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StEFaN7
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why would they make something for free anyway
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 17:53 Post subject: |
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| raven_g20 wrote: | | The issue is that they say one thing and do another. |
You mean like that article where they said they would give away incidental small DLC for free but charge for expansion-sized content? That sounds suspiciously like what they are doing.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 18:08 Post subject: |
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| StEFaN7 wrote: | | why would they make something for free anyway |
To get a healthy relationship with your customers and build up loyality? But I forgot, nowadays it's not the customer that tells them what he wants, it's them telling the customer what he wants.
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nLight
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 18:43 Post subject: |
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| DCB wrote: | | raven_g20 wrote: | | The issue is that they say one thing and do another. |
You mean like that article where they said they would give away incidental small DLC for free but charge for expansion-sized content? That sounds suspiciously like what they are doing. |
Exactly.
You have to be pretty naive or dumb, if you think a company can survive without actually making money somehow. Atleast they charge for old school-type expansion packs instead of following everyone else and their whore armor dlc´s.
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nLight
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:03 Post subject: |
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| nLight wrote: | | Oh they make money, but it cost allot of money to create a game. |
You realise Witcher 2 cost less than $11m to make, right? And that TW3 is costing less than $15m? With a further $23m spent on marketing?
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:08 Post subject: |
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So, assuming for a moment that they are currently profitable and have adequate financial reserves, that means, what? That they should just work for the next 12 months and give away everything for free?
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nLight
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:10 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | nLight wrote: | | Oh they make money, but it cost allot of money to create a game. |
You realise Witcher 2 cost less than $11m to make, right? And that TW3 is costing less than $15m? With a further $23m spent on marketing? |
Source?
Second of all, im no communist. i hope they make money, allot of money.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:14 Post subject: |
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$30 million dollars seems a reasonably significant amount.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:16 Post subject: |
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| DCB wrote: | | $30 million dollars seems a reasonably significant amount. |
$10m for TW2. $15m for TW3. nLight seems to think they didn't make much money because "games cost a lot of money", when this was actually such a ridiculously low amount compared to pretty much any other AAA game on the market.. and make no mistake, TW2 was a AAA game.
Yeah, I'm sure the company is struggling to make money, completely totally right. Quick, go buy a few season passes so their kids can eat tonight.
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nLight
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:24 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | DCB wrote: | | $30 million dollars seems a reasonably significant amount. |
$10m for TW2. $15m for TW3. nLight seems to think they didn't make much money because "games cost a lot of money", when this was actually such a ridiculously low amount compared to pretty much any other AAA game on the market.. and make no mistake, TW2 was a AAA game.
Yeah, I'm sure the company is struggling to make money, completely totally right. Quick, go buy a few season passes so their kids can eat tonight. |
Fine. Maybe now they will be able to pay the team better, i dont know, dont care either.
Fact is, charging for proper expansion packs is not a big deal and its definitely not greed, that was my original point. to much whine over nothing.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:27 Post subject: |
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| nLight wrote: | | Fact is, charging for proper expansion packs is not a big deal and its definitely not greed, that was my original point. to much whine over nothing. |
You're absolutely right, making and charging for proper expansion packs is absolutely not greed. Not unless we're talking about Blizzard, in which case every single thing they do is pure greed. No, our point has always been about the changes the company has gone through and to *then* announce, and charge for, expansion packs before the base game is even out.
THAT is a sign of greed.
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prudislav
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:31 Post subject: |
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i will just leave this here (or maybe will add other games later on).... lets see who is the greedy one...
| Quote: | Witcher 3...
- 20% discount just for owning the previous games.
- Soundtrack, Artbook, Compendium, map, stickers in every box.
- 16 cosmetic, skins, quests, items DLC for free.
- No in game preorder bonuses.
- DRM free available on gog.
- $25 for 30 hours of add on content.
Dragon Age: Inquisition...
- Full price, no discount.
- Nothing included, not even a manual
- $10 for Digital Deluxe edition gets you cosmetic and item DLC
- In game exclusives for preordering
- No DRM free version available , Origin/Denuvo mix
- $15 for 5 hours of additional content (and surely more to come) |
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nLight
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:36 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | nLight wrote: | | Fact is, charging for proper expansion packs is not a big deal and its definitely not greed, that was my original point. to much whine over nothing. |
You're absolutely right, making and charging for proper expansion packs is absolutely not greed. Not unless we're talking about Blizzard, in which case every single thing they do is pure greed. No, our point has always been about the changes the company has gone through and to *then* announce, and charge for, expansion packs before the base game is even out.
THAT is a sign of greed. |
No not really, i admit. The word SEASON PASS makes me cry.
But in this case the expansion packs isnt done. Its not like they cut it off the game and released it 1 month later, we are talking Fall for the first one and Q1 for the second.
AND if people decides to pre-buy these expansion packs its up to them, i wont.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:37 Post subject: |
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Who cares, when they announce. You are free to buy it, or not buy it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.
They probably see a lot of pre-release sales of TW3, the hype is strong, and now is the optimal time from a business perspective to do this.
The deal itself is more than fair. This is very obviously not content cut from the game, so what's wrong with it?
The world is not black/white. These guys getting rich? They fully deserve it, good for them!
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nLight
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:39 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | Who cares, when they announce. You are free to buy it, or not buy it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.
They probably see a lot of pre-release sales of TW3, the hype is strong, and now is the optimal time from a business perspective to do this.
The deal itself is more than fair. This is very obviously not content cut from the game, so what's wrong with it?
The world is not black/white. These guys getting rich? They fully deserve it, good for them! |
Thank you! a fucking sane person on the hump, im all giddy inside.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:46 Post subject: |
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What Radicalus said.
Also, there's one thing I seriously don't get. Some of you - Sabin included - have already pre-ordered the game.
Meaning, you paid for the game, without knowing it's quality, based on trust, many, many months prior to release. But now, for some unexplainable reason paying for big expansion packs (the size of many a game) prior to their release is bad? Please enlighten me what makes one norm and the other greed, because I'm seriously not seeing it.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:47 Post subject: |
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So very bored of this thread and the CDPR fanatics who are unwilling to see wrongdoing and will not allow others to hold any contrary opinion.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:52 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | So very bored of this thread and the CDPR fanatics who are unwilling to see wrongdoing and will not allow others to hold any contrary opinion. |
One could argue:
"So very bored of this thread and the CDPR haters who are unwilling to see anything positive and will not allow others to hold any contrary opinion."
Nobody is denying you your opinion, some just don't agree with it fully.
Calling me a fanatic is also wrong. Factually wrong. I have pretty many problems with TW3, just not the same ones you are having.
I am entitled to my opinion just as you are to yours, and we are arguing over it. I see nothing wrong about that. We can agree to disagree, but don't accuse me of untrue things.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:57 Post subject: |
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Many of us have explained our reasoning many times and each and every time, you and your friends have told us we're wrong. I'm sorry, is that your idea of allowing others to have an opinion you don't share? Funny. Just remember your defences the next time a company announces DLC and season passes before the game is even out, remember that it's completely fine and you're not allowed to raise issue with it.
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nLight
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 21:57 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | So very bored of this thread and the CDPR fanatics who are unwilling to see wrongdoing and will not allow others to hold any contrary opinion. |
wow.
You have opinions i have opinions, who kept you from sharing you´re opinions?
Oh i get it, you want your rant to go unchallenged and if it doesnt, we are fanboys or even better, lunatics.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 22:01 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Many of us have explained our reasoning many times and each and every time, you and your friends have told us we're wrong. I'm sorry, is that your idea of allowing others to have an opinion you don't share? Funny. Just remember your defences the next time a company announces DLC and season passes before the game is even out, remember that it's completely fine and you're not allowed to raise issue with it. |
One could argue:
"Many of us have explained our reasoning many times and each and every time, you and your friends have told us we're wrong. I'm sorry, is that your idea of allowing others to have an opinion you don't share?"
Take a look at that. If that statement is true about me, then it is true about you as well. We're just on differing sides of the argument. Because many of us have explained as well, and you guys told us we were wrong.
Welcome to the world of differing opinions.
Just exactly who is stopping your from having an opinion? No one. Some of us just happen to disagree on this issue.
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prudislav
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 22:08 Post subject: |
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as for their previous statements regarding DLCs
| Quote: | 2013: CD Projekt RED: The Witcher 3 Will Not Get Any Paid DLC
http://news.softpedia.com/news/CD-Projekt-RED-The-Witcher-3-Will-Not-Get-Any-Paid-DLC-371896.shtml
The developer adds, “We believe patches, fixes and additional content should be provided to gamers free of charge. Only something really big, and something that will not make you feel ripped off, justifies a price tag.”
2015: The Witcher 3 Dev On Making A Stand Against Paid DLC
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/01/26/the-witcher-3-dev-on-making-a-stand-against-paid-dlc
“Yeah, we are making a statement,” he added. “We, as gamers, would like to be treated this way, 'Hey, give me free DLC.' It doesn't have to be something huge. And I'm saying we aren't giving out huge stuff, we aren't giving tens of hours of storyline here, we are giving small bits of pieces that don't cost a lot. |
@sabin: As CDPR said
| Quote: | | While we’re offering the Expansion Pass now, we want to make one thing clear: don’t buy it if you have any doubts. Wait for reviews or play The Witcher and see if you like it first. As always, it’s your call,” Iwiński concludes. |
Stating their plans for the game ahead of time is worse than keeping people in the dark until last minute?
1st world problems 
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 22:26 Post subject: |
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| prudislav wrote: | i will just leave this here (or maybe will add other games later on).... lets see who is the greedy one...
| Quote: | Witcher 3...
- 20% discount just for owning the previous games.
- Soundtrack, Artbook, Compendium, map, stickers in every box.
- 16 cosmetic, skins, quests, items DLC for free.
- No in game preorder bonuses.
- DRM free available on gog.
- $25 for 30 hours of add on content.
Dragon Age: Inquisition...
- Full price, no discount.
- Nothing included, not even a manual
- $10 for Digital Deluxe edition gets you cosmetic and item DLC
- In game exclusives for preordering
- No DRM free version available , Origin/Denuvo mix
- $15 for 5 hours of additional content (and surely more to come) |
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Touché
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Apr 2015 23:52 Post subject: |
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The problem is pure semantics and timing... "Expansion Pass" is so tainted (rightfully so) that the mere usage of it is like pissing in a pool. And the fact that you can buy that Expansion Pass for content that releases in late-2015 and 2016 before the game is even released leaves a bad taste.
If they had announced the same expansions a month after release and offered to preorder them, nobody wouldve made a fuss.
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