we do need someone that can clarify it all...What I understand from all I have read is the following,
1.- Games with SF Protection version older than 3.5 works with DT4 and SFN.
2.- Games with SF Protection version greater than 3.5 need to UNPLUG IDE cables.
With the two points above, from my point of view, DT4 does very little to improve our SF problems. But today, I have read need posts and things are getting more complicated,
a.- Some members say they run every game with DT4 and SFN.....Please can you explain how you do that, if you have to unplug your IDE cables and what do you mean by all games?
b.- Other members tell that they cannot make any game to run with DT4.
c.- And now the SATA "revelation". There are posts that indicate that if you have Windows installed in a SATA drive you dont need to UNPLUG any cable..only use SFN. If this is true, can you explain the reason, or better what options do you use in SFN?..really...only saying ALL THE GAMES WORKS doesnt help a lot.
LAST MINUTE TESTS:
I have a SATA HDD and IDE optical drives. I concluded te following using GT Legends as dummy test,
1.- GT Legends + DT4 + SFN : Disc Protection Error
2.- GT Legends + DT4 + OPTICAL IDES UNPLUGGED : Works OK.
So please, the member that posted about SATA drives can he calrify if he has IDES?, if he unplugs them? or what configuration does he use with SFN?
I will post newer results with my SATA HDD later...But please I make a call to someone who can clarify all this mess..Thanks..
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werdercanuck
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 18:06 Post subject: |
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if you update a SF game, it will also, most of the times, update the starforce drivers.
f.e. TMsunrise unpatched worked with sfn, but after i updated i had to disconnect my dvd drive
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TheNerd
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 18:18 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 19:20 Post subject: |
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Well, thank God there is such a thing as System restore. Tried every method te get back to my old SFCure friend, not one game managed to start after I uninstalled DT4. I had to revert to a 3 day old restore point to get my shit back the same it was....10x alot DT.
Now, for the unplugging part : got my monthly payment today, went to the store and bought myself a nice 5.25' noname alluminium USB enclosure, cost about 40$ (for under 30$ you could just get the IDE to USB adapter, but having an alluminium enclosure was more appealing to me, matches my rest of the system), went home, got rid of the superb DT4, got my shit back together, put my DVDRW into the enclosure, got rid of the old CDROM, pull out all of my IDE cables leading to the MB IDE connectors ( my 3 HDD are on a PCI ATA RAID card), plugged the enclosure and voila! no more IDE cables for me to mess with. Did a couple of tests on GT Legends, X3, WorldRacing2, King Kong, SCCT. No more DT4 for me, 10x. I'm back with SFCure, it starts at boot, just mounting in Alcohol, 3 seconds check and I'm set to go.
Whenever I need to burn/read a DVD, just push the power button at the back of the unit, have my things done, then switch off.
Good luck with the DT4 guys, as I said before, I'm not even get the IDE plugin. For 40$ I got all the SF games I can leech for free and without pulling my cables everytime I want to play the newer SF games, besides having a usefull piece of hardware.
Have fun waiting for the DT4.with.IDE.plugin.no.bullshit.this.time.swear.to.God.PROPER.REPACK, I ,for one, had it with it.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 19:28 Post subject: |
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sorry u have bad experience with dtools. for me it's perfect, 2 days i'm playing anything just mounting the image... i dont have internal drives
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 19:41 Post subject: PCI IDE Controller -> no more unplugging |
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To whoever suggested that method in this thread: thanks!
Connected my drives to a cheap Promise Ultra100 TX2 I had and now all I need to do is disable the controller in the hardware manager to make StarForce accept the DT4 drive. Had only read about the USB method so far.
Only letdown with that controller is that it needs a CD inserted in any drive during bootup to enable itself, but better than unplugging anyway.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 19:44 Post subject: |
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| Selt wrote: | | sorry u have bad experience with dtools. for me it's perfect, 2 days i'm playing anything just mounting the image... i dont have internal drives |
Oh yeah, you forgot to mention that part. Without any internal drives, sure thing it works like a charm. Now I'm in that position too, but I'm not gonna use DT4 even if they payed me. BTW, SFCure seems to have quite a support, it's at version 0.1k atm, don't remember where I've seen this, I'm working with the 0.1c version, haven't had a BSOD since I made it an automated process, so respect to eip and all the guys who made it possible..
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 19:47 Post subject: Re: PCI IDE Controller -> no more unplugging |
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| ChaosHunter wrote: | To whoever suggested that method in this thread: thanks!
Connected my drives to a cheap Promise Ultra100 TX2 I had and now all I need to do is disable the controller in the hardware manager to make StarForce accept the DT4 drive. Had only read about the USB method so far.
Only letdown with that controller is that it needs a CD inserted in any drive during bootup to enable itself, but better than unplugging anyway. |
Well thank you, I'm glad you got it to work. Maybe mine would have worked too, now I'm with USB device, so I'm not even gonna try it anymore.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 19:51 Post subject: Re: PCI IDE Controller -> no more unplugging |
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| ChaosHunter wrote: | To whoever suggested that method in this thread: thanks!
Connected my drives to a cheap Promise Ultra100 TX2 I had and now all I need to do is disable the controller in the hardware manager to make StarForce accept the DT4 drive. Had only read about the USB method so far.
Only letdown with that controller is that it needs a CD inserted in any drive during bootup to enable itself, but better than unplugging anyway. |
requires any cd? lol this reminds me of ultima "cracks"... coincidence?
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 20:53 Post subject: |
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24 hours later, has ANYONE, with IDE drives manage to play X3 Reunion without unplugging the cables?
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World Racing 2 with SF3 works perfect without sfcure or anything like that, and e.g. Matrix Path of Neo with patch works perfect too 
What a fuck :Evil: Ok Sfcure is not neccessary anymore but e.g. Path of Neo works now without doing anything in the registry 
