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Interinactive
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 11:43    Post subject: Running out of space
My SSD has 30GB free

After exiting a game I noticed it said I had 28MB free. Nothing is being installed, nothing else is running, and the only way to get the space back is to restart the machine.

I have another PC with less than 30GB free and the issue does not occur. Anyone know why?

Both running clean installs of Windows 8.1. It's not a one off thing, it keeps happening with any game I run.
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 11:49    Post subject:
Unsure what it could be but here's some general suggestions:


Perhaps the shadowcopy service / Windows Restore that is taking up some space?
(Pagefile if on automatic shouldn't be more than 2 - 4 GB.)

Try running "cleanmgr.exe" (Or in the control panel under administrative tools and disk cleanup.) and let that do a scan to tell you how much space these take along with temp files and other stuff. Smile

Windows Update also caches installed updates that you can clean out this way but they are compressed and shouldn't take that much disk space.


Could also check the temp folder manually and see if there's anything there or use CCleaner and see what a scan finds if the Windows cleanup manager doesn't report anything with the restore service backups. Smile
(Or go into the system properties and Windows Restore options to see what those are set to.)

http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download
(Check the install options for each tab/page carefully as to avoid Google Chrome and Google Toolbar installs, it's harmless compared to what some programs want to bundle but personally I don't want them so they get unticked along with various shell extensions.)


EDIT: Autoruns or Process Monitor can also be used to check what's running currently, with Autoruns it's usually just a lot of MS and Windows stuff which I tend to hide so it just shows third party content which ranges from autostart programs to services to codecs and browser tools.
(Haven't used Process monitor much myself but it can be handy to see what is currently running and what those programs do.)

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/default


EDIT: Having read your post more carefully I'd recommend process monitor and checking what the system is doing, also checking C:\Windows\Temp and the User temp folder for anything but it happening with any game is really weird.
(Could be the restore service too even so but it shouldn't trigger like that.)

EDIT:
What's the hibernation file doing by the way? I don't see why that should start causing issues but that could also be the problem though it should never take more than your RAM amount if I remember correctly.

I keep hibernation disabled for various reasons but checking the C drive or what you use as a system drive with hidden and system files shown and seeing what the size of the hibernation, page and swap .sys files are before and after starting a game and this occurs might help, if that is the issue then since they get emptied at a restart it could explain this problem.
(But what could be causing it?)


EDIT: Here's something with the Windows indexing service taking up a lot of space, might be worth checking. Smile
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/297374-32-unexplained-loss-space-drive-windows#6122056

(So I guess looking into that in the control panel -> indexing and seeing what is indexed and current space used might help or just check said file directly to see what size it is.)
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flipp




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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 15:07    Post subject:
http://www.jam-software.de/treesize/
Gives a nice overview of size of folders and a ~30GB difference should be easily spotted with this.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 16:24    Post subject: I have left.
I have left.
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Ankh




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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 19:30    Post subject:
Do like I did. 4x512gb raind and 2x128gb and you wont run out of space in awhile Smile

shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 19:34    Post subject:
That is very weird thing. No space on my ssd is changing outside of me installing apps/games.

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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 20:30    Post subject:
Sounds like pagefile spamming.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Feb 2015 21:22    Post subject:
yeah but why would pagefile grow pigger by itself ? Isnt it set to be 1.5 times of ram amount by default ?

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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 03:09    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
yeah but why would pagefile grow pigger by itself ? Isnt it set to be 1.5 times of ram amount by default ?


No, by default it will grow when excited, and shrink when finished Very Happy

Best setting a 'fixed' default. Just take the 'recommended' size and set it fixed, although in Win 8+, it seems to manage it quite well, as I've never touched the thing.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 03:31    Post subject:
or get 16GB of ram and remove the bloody thing Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 04:07    Post subject:
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 14:37    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
or get 16GB of ram and remove the bloody thing Very Happy

bad suggestion. even with 16GB or more ram pagefile is beneficial, especially on SSD.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 15:20    Post subject:
even if page file is on SSD, RAM is still faster

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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 15:36    Post subject:


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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 19:23    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
even if page file is on SSD, RAM is still faster

you don't understand what pagefile is at all.

http://lifehacker.com/5426041/understanding-the-windows-pagefile-and-why-you-shouldnt-disable-it
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 20:08    Post subject:
I know that article

you rely on 5 year old information, when ram was expensive and 16gigs were a dream and not supported on desktop

read it again, pay special attention, what drawbacks are there, except in the occasion of running out of memory

it's been around a year of not having any page file, I have yet to run into any issues

I barely make it up to 60% of limit utilization, playing games non-stop

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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 20:23    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
or get 16GB of ram and remove the bloody thing Very Happy

never wholly remove the page file. I used to do that and it is causing problems with some games and apps.
best leave it at 4gb fixed... or at least some small amount. 1gb was not enough and I had to raise it to 4gb fixed for derp of duty advanced ramfare

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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 21:24    Post subject:
It seems to grow pigger than 4GB tho Sad

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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 21:56    Post subject:
Maybe because I play different games than you guys, but this has been my pagefile for years:

Only reason I have 40mb is a handful of older games wanted to see one. Havent had any issue with it at only 40mb myself. No reason its 40 specifically, I just typed an arbitrary tiny number so they could see I had 'something'.

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PostPosted: Sun, 15th Feb 2015 22:45    Post subject:
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 12:28    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
I know that article

you rely on 5 year old information, when ram was expensive and 16gigs were a dream and not supported on desktop

read it again, pay special attention, what drawbacks are there, except in the occasion of running out of memory

it's been around a year of not having any page file, I have yet to run into any issues

I barely make it up to 60% of limit utilization, playing games non-stop

5 years old or not, same stuff applies today. this isn't the only article that says pagefile is beneficial, actually most articles like this where people did extensive test recommend leaving pagefile on.

i also used to run without page file when i got 16GB ram for the first time. and also thought like you that everything was fine, until i started noticing all kinds of weirdness going on, and some professional applications refusing to launch at all without pagefile. maybe if all you ever do is browse internet and play games then you can get away without pagefile, but for people who do more with their computers it's a must.

that's why windows 8.1 has pagefile even if you have 16 or 32 or 64gb ram, and same with windows 10.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 12:34    Post subject:
Not really RGB
I play games, internet, do remote server, RDP connections, 2-3 VM machines at a time for work, coding in eclipse, Photoshop, Vegas and adobe aftereffects, Play around with 3D model software (badly), music in FL studio with ASIO..all kinds of things.
Never had an issue with my 40mb pagefile.
A 40mb one is pretty much the same as not having one (as far as its practical use) and no issue in 3-4 years. Like I said only reason I have 40, is so things that check for one sees it..but its all virtually useless as its function.

Maybe I've got lucky, but I cant think of anything someone else would do I haven't done at one time or another

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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 12:52    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:
StrEagle wrote:
or get 16GB of ram and remove the bloody thing Very Happy

bad suggestion. even with 16GB or more ram pagefile is beneficial, especially on SSD.


So incredibly wrong.

1. It's not beneficial unless your applications are crashing due to out of memory errors. If you have 16GB of RAM that should be pretty unlikely (I'm running like that for years). As long as you have a pagefile Windows will try to store stuff in there, even though if there's plenty of room in RAM, which results in worse performance. With SSD it might not be nearly as noticeable than with a HDD but the performance drop will still be there when reading stuff from page file to RAM.

2. You should always try to limit writes on an SSD and allowing Windows to write unnecessary data to it while you have plenty of RAM is just silly.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 14:36    Post subject:
garus wrote:
Ankh wrote:
Do like I did. 4x512gb raind and 2x128gb and you wont run out of space in awhile Smile

But you will run out of money Very Happy


Details Garus! Details!! Wink
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