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 Posted: Fri, 10th Apr 2015 21:05 Post subject: |
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Yup. Also how often don't we hear about "this time the AI will be smarter, work together as units etc" in games and yet they end up seemingly more stupid.
I get programming AI is fucking hard, but man, I wish they'd stop saying that shit when they can't back it up.
I guess they won't be 'worse' than on par with the ones in 3, but still, not going to hope for long strides.
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Apr 2015 21:50 Post subject: |
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| EternalBlueScreen wrote: | Yup. Also how often don't we hear about "this time the AI will be smarter, work together as units etc" in games and yet they end up seemingly more stupid.
I get programming AI is fucking hard, but man, I wish they'd stop saying that shit when they can't back it up.
I guess they won't be 'worse' than on par with the ones in 3, but still, not going to hope for long strides. |
Programming competent AI is not that hard, problem with competent AI is, they'd fucking massacre the player pretty fast.
Imagine, if you take out an NPC, others call in, he doesn't respond, then they do a tactical sweep and clear for you. Would be almost impossible to take them out, if they coordinated.
What's REALLY hard in AI programming, is getting the challenge just right. Make them seem lifelike, but still relatively easy to dispatch, or the derps would be frustrated.
It's a long time dream of mine, when difficulty settings don't influence NPC health or stats, (like pinpoint accuracy), but they influence smarts.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 06:44 Post subject: |
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The AI programmer of FEAR1 later on went to MIT for post graduate studies in AI.
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 08:56 Post subject: |
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Let's see: Half Life, F.E.A.R. and the original FarCry had a rather decent AI. I seriously doubt that Eidos Montreal can do something comparable.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 09:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 09:47 Post subject: |
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| blackdochia wrote: | | Let's see: Half Life, F.E.A.R. and the original FarCry had a rather decent AI. I seriously doubt that Eidos Montreal can do something comparable. |
 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 13:26 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 14:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 14:55 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: |
Programming competent AI is not that hard, problem with competent AI is, they'd fucking massacre the player pretty fast.
Imagine, if you take out an NPC, others call in, he doesn't respond, then they do a tactical sweep and clear for you. Would be almost impossible to take them out, if they coordinated.
What's REALLY hard in AI programming, is getting the challenge just right. Make them seem lifelike, but still relatively easy to dispatch, or the derps would be frustrated.
It's a long time dream of mine, when difficulty settings don't influence NPC health or stats, (like pinpoint accuracy), but they influence smarts. |
I'd believe programming a truly competent and realistic AI is actually quite hard. You have to simulate command hierarchies, psychological factors, take into account dynamically changing environments, AI beliefs vs AI knowledge and much more.
Even if you can code it, it would still use quite a big chunk of performance and RAM for required search spaces.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 17:59 Post subject: |
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| blackdochia wrote: | | Let's see: Half Life, F.E.A.R. and the original FarCry had a rather decent AI. I seriously doubt that Eidos Montreal can do something comparable. |
Never played Unreal? The Skaarj are better than all those.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 18:23 Post subject: |
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Can't remember tha AI in Unreal being anything special at all, but it's been a while.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 18:24 Post subject: |
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If by "better", you meant "running toward the player and shooting", then sure.  Then again, I don't remember anything special in HL1 either.
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Parabolica
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dsergei
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 20:07 Post subject: |
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HL1 had decent AI for the Combine soldiers. They covered each other and were pretty good at throwing grednades. FEAR had the best FPS AI I've ever seen but it seemed that they had specific flanking routes pre-programmed and many of the levels made it hard for you to keep your back against the wall, so you constantly felt threatened. If you found a spot they could not flank they eventually just ran at you one by one.
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dsergei
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Apr 2015 23:52 Post subject: |
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hl1 soldiers ai was great.
fear was incredible
far cry was stupid "we know where you are ai"
3080, ps5, lg oled
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Apr 2015 00:14 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | Can't remember tha AI in Unreal being anything special at all, but it's been a while. |
| LeoNatan wrote: | | If by "better", you meant "running toward the player and shooting", then sure. Then again, I don't remember anything special in HL1 either. |
Well, you guys should replay unreal 1 and check out the Skaarj AI. they strafe, roll, avoid projectiles, can do platforming, escape when wounded. |
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Apr 2015 07:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Apr 2015 07:36 Post subject: |
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