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| Kaltern wrote: | I am disabled, can't work because of it, am not married (yet), don't own my own house and live in Scotland.
I'm fucked. |
Yup. "Great" Britain apparently.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th May 2015 23:54 Post subject: |
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Personally I thought Ed Miliband seemed a decent guy, he had a lot of conviction. No fucking charisma though.
His brother would have been a much better leader in my opinion.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 01:04 Post subject: |
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I'm not a Brit and I approve of this thread....
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tywyn
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 15:21 Post subject: |
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It's a fucking disaster in reality. The Tories will dismantle the NHS, screw the disabled, sick and poor even further, and will soon be changing the boundaries reducing the number of MP's from 650 to 600. These boundary changes will help the Tories secure seats more easily, so locking Labour out of power. With the loss of Labour support in Scotland and the rise of the SNP it's going to be a mountain to climb for Labour. Scotland it SNP, England is Conservative and Wales is Labour. It's anything but an United Kingdom. Now the Tories are the sole governing party they will now unleash many of their policies that they were unable to in the last government due to their coalition partner. Now the ruthless Tory bastards will do what Tories do and fill and feather their own and rich boys pockets, while the rest of us get fucked over. I remember the Tories well from the 80's. God help us all and this country! Eton educated schoolboys and aristocrats fed with silver spoons and no conception of how the working man lives are running the country.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 15:23 Post subject: |
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| tywyn wrote: | | Now the Tories are the sole governing party they will now unleash many of their policies that they were unable to in the last government due to their coalition partners. Now the ruthless Tory bastards will do what Tories do and fill and feather their own and rich boys pockets, while the rest of us get fucked over. God help us all and this country! |
It's a living nightmare is what it is, we're completely and utterly fucked and the only ones benefiting from this are the rich. It's unreal.
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tywyn
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 15:37 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | tywyn wrote: | | Now the Tories are the sole governing party they will now unleash many of their policies that they were unable to in the last government due to their coalition partners. Now the ruthless Tory bastards will do what Tories do and fill and feather their own and rich boys pockets, while the rest of us get fucked over. God help us all and this country! |
It's a living nightmare is what it is, we're completely and utterly fucked and the only ones benefiting from this are the rich. It's unreal. |
Too right we're fucked.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 17:37 Post subject: |
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I suppose I could hope for a Scottish revolution 
The only silver lining, is not all Tory backbenchers will fall into line, and some of the more oppressive bills might be more difficult to push through, especially with the SNP deliberately blocking pretty much anything the Cons try to vote for - if only 13 Tory votes are a No, then it's very likely that the bill won't immediately be passed.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 17:40 Post subject: |
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If I didn't have my wife to support me, there's no way I'd have even survived the last three years since The ConArtists stripped me of everything. That's a terrifying thought when you think about all those people at risk now who don't have that chance and possibility.
But hey... apparently the average wage in the UK is £500+ a week and people have never been better off! Honest guv'nor!
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 17:54 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | If I didn't have my wife to support me, there's no way I'd have even survived the last three years since The ConArtists stripped me of everything. That's a terrifying thought when you think about all those people at risk now who don't have that chance and possibility.
But hey... apparently the average wage in the UK is £500+ a week and people have never been better off! Honest guv'nor! |
My favourite Tory lie is about how much employment is up, even though a lot of the employment is part time or zero hour contracts. |
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sausje
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 18:03 Post subject: |
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And people still think this voting is being done honest? 
People are stupid, but voting on those that keep fucking them over time after time after time?!
Hearing from that video, basically 2 completely opposite parties go into coalition and the party that was for the "normal" working people completely bents over and gets assfucked and breaking all promises and let the other party just do whatever the fuck they want?!
If that's true, it's EXACTLY what is happening here in NL, coincidence? Nah
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tywyn
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 21:14 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | If I didn't have my wife to support me, there's no way I'd have even survived the last three years since The ConArtists stripped me of everything. That's a terrifying thought when you think about all those people at risk now who don't have that chance and possibility.
But hey... apparently the average wage in the UK is £500+ a week and people have never been better off! Honest guv'nor! |
Luckily for me I'm a self employed landlord and don't have a mortgage on my house. It's not a fortune, but enough for me to live on. It will be 10 years next month since I had a 'proper job'. I could maybe get a job, but I prefer to have the freedom to walk my dog on the beach when I want, got to bed and get up and do what I want, when I want. As I live alone and have time to organise my life, I honestly don't have time (or the need) for a full time job. Maybe 15 -20 hours per week would be ok.
The UK is the 5th richest county in the world, yet there are millions using food banks, the NHS and the education system is crumbling, and many jobs are crappy zero hours or
temporary and part time. Just glad I'm not under 30.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 22:41 Post subject: |
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How serious is Cameron about exiting the EU? Is the referendum just a shitty trick to postpone the decision and keep the sheeple happy, or does he want to exit?
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 22:50 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | How serious is Cameron about exiting the EU? Is the referendum just a shitty trick to postpone the decision and keep the sheeple happy, or does he want to exit? |
On what would they blame everything then? EU is the best tool for those politicians... blame it when things go wrong and when it does go right say you did it  |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th May 2015 22:59 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | How serious is Cameron about exiting the EU? Is the referendum just a shitty trick to postpone the decision and keep the sheeple happy, or does he want to exit? |
Cameron and Osborne are both pro-EU. One good thing about them I guess.
Personally, I doubt we'll end up leaving. Cameron will probably put a lot of resources into a campaign for staying in, and the anti-EU tories will probably be forced to tow the party line as business leaders in the UK have sensibly made it very clear that they want us to stay in. |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2015 01:39 Post subject: |
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I hate Camoron and chums.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2015 10:08 Post subject: |
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| tywyn wrote: | | The UK is the 5th richest county in the world |
Correction: the UK is the 5th largest economy. That's something different entirely. Even on GDP the UK does not hit the top 20. And in terms of "wealth"? The UK has the second largest deficit, right after the US.
And guess what? That is despite the open market the EU provides. 50% of the UK's exports are into Europe; getting out of the EU would not only make trading with the EU that much harder, it would also make it a lot more expensive, because most of the same people that oppose the EU haven't got a damn clue of just how easy and cheap it is to trade within the EU right now (even though the shit they produce probably still gets exported). And that goes even more so for the financial sector, which is the UK's biggest and most important sector. The open trading within the EU saves so much money for that sector.
For the EU, the UK leaving wouldn't be that big of a deal. It would obviously hurt the overall economy a bit, but what the UK doesn't realise is that for "us" there's little reason to negotiate the same kind of trading agreements with a separate UK as we have within the EU. Only like 5% of all trade within the EU goes to the UK. The UK sure as shit wouldn't get the same free trade terms as it has now, why would it? There would be so little gain, as opposed to treating the UK the same way as the rest of the world and charging them accordingly.
The only thing where the UK has been right is the Euro. But then again, the same people that oppose the Euro generally oppose the EU as a whole. Point in question is Farage. I find it baffling that someone who comes from the bloody financial sector can spout some of the bullshit he does. The UK's problem is not the EU, the UK's problem is the UK itself. The deficit doesn't come from trade with the EU; it's the trade with the EU that has limited just how big that deficit has become.
Edit: and yes, this is a topic that I care a great deal about, my UK colleagues are kind of vital to my income  |
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2015 12:03 Post subject: |
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Heh I'm definitely having to agree with most of your comments... the UK thinks it's bigger than it is, and the majority of that comes from the current flock of politicians who somehow believe they are more important than the rest of Europe.
Yes the Euro is a disaster. Yes the EU is trying to become the next US.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2015 13:20 Post subject: |
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I'm not denying that the Euro has ruined some countries, although for others it has been great. And there are also countries where it's not the Euro, but just crappy government. But the Euro isn't the European Union.
And there are a lot of things the EU tries or has tried to do that won't work, both because there are some members extremely set in their often antiquated and dumb ways. For some of them, that comes from their extreme chauvinism.
For businesses the EU is bloody fantastic though. Trading within the EU has very few rules, no real costs. VAT is piss easy to deal with, despite every country having different laws and percentages. There's no import/export costs within the EU. Dealing with companies or employees in other countries is almost the same as doing so in your own country. The EU is actually better than the US on some of these aspects.
Even for consumers the EU has some great things. Just the consumer protection law (2 years minimum warranty, to be fulfilled by the vendor, not manufacturer) is something that even now, after all these years, a lot of people aren't aware of. I've made half my colleagues in the UK aware of that because shops would deny them their warranty within that period and they all got their shit sorted because it's a law, not a guideline. And why are they not aware? Exactly because most Brits simply don't have a single clue what the EU is, does and means for them.
Same goes for Scotland for that matter though. I said the same thing with your referendum. Most Scots just don't realise that were Scotland to become independent, all that money they think Scotland has wouldn't magically become available. Half of that would suddenly have to be spent on costs that are waivered now.
Aside from Scotland being in an even weaker position to negotiate shit with the EU 
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