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 Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 19:54 Post subject: Micro stutters |
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Just some thing you can try, to fix micro stutters in-game, and share your results:
1. if you have >=16GB of RAM, remove your page file from Advanced System Setting > Performance > Advacned (restart required)
a. if you have 8GB you can try it too, but only for playing the game
b. if you have SSD, try moving your page file to that volume
2. Set Power plan to High performance, and validate that Advanced Power Options > PCI Express > Link State Power Management = Off (restart required)
3. Stop CPU throttling from Advanced Power Options > Processor power management > Minimum processor stage = 100% (restart required)
4. Stop GPU throttling from NVidia Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings > Power Management mode = Prefer maximum performance (restart required)
a. Set Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration to Single display performance mode (if you have only 1 display/GPU)
5. Close all browsers, especially Chrome while playing, in fact close all other applications you can
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 20:29 Post subject: |
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Any tips on how to fix the broken macro shutters on my window?
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 20:33 Post subject: |
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What about the in-game sluttering? 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 20:45 Post subject: |
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Stuttering/stutters?
Because my pc and games work fine when I have my shutters open or closed. 
And more serious: Even at 16GB you shouldn't remove the pagefile. Advice seems to be rather random tbh.
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 21:00 Post subject: |
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1. if you have >=16GB of RAM, remove your page file from Advanced System Setting > Performance > Advacned (restart required)
a. if you have 8GB you can try it too, but only for playing the game
b. if you have SSD, try moving your page file to that volume
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NEVER EVER REMOVE THE FUCKING PAGEFILE! you will get random crashes in applications and games and you will never find out why, but the reason is even if enough ram is free many applications need the pagefile!
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 22:05 Post subject: |
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I have my pagefile on a RAMDisk.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 22:21 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | NEVER EVER REMOVE THE FUCKING PAGEFILE!... |
NEVER EVER USE AMD VIDEO CARDS! they have bad video drivers..
see how you sound like?
your information is outdated, by several years..
I haven't had a page file for 2 years, haven't found a program that crashes yet
and everybody has heard not to remove the page file, but nobody actually found a single program that crashes, because it was removed
| scaramonga wrote: | Windows will create a very small pagefile, even if you have it disabled regardless  |
sause please!
| Morphineus wrote: | | And more serious: Even at 16GB you shouldn't remove the pagefile. Advice seems to be rather random tbh. |
my whole approach is to remove throttling in non-intensive moments of games
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 22:35 Post subject: |
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6. If you've followed all the previous steps carefully, don't forget to delete the System32 and SysWOW64 folders as well, the stuttering will go away 100% guaranteed!
a. You'll instantly have your penis enlarged by two inches
b. Along with $10k cash on your paypal account, just reply with your personal details to nigerian.abaeze @ badu.gov asap! 
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 00:20 Post subject: |
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Or Dying Light. I had to enable my page file for that one.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 00:25 Post subject: |
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I never had a problem with having a page file, so y'all fucking then.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 10:44 Post subject: |
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GTA 5 crashed, took me a while to find out it's because I listened to some random advice on the internet (disable pagefile) some time ago.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 11:05 Post subject: |
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| flipp wrote: | | GTA 5 crashed, took me a while to find out it's because I listened to some random advice on the internet (disable pagefile) some time ago. |
exactly. people recommending to turn off paging file are utterly clueless. their argument that it was beneficial years ago and not any more is invalid, misleading and false. if it was so, Windows 10, OS that's coming out in year 2015, wouldn't have paging file feature enabled for computers with 16 or 32 or even 64gb ram. Microsoft knows a bit more about their own OS than some random guy on the internet forum, or some random blogger.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 11:47 Post subject: |
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The paging file will be used less frequently the more RAM one has, yes, but it will still get used in certain situations, regardless of your RAM size. It's there for a reason, and best left alone. If one must tamper with it, then set a 'fixed' size file, but in all honesty, system managed does a good job as it is, and removing it altogether is just asking for problems.
Running your game from an SSD drive directly, will do more to fix stuttering, than removing parts of the OS that are not meant to be removed.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 12:16 Post subject: |
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Disabling paging file is the same as with everything, know the risks and disable it if you can live with them. Just because Microsoft added it doesn't mean it's best for you, similarly how just because Intel knows the best about processors it doesn't mean no one should overclock them.
Personally I haven't had a single crash in about 3 years with 16GB of RAM. I'm most definitely not going to enable it since all that can bring me is wasted SSD writes and potential slowdowns (even though that should be minimal with an SSD, but why risk it for zero benefit).
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 12:18 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: |
NEVER EVER REMOVE THE FUCKING PAGEFILE! you will get random crashes in applications and games and you will never find out why, but the reason is even if enough ram is free many applications need the pagefile! |
Ive been running without one for 3-4 years.
Play games out the ass, do VM's for work, photoshop, DAW music software, compressing 6-7 gig files for work,script compiling etc.. no issues.
I think I found one or 2 things years back that looked to see if it existed that wouldn't run, but it just cared if it was there. set it to min size it would let me of 20mb I think it was, and game ran fine.
There probably is some situations where it would be better to have one and cause issues/crashes/lockups, but seems nothing I do myself makes it pop up.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 12:56 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | | Try the Warhammer 40,000 games. Won't even run without a pagefile. |
FALSE
just played 1-st mission of Steam Warhammer 40000 DoW GOTY, no problem
| flipp wrote: | | GTA 5 crashed, took me a while to find out it's because I listened to some random advice on the internet (disable pagefile) some time ago. |
FALSE
played Steam GTA5 with no problems on release for 40h, and then 10h more in online
| Werelds wrote: | | Or Dying Light. I had to enable my page file for that one. |
FALSE
played the AWAKENING(prologue?) up till I got to the 1-st floor, no problems whatsoever, on max video settings 1080p
Dying Light [v1.4.0 Incl. All DLC's] [RePack]
maybe your issue was fixed with a patch, or unrelated at all to page file
| rgb#000 wrote: | | exactly. people recommending to turn off paging file are utterly clueless. their argument that it was beneficial years ago and not any more is invalid, misleading and false. if it was so, Windows 10, OS that's coming out in year 2015, wouldn't have paging file feature enabled for computers with 16 or 32 or even 64gb ram. Microsoft knows a bit more about their own OS than some random guy on the internet forum, or some random blogger. |
that's like saying "people who overclock are utterly clueless, hardware vendors know a bit more about their products, than some random guy on the internet/forum/blog"
they do it, because can't envision every scenario of hardware/software, and to make sure there are less problems, for people who don't understand computers
it either works or doesn't for your particular case
next person who posts "removing page file is bad" on the grounds of "someone told me" or "I read somewhere" should be considered offtopic
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 14:45 Post subject: |
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| StrEagle wrote: |
| flipp wrote: | | GTA 5 crashed, took me a while to find out it's because I listened to some random advice on the internet (disable pagefile) some time ago. |
FALSE
played Steam GTA5 with no problems on release for 40h, and then 10h more in online
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Same here, according to steam I have "135 hrs on record" with GTAV and no crashes other than ones over the course of a day related to me changing that splash/landing screen setting and pulling a gun out in a car after throwing a grenade, changing it back fixed those.
Dont get me wrong, not defending "no pagefile is needed ever in any situation". But to run without one if your able to is perfectly fine.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 16:09 Post subject: |
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| StrEagle wrote: | | Newty182 wrote: | | Try the Warhammer 40,000 games. Won't even run without a pagefile. |
FALSE
just played 1-st mission of Steam Warhammer 40000 DoW GOTY, no problem
| flipp wrote: | | GTA 5 crashed, took me a while to find out it's because I listened to some random advice on the internet (disable pagefile) some time ago. |
FALSE
played Steam GTA5 with no problems on release for 40h, and then 10h more in online
| Werelds wrote: | | Or Dying Light. I had to enable my page file for that one. |
FALSE
played the AWAKENING(prologue?) up till I got to the 1-st floor, no problems whatsoever, on max video settings 1080p
Dying Light [v1.4.0 Incl. All DLC's] [RePack]
maybe your issue was fixed with a patch, or unrelated at all to page file
| rgb#000 wrote: | | exactly. people recommending to turn off paging file are utterly clueless. their argument that it was beneficial years ago and not any more is invalid, misleading and false. if it was so, Windows 10, OS that's coming out in year 2015, wouldn't have paging file feature enabled for computers with 16 or 32 or even 64gb ram. Microsoft knows a bit more about their own OS than some random guy on the internet forum, or some random blogger. |
that's like saying "people who overclock are utterly clueless, hardware vendors know a bit more about their products, than some random guy on the internet/forum/blog"
they do it, because can't envision every scenario of hardware/software, and to make sure there are less problems, for people who don't understand computers
it either works or doesn't for your particular case
next person who posts "removing page file is bad" on the grounds of "someone told me" or "I read somewhere" should be considered offtopic |
wow, you tested few games mentioned here for 30 minutes on your particular system and what does that count for? exactly jack and shit. play 50 different games on 50 different systems in their entirety without paging file, log all the data, then we are talking.
now, original point of this topic was stuttering causes. paging file doesn't cause stuttering, never has, never will. that's utter nonsense that you are spouting here. only completely clueless person about what page file is and does can make claims that it causes stuttering in games.
what can i even say about you trying to compare paging file to overclocking... oh dear...
lasty, you go on and on and on about gaming. you do realize PC usage doesn't revolve around gaming for majority of people, maybe it does for you, but not for others. there are tons of applications and scenarios that easily eat through 16GB of ram in minutes and page file is a must.
you start with talking about paging file as #1 reason for stuttering but when people counter your claims it's suddenly offtopic talk? yeah... no, that's not how forums work.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 16:26 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | paging file doesn't cause stuttering, never has, never will. |
That's a bold statement that's completely false. Games stutter when they need to transfer data from RAM to video memory, which are both very fast with high bandwidth. Imagine what happens when data they expect to be in RAM ends up being paged out to a drive? Drives can have hundred times slower access times and many times smaller bandwidth than RAM.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 16:42 Post subject: |
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so pagefile is on ssd, ssds are big enough nowadays. if you got 16 or more GB its no problem to reduce the size of the pagefile to 50% of the ram. but with "only" 8gb its not recommended to reduce or even deactivate it. deal with it or stfu. ive read plenty of threads (not on the hump) with idiots crying "mimi but i never had problems and i always directly deativated the pagefile after installing windows and i wont activate it again cause it would waste space, i have xxx gb ram ffs, this application/game crashes cause of other things". after a slight insult from my side they instantly go to my ignore list
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 17:07 Post subject: I have left. |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 17:17 Post subject: |
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| Shoshomiga wrote: | | Does anybody on this thread even have a clue what the page file does? |
Do you?
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 17:20 Post subject: |
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It pages files, no?
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 17:22 Post subject: |
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A virtual memory storage. It swaps out data in memory or stores it for page calls for either data that's not being used at the moment(minimized windows that aren't being called) temp chucks of none critical data being modified by some process, or large chunks of data that are read/write to rarely to conserve RAM space as needed as the system determines what needs fast access and what can be pushed to it for slower access to free space.
Way I always heard it compared to in my IT circles:
Think of sitting at a desk, with the top of your desk your RAM, easily accessed quick reference sheets you need at a glance all in fingers reach. A filing cabinet next to you is your Pagefile. While the huge folder rack storage cabinets in the middle of the room is your Harddrive.
To move one paper at a time from the rack cabinet to work on is slow going work..so its moved all 'locally' to your workspace.
To save desk space any files that are large and read less often, not being used but needed just not at the moment are moved to the filing cabinet right next to you where its still accessible to you quickly just a bit more time consuming to pull in and out.
If you have a small desk the desk space can get filled quickly and no more sheets of paper can be put on it without either trashing some (clearing it out of RAM), or putting some in the cabinet.
The larger your desk space (RAM) the less filing cabinet you need depending on how many folders and envelops of paper you need on the desk, at any given time. How busy your desk is, and how often info off the sheets is needed and in what volume determines if you need a large cabinet, small cabinet, or larger desk.
Once a file/folder on your desk is done being used totally, it is moved to the huge folder rack where it stored modified and updated, until someone/something needs it again. then its moved to the desk space and/or to filing cabinet back and forth until it needs to be replaced in the folder rack.
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