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LeoNatan
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Why not get a Deluxe instead? A little pricier, but you get more interfaces. If you want to add an m.2 drive or audio card, your GPUs (especially if you go with 3xSLI) will suffer.
Also, current GPUs do not use full PCIe 16x lanes, but you never know with next generations. This system will serve you for much time to come, so the 5930K is much more future proof, with additional lanes.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Jan 2015 17:46 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | ClaudeFTW wrote: | | Interinactive wrote: | People said there would be barely any difference when I went from 780s > 980s as well, yet there was enough of a difference for me to notice at this resolution
Also, I asked around on a local board and the consensus is that nobody really knows when Skylake will come, and some were even suggesting the desktop versions may arrive in 2016  |
Well, I meant non-E versions, it's obvious there's an improvement where E CPU's are concerned. |
Upgraded 2500K to 4790K - there was a definite improvement where I needed it. It's not a necessary upgrade yet, but if you have a high-end GPU it's worth considering since more and more games start to push on the limits of Sandy Bridge.
As for timing, if you are considering a CPU upgrade might as well go for it now, since it's very unlikely anything is going to dramatically change in that space at least for about a year. |
Well, I have a 4670k so there's no need to upgrade, maybe go for a z97 board somewhere in the future for more interfaces? Jumped from a 2500k to a 4670k and back then I didn't notice any difference. I will probably upgrade to a 4790k / Z97 in some months, since I can take these back and just pay a sensible price for the upgrade, other than that, I honestly see no area where I could use an upgrade, save for an SSD and 8 more GB's of RAM. The video card is a whole other piece of pie which will be handled shortly.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Jan 2015 07:36 Post subject: |
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Remember to get some Noctua fans for the H100i. The default ones are too noisy and provide less airflow.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Apr 2015 07:27 Post subject: |
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Stige
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Apr 2015 09:42 Post subject: |
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Why would you even think of replacing a 2600K? That thing is a beast and will overclock way better than any of the new crap out there.
There would be zero performance gains for you in this unless you upgraded to those 12 core ones or whatever they are.
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your biggest issue is SLI setup + shit console ports. Nice upgrade for your work, but i doubt games like Arma III and other turd coded PC games will run any better.
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There absolutely will be a large difference going from a 2600k to a 5930k and anyone saying otherwise is being disegenous. You could expect an easy 10-15fps boost on existing games, up to 30% on CPU-heavy work software, and even more for games that are coming that utilise the proc more than they do now. I'd certainly see quite a boost from a 25k to a 26k as more and more games start using multithreading from shit-ass PS4/XB ports  I cannot see a single site or benchmark that doesn't show a fairly impressive performance leap, especially on work software, and when you're going to Haswell/Haswell-E, you're also changing the entire platform too, newer and more efficient chipset, newer and faster RAM, etc. As you say, the only true factor is money - can you spend the money to justify the improvement? Yes? Then that's the answer. You certainly won't LOSE anything with the upgrade.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Apr 2015 14:16 Post subject: |
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If the money ain't the problem go with it indeed. The 'not worth it' is usually compelling argument if you are somewhat limited.
I'm still beating myself up for having a 25 non-k because it would do enough at the time and I could always upgrade... big difference then (and what makes it even more idiotic): had enough income to not worry ffs compared to now 
Now with the 970 I see how its holding me back quite a lot. So go for it! 
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| Interinactive wrote: | Ordered
Intel Core i7 5930K
ASUS X99 Deluxe Motherboard
Kingston HyperX Predator HX428C14PB2K4/16 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4
Corsair Hydro Series H80i CPU Cooler
The H100i wouldn't fit and I cannot be bothered getting a new case, so I had to go for the H80i
If this doesn't play GTAV/TW3 well, what the fuck will. |
I don't know if you have done some research on the H80i or have any experience of your own with it, but here's some stuff from my personal experience:
- The recommended configuration for the H80i is to set the fan as intake (so it would use the cooler air from outside the case for the loop). This will give you best CPU cooling, but unless you have a very well ventilated case this will have a noticeable impact on your overall system temperatures, especially if you will be running SLI.
After some tests I have set mine as exhaust, which causes the pump to run a bit hotter, but it was still pretty good cooling and I considered the trade-off worth it for overall temperatures inside the case.
Your results will depend on how much cool air you will be able to supply into your case though.
- The fans that come with it are very (very) noisy at higher speeds. I have setup a profile to keep the fans well below 50% on idle (25-30%) and capped it to something around 70% when under load. It works fine like that and is not really audible on idle, but if you want to get the most out of this cooling loop you will definitely want to get some other fans for it.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Apr 2015 17:02 Post subject: |
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inb4 "You lie Interinactive, there's no difference from a 2600K to a 5930K, NO DIFFERENCE! "
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Apr 2015 17:48 Post subject: |
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and i still have my core2quad 8400
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tonizito
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couleur
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | You could expect an easy 10-15fps boost on existing games, [...]. |
For 1400$ (cpu&mobo) and coming from a 2600k that could run 4.8Ghz that seems like totally worth it. And its not like those consoles will be using their 8 cores better than the 8 threads of a 2600K @ 4.5-4.8. I know money isnt an issue and upgrading has become difficult CPU-wise since Intel has had no real competition but still. Its not like a 2600k @ 4.8Ghz is going to be so slow that its going to bottelneck so low that those 15 FPS are going to make 1400$ worth the difference. Maybe there is going to be a tiny difference because of his SLi setup but that will be on the higher framerates anyway. I know the urge to update very well but if you dont need 12(6) threads for pro apps, 8(4) at 4.8Ghz are not going to be that much slower.
Lets be honest, its pure pleasure to know you have the power but investing 1400$ over a 2600K? Its just nice building and having it.
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H80i meh...
My Noctua NH-D15 is just as good but without any risk of ever getting a leak or pump noise/damage etc etc. Keeps my 5820K at 4.5Ghz really cool.
I just don't understand why people buy AIOs, if there was a big, significant, difference in performance, yeah, i would understand that, but now there isn't, and in many cases air coolers (like said Noctua) own the shit out of AIOs. (not trolling, i was upgrading recently too, and was comparing pros and cons of Air vs AIO, and the only pro AIO has, IMO, leaves more empty space around cpu area).
Other than questionable cooler choices, you got a kick ass rig, Interinactive, congrats.  Don't listen to bullshit posts about how 2500K/2600K to 5820k/5930k isn't an upgrade, because they are just jealous/full of shit. it's a MASSIVE upgrade. just don't forget to OC that CPU because default frequency is really low.
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tonizito
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Hmmm but won't the RAM have presets for slower clock speeds, though? Like, IIRC, it always had?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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couleur
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Overclocking the CPU vie Multiplier doesnt affect the RAM in the slightest.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Interinactive wrote: | I had a H80 since 2011, with the 2600K. It cooled it very well for all of those years, I saw no reason not to get a H80i for this. I would have bought the H100i but it wouldn't fit without removing fans. The noise might be a issue, but the 980s are already like helicopters taking off at my feet so I doubt it can get much worse.
The only thing I'm worried about at the moment is overclocking the new CPU with the new RAM. Between the MB, RAM and CPU itself there seem to be more than a few differences and new things to worry about than there was before. The RAM for example; do I need to utilise it at a speed lower than it actually is? The CPU states: "Memory supported: DDR4-1333/1600/2133", yet the RAM is 2800MHz. It's probably nothing, I'm just not across how it works yet as my RAM's never been particularly fast.
The lazy shits still haven't sent it even though it was paid for 2 days ago, so it will most likely arrive on Monday now. |
OCing on X99 is fairly easy. Problem with 2800Mhz RAM is you'll need to run BCLK at 125 which might cause problems, at least it does on my 5820K (doesn't POST with adaptive voltage, among other things). But I knew that in advance so I bought 2666Mhz RAM and run it at BCLK 100 problem free. Maybe these problems don't appear on a 5930K because I read it's slightly different.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Apr 2015 01:10 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | Ordered
Intel Core i7 5930K
ASUS X99 Deluxe Motherboard
Kingston HyperX Predator HX428C14PB2K4/16 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4
Corsair Hydro Series H80i CPU Cooler
The H100i wouldn't fit and I cannot be bothered getting a new case, so I had to go for the H80i
If this doesn't play GTAV/TW3 well, what the fuck will. |
Very nice CPU 
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What's wrong with those? My H80 is friggin' awesome-
