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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 02:14 Post subject: |
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| A-A wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | A-A wrote: | So who's still playing it after refunding?  |
Why, are you making a list?  |
Checking it twice  |
you can only refund till whatever the date/time was they said you could apparently then I am guessing all bets are off on if you will still be able to login after that. |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 03:24 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: |
The point is there was a promise there would only be cosmetic stuff |
This is what happens on the internet when an exaggeration goes viral.
here, an article from august 2014 about air drops.
http://www.vg247.com/2014/08/16/h1z1-pc-ps4-gamescom-soe-live/
| Quote: | | Airdrops will provide survivors with ammunition, food, water, weapons and other supplies. These aren’t free supplies being handed out by a group such as the Red Cross or anything either: they are purchased via the in-game store |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 03:34 Post subject: |
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airdrops are not a given you get good items either, the one i opened which was not even mine earlier had a flame torch and a 300 size bum bag lol, oh and a spear, some sticks and wood planks. hmm yeah really p2w that 
They have said and be good if it stays that way that even airdrops have a low chance of weapon drops like guns or ammo. Its more than likely going to be a CSGO chest unlock type thing lool, where you better hope the rng is lucky for you.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 05:01 Post subject: |
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I also saw a thread earlier with pics of quest caches. apparently zombies can drop a note, that leads you to a treasure cache that only has loot for the note carrier. guy got a shotgun, ammo, military pack and other goodies in it.
The zombies drop a lot of ammo as well. i've seen poeple farm zombie respawn areas already
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 05:42 Post subject: |
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It's quite funny that you guys even consider defending these kind of practices.
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LMLM
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 06:08 Post subject: |
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The game itself is a lot of fun already. I am stoked for the map additions and tweaking. For me, EA was well worth it. I like this direction for SOE without a doubt more than a MMORPG or whatever the corporate suits would prefer.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 07:00 Post subject: |
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just found one of those quest keys, got a shotgun with 40 ammo, and 1 minute later run into a KOSer with a shotgun as well rofl. 
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 07:44 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | | Prefetian wrote: | | It's quite funny that you guys even consider defending these kind of practices. |
I don't think anyone is actually defending these practises but rather debunking exaggerations and bullshit that goes around, everyone assuming it's true because this giant number of people can't obviously be wrong. |
It's not just the 'loot crates', it's actually the whole concept. 15€/$ for an early access game that will become free to play (or maybe pay2win) when it's done is shameful in itself. And on top of that there are rumors about the 'loot crates' which contain guns, ammo and food/water. Also the crates which you need to buy keys for to unlock.
The whole thing could have been avoided if they just made the game so you'd have to buy it and then everything in it would be free, this current situation (to me) just an evolution of DLC's ten years ago. Trying to find new ways on how you can successfully milk your customers as much as possible.
Anywho, good luck to them and y'all. ^_^ |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 07:49 Post subject: |
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The problem with paying for early access is imagine player base, seever load, complaints if you didn't
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 11:20 Post subject: |
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Its just 15 notes ffs not like its breaking the bank. 3 good beers up the local public house here, ho ho ho oh no I just pissed it into the toilet what a waste. 
not like I personally buy every EA game either as I am sure many here also don't.
If anyone wants to look at EA backing get in the starcitizen thread 
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 12:23 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | | Prefetian wrote: | | It's quite funny that you guys even consider defending these kind of practices. |
I don't think anyone is actually defending these practises but rather debunking exaggerations and bullshit that goes around, everyone assuming it's true because this giant number of people can't obviously be wrong. |
It is P2W no matter how much you try to justify it or spin it (basic: you pay for improvements, what happens after that doesn't change its meaning). I think you have more a problem with thinking people who say this is P2W mean that it's a bad game.
One can be still a good game on its own. But every hint of P2W will make me (and a lot of people) go: fuck that. Its even worse when they kept on repeating: only cosmetic stuff.
Not that I'm that surprised, had enough experience with this kind of dealings from SOE. But hey, now they have a new demographic to screw over since I bet most whom are into Hizi don't have much experience with them.
To say it bluntly... a company like SOE doesn't deserve you standing up for them. Save that zest for other ones. 
| moosenoodles wrote: | | Its just 15 notes ffs not like its breaking the bank. 3 good beers up the local public house here, ho ho ho oh no I just pissed it into the toilet what a waste. |
For me it's not about the amount at all... it's the trend these EA titles brought to the MMO genre. Which makes it even more ridiculous than what it became over the years.
For 2 decades I was beta testing for free... now they see even more cash to be had by letting people test for money. P2W made the genre worse, EA practices makes it even more shit.
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Surray
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 12:25 Post subject: |
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release later this year / when it's done
that's all.
Likot Mosuskekim, Woodcutter cancels Sleep: Interrupted by Elephant.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 12:32 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | | m3th0d2008 wrote: | | Prefetian wrote: | | It's quite funny that you guys even consider defending these kind of practices. |
I don't think anyone is actually defending these practises but rather debunking exaggerations and bullshit that goes around, everyone assuming it's true because this giant number of people can't obviously be wrong. |
It is P2W no matter how much you try to justify it or spin it (basic: you pay for improvements, what happens after that doesn't change its meaning). I think you have more a problem with thinking people who say this is P2W mean that it's a bad game.
One can be still a good game on its own. But every hint of P2W will make me (and a lot of people) go: fuck that. Its even worse when they kept on repeating: only cosmetic stuff.
Not that I'm that surprised, had enough experience with this kind of dealings from SOE. But hey, now they have a new demographic to screw over since I bet most whom are into Hizi don't have much experience with them.
To say it bluntly... a company like SOE doesn't deserve you standing up for them. Save that zest for other ones.
| moosenoodles wrote: | | Its just 15 notes ffs not like its breaking the bank. 3 good beers up the local public house here, ho ho ho oh no I just pissed it into the toilet what a waste. |
For me it's not about the amount at all... it's the trend this EA titles brought to the MMO genre. Which makes it even more ridiculous than what it became over the years.
For 2 decades I was beta testing for free... now they see even more cash to be had by letting people test for money. P2W made the genre worse, EA practices makes it even more shit. |
I understand but also you have to realise and unfortunate no matter how much that is, we are having this style of marketing and we will be able to do very little about it.
We either embrace it and make our choice on which games we might go and spend money with EA or just say fuck it and never try that game.
for me it seems to be the old age issue that we have when clinging to our fave operating system and reluctant to change to the next. Eventually we all get over it and just go with the flow. Seems to be the same for fair few things in life that this can be applied with. |
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 12:40 Post subject: |
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Well I guess we'll just have to disagree then, since I don't see it as you are seeing it.
Definitely not the example you gave. Vista and 8 never came into my house and I'm even one of their MS certified monkeys
If there's change there has to be enough of a benefit for me, if not: I won't change for the sake of change.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 12:41 Post subject: |
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I used to be pretty anti-SOE but then I got involved with Planetside 2 and got into the community and stuff over the last two years (I was in beta, too) and was pleasantly surprised. They really try to engage the community and for the most part, I wouldn't call PS2 a P2W game. There's side-grades (weapons), there's cosmetics (armor, helmets, decals, lighting), and there's convenience (speeds up the grind). World of Tanks is far worse, which is one reason I quit it to play PS2. Anyway, many of the camos, helmets, and such things are made by artists in the community who get feedback and also get a cut of the sales. I never felt like I had to pay money...in fact I mostly did to support the independent artists and also for fun cosmetic stuff.
I have over 600 hours in that game but the true veterans have ten times that or more. To the average new player who gets killed ten times in a row by these guys, it's easy to say it's P2W and that's why you died...I know, I was one of them. Over time you realize that you just can't compete with people who live for these kinds of F2P titles until you get more experience, and that also partially means the grind. In any case, my point is that SOE has one of the best attitudes towards the F2P market and they are constantly changing it based on community feedback so don't throw in the towel on this.
Not sure how I feel about early access, though, but it does seem more suitable for this type of game, especially with how SOE deals with the community...certainly more reasonable than half the early accesses I've seen. Contestable, paid-for airdrops is something that simply must be tweaked to be fair. I'm all for game elements like that if they make for more compelling gameplay without breaking balance.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 15:01 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 16:57 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | Its just 15 notes ffs not like its breaking the bank. |
To me it's absolutely not about the amount but the principle. It could have been 1 €/$/£ and it would still just as shameful to charge your beta-testers money.
Ohh, that DLC for those red boots in wasteland 2 is only 50 cent....need need need!
I need to make my gun look like it has weed on it, how much? 10 $, no problem! |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 17:00 Post subject: |
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Dude just don't pay and wait 1 year for the final f2p version.
Boom case closed
the 20$ is more like a fee for the impatient people that wants for play right now and follow the developpment of the game
The amount of people with sand in their vagina on all the different forums is freaking insane
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Surray
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 17:01 Post subject: |
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I don't mind it at all honestly.
If people want to play early and pay for money for it, why not let them?
It's like legalizing the market for account sharing of closed betas.
You can simply... not buy it.. where's the problem there?
They're not pretending it's finished like WarZ or some shit.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 17:05 Post subject: |
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| deadpoetic wrote: | Dude just don't pay and wait 1 year for the final f2p version.
Boom case closed
the 20$ is more like a fee for the impatient people that wants for play right now and follow the developpment of the game
The amount of people with sand in their vagina on all the different forums is freaking insane |
You're so cool calling people criticizing this release method vaginas. So fucking cool man! You're a real man! not like those vaggies! Fuck em bro!!!111
8 out of 10 dentists prefer zipfero to competing brands(fraich3 and Mutantius)!
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 17:06 Post subject: |
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| deadpoetic wrote: | Dude just don't pay and wait 1 year for the final f2p version.
Boom case closed
the 20$ is more like a fee for the impatient people that wants for play right now and follow the developpment of the game
The amount of people with sand in their vagina on all the different forums is freaking insane |
Who says I will pay anything. I'm having a discussion with someone who replied to what I wrote.
It's all nice and dandy that you're having a ball in the game so it seems like you're the one with mud in your exit about people not ignoring the fact that the game has a model that resembles pay2win a lot.
The way I see it it's not just this, it's all getting worse and worse and companies have the audacity to do these kinds of things. I'm just waiting for sony to start charging you to 'rent' the game for an hour or so. |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 17:12 Post subject: |
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What's pay to win in this game?
The airdrops that everyone can steal from you?
It's more like pay-to-create-a-public-event-and-get-slaughtered-unless-you-have-a-lot-of-friends
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Jan 2015 17:16 Post subject: |
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Absolutely nothing is pay2win in this game.
We'll see how it goes when the game actually releases.
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