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Badrien
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 Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 04:34 Post subject: |
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Thanks Zmed, gonna put this on on the queue to buy after I get my hands on arma 3 in the sale(Gief 75% plx)
RTX ON
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 10:20 Post subject: |
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although its possible with M&K, the experience is so much improved with a stick
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 10:44 Post subject: |
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I'm using a 360 controller, works fine. Also playing about with Voice Attack yesterday, makes you feel like a bit of a cunt but properly immersive. Can't imagine how great this is with an Oculus.
Not sure if most of the complaints about the game are from people who never played the original Elite/Frontier. Yes there's lots of stuff still to be implemented which is a bit of a cunts trick but the overall feeling of the game I think they have pulled off amazingly.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 11:23 Post subject: |
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| KaiserSoze666 wrote: |
Not sure if most of the complaints about the game are from people who never played the original Elite/Frontier. Yes there's lots of stuff still to be implemented which is a bit of a cunts trick but the overall feeling of the game I think they have pulled off amazingly. |
People that realy like Elite are either fans of the original or have a special interest in space/astronomy I quess. It's a niche title, people that complain expected a different game.
Not played the orinal Elite or being a space geek I think the game is OK, but not great. Probably will enjoy it for a couple of hours, but I'm not seeing myself grinding towards an anaconda or elite status. To much grinding and trading/combat is just not good enough to keep me interested in the long run.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 11:31 Post subject: |
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| KaiserSoze666 wrote: | I'm using a 360 controller, works fine. Also playing about with Voice Attack yesterday, makes you feel like a bit of a cunt but properly immersive. Can't imagine how great this is with an Oculus.
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Its different, not necessarily better. The feel to be in the game is unbeatable, yet the pixelgrain/gfx is so bad, its hard to read text and it makes no difference to put the gfx settings on high or low. Everyones different, some may never play without again, some prefer sharp gfx on a normal display.
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jippyuk
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 12:12 Post subject: |
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Sabin, outta interest you bought the game but managed to get a refund right? or didnt buy at all? I forget sorry.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 12:26 Post subject: |
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Naw bud, I didn't buy it. I tried a friend's account for a while before launch but as soon as FDEV switched to online-only I dropped any possibility of buying. Still pissed about it whether I bought the game or not, since I was - at one point - highly interested.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 13:01 Post subject: |
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I only have one more thing to say to all those reading this, either a Hump regular, or just those lurking, and who are happy with Elite Dangerous the way it is:
Fuck. You.
You, yes you, personally, are the reason Gaming, as an industry, is failing. You, you are the person who has no problem with paying for half-assed games, nowhere near ready for release, but will defend the developing company to the death because YOU decided to buy into it, and now you have to justify your decision, regardless if other people have a negative criticism about the game YOU chose to pay for.
You, you are the person who ruins gaming forums. You believe it is your right to slam any criticism about your chosen game, by retaliating with sarcasm and indignation. You believe that your chosen game is absolutely fine the way it is, and if there is any room for improvement, these suggestions may only come from other people in that forum, who, you judge to be like you - a fellow asshole, who believes that your chosen game is also beyond reproach.
It is sickening to think, that you, yes YOU, represent a large proportion of the western world. (I can't say Eastern because they like MMORPG games that have you kill 5000 rats, and is apparently fun...) Your ability to latch on to something, and illogically defend it to the hilt, just because you can, is unfortunately spreading, like a digital cancer, and shows that self-gratification by demeaning others, just because they don't like YOUR chosen game, is a form of enjoyment.
Even some regulars here, on the beloved Hump, can't help but attempt to ridicule and act as if their very lives are on the line just because others don't agree with their opinion.
Of course, we can easily transfer this behaviour to all aspects of life. However, the amount of vitriolic hate and sarcasm I have personally experienced within 3 forums in just a few weeks, because I dared to criticise a game company, is indicative of the future of what is my chosen hobby.
And The Others, those who WANT to try and save gaming, are only trying to put forward suggestions, ways to improve the game YOU are defending. They're not attacking you personally. They are not telling YOU to ;get over it' because they know you are already happy with the way things are. They just want to change a broken mechanic, add a bit more content, improve things for the majority, rather than selfishly keep their perceived perfection to themselves, because they don't like changing things for the better.
You, You would prefer to keep that broken keybind, because it adds more challenge, rather than admit it needs to be fixed - because admitting such a thing weakens your percieved loyalty to the game and it's developers/publishers, and you can't have that.
In say, 10 years time from now, You, yes you looking smug, but also already thinking of some clever, scathing remarks to this very post, will be responsible for the ultimate death of gaming as we know it. There will be no actual 'gameplay', mere movement on a screen that you can move forward by pressing a button. Or, games that don't actually have finished graphics or controls will be released, as they will 'patch it in later'.
Game content will be a DLC. You can buy the framework for a game, but any actual content you must pay for. This will also pave the way to releasing sequels, without having to actually design anything, therefore allowing Assassin's Creed MCMX, followed by MCMXI a month later.
Congratulations. I hope that when this happens, you will feel proud of your accomplishments, and that you are smothered with smug righteousness because You singlehandedly destroyed a pasttime enjoyed by millions - and all just because you were right, and noone else can possibly prove you wrong.
I spit on you, and I hope your chosen gaming machine explodes.
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 13:30 Post subject: |
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I hope you feel better now, Kaltern. Because this wont change the fact that the industry sells what the masses buy and the masses buy whatever marketing throws at them.
Its not the few idiots who cant accept critcism in forums who destroy gaming, its the masses who dont speak their voice at all who do it. Luckily there are still a few gems coming out every year so not all is lost.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 13:32 Post subject: |
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Have you been on Star Citizen, Elite, and various other game forums recently? Especially the first two, the vocal minority are the ones that devs/publishers listen to because they are not throwing criticism out there.
The masses who don't speak probably don't bother because they are drowned out by the vocal minority.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 13:34 Post subject: |
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... and when the masses *do* try to speak up; they're set upon, they're slandered, attacked, insulted, belittled, silenced. Hivemind bullshit prevents detractors from voicing their opinions in safety or with respect, and then the staff read the "majority" posts from the "vocal minority" and assume the game is fine.
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 13:37 Post subject: |
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The same is happeing on the World of Risen/World of Gothic Forums, but I dont think the devs really "listen" to that vocal minority. The devs do what they want and the vocal minority adapts and praises which, in return, gives the devs some legitimacy.
But you do have a point. If everybody were criticising it could change something.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 13:41 Post subject: |
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Oh and;
| Kaltern wrote: | | And The Others, those who WANT to try and save gaming, are only trying to put forward suggestions, ways to improve the game YOU are defending. They're not attacking you personally. They are not telling YOU to ;get over it' because they know you are already happy with the way things are. They just want to change a broken mechanic, add a bit more content, improve things for the majority, rather than selfishly keep their perceived perfection to themselves, because they don't like changing things for the better. |
This has always been my standpoint. If people are happy with the game the way it is; fine! YaY! I'm glad for them. I'm certainly not going to tell people to "not" be happy with something they're playing ... and on that note, I *demand* the same courtesy. If I'm *not* happy with something, then I don't want other people telling me to suck it up, deal with it, get over it, or any other superlative bullshit they can think of. If *I* am not happy with something and *I* suggest ways to improve *my* experience, don't take that as me attacking *your* love, but rather expressing how I can have my own experience improved.
So many fanboys assume that we're attacking them personally by expressing dissatisfaction or discontent about a game *they* like.  I certainly don't feel attacked if someone says they enjoy something I don't, but I will feel attacked if they tell me to shut up or deal with not being happy, as if I'm somehow worth less than they are.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 15:23 Post subject: |
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Case in point.
quote from the ED Forum, regarding why there are no other players around, and calling it an MMO is obviously not quite accurate.
| Quote: | | Yesterday we go with my clan mates to conflict zones and fly around, and never see any player.... that ruin this game like mmo. |
| Quote: | | The game you want to play and I want to play are completetly different. I'm currently enjoying the game I play (in Open at the moment). No change needed. |
So there we have it. Don't diss MY game, I like it therefore no changes are required. Go away with your 'opinion'.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 15:35 Post subject: |
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the issue is more shitier, is like they try to get both worlds, and got the worst of them, beign unable to design a sane pvp/human interaction.
so, i can engange and modifiy the economy of the life server, right ?
how can a competitor hunt me down ? well, it can't, because i'm doing that in solo mode, with no repercussion's whats so ever (afaik).
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 16:30 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | I only have one more thing to say to all those reading this, either a Hump regular, or just those lurking, and who are happy with Elite Dangerous the way it is:
Fuck. You.
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | If people are happy with the game the way it is; fine! YaY! I'm glad for them |
not sure if it's safe to voice my like for this game at all, to be fair. Hence why I don't post opinions in this thread or i the hump in general much anymore
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 16:35 Post subject: |
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Huh? Why quote me there? I specifically state, and have always done so, that I don't care who enjoys what.. in fact, I'm genuinely happy if others are happy with their purchases, just as long their happiness doesn't turn into spite against me. Though I guess you've just hit the nail on the head why people like myself and Kaltern don't post on "official forums" - you don't feel happy about posting here because you're worried that your appreciation will be discarded by those that don't like the game, well the same is for us on the official forums. Only that is FACT. Demonstrable cast iron fact that negative opinions are jumped upon and the posters hounded off the board.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 16:43 Post subject: |
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I think he's just angry and I think he has a right to be. He's a customer like you and others, so if he dislikes something then he should be allowed to voice that just like anyone else should be allowed to voice their appreciation. I don't agree that people who like the game are what's wrong in the industry, but people that like the game and DEFEND it against people that don't? Telling them that they're wrong? Entitled? Whining? Yeah.. those people are ones I blame for the state of the industry.
I love Dragon Age Inquisition but you haven't seen me insulting people that don't, or attacking those that raise questions against it. Sadly the same courtesy is simply not given by fanscum of Game X. Kaltern is right, in this very thread people like him and myself have been insulted and derided and belittled because we don't like the state of the game.
| Tungsten wrote: | I'd just like a less hostile thread  |
To be fair, other than Kaltern finally having enough and snapping about the treatment HE has received from OTHERS, the only hostilities in the thread are against us detractors. It's not a super pleasant thread, I agree, there's a lot of negativity and not too much praise.. but I wouldn't say it was hostile towards people that enjoy the game.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 16:47 Post subject: |
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i don't like the state of the game when I can see what it could be. but I play it (and enjoy it, immensely) all the while thinking that even by now it could have been so much more.
It's love/hate at it's core
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jippyuk
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 17:39 Post subject: |
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Wow merry christmas boys :S lol
I agree with the points on here, it does suck that these companies listen to the whining shits who seem more obsessed about wanting a doggy that bobs around in the cockpit as opposed to adding more mechanics and sorting out the dodgy ones in game.
Dont think there is THAT much we can do about that bud. I expressed my opinions so many times in forums in regards to the open play p2p bullshit they did but nobody even really replied the topics, most were interested in talking about pointless shit which got responses from the devs.
Made me eyes roll at times.
Having said that, I am still having a blast ingame despite its glaring lack of content at present. SC is annoying, I dont mind it when im hunting haulers etc to rid them of their cargo but going from a to b using SC is a pain in the ass.
I reckon they'll sort that out somehow, even if it means just speeding up the process somehow.
Weakest part of the game for me.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Dec 2014 00:22 Post subject: |
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| Tungsten wrote: | | Kaltern wrote: | I only have one more thing to say to all those reading this, either a Hump regular, or just those lurking, and who are happy with Elite Dangerous the way it is:
Fuck. You.
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | If people are happy with the game the way it is; fine! YaY! I'm glad for them |
not sure if it's safe to voice my like for this game at all, to be fair. Hence why I don't post opinions in this thread or i the hump in general much anymore |
I have no problem with opinions. I have no problem with criticism. What I do have a problem with is sarcastic responses to a valid point made by someone criticising a game that person thinks is totally fine.
If you were to come on here, and say 'I quite like Elite, it's really good, has a lot of features and plenty of scope for future content', and then I came on and replied to you 'I have to say, we shouldn't have to WAIT for content.' - you could, of course come out with something like 'Well, it has more content than some games I could mention, and I don't mind waiting for more to be brought in'.
I could then respond to that, by saying something like 'We shouldn't have to wait for something if we already paid for it'. Then you could come back with a comment on how it happens everywhere. And so it would go on.
However, not once in that dialog did either of us start bitching at each other about 'Dealing with it', or other such scathing remarks, and it's THAT behaviour that causes the problems. And it's not even those who disagree; it's those who just muscle into a conversation, defending the game to the hilt, just because it's their 'moral right' do do so - THESE are the people who are causing the problems.
I apologise if I came across strongly - those who know me, know I'm not shy about expressing my opinions, but I generally do it in a fair and un-hostile manner. Unless you're being a cock, then occasionally I might indulge.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Dec 2014 01:00 Post subject: |
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@Kaltern: your points are valid as everyone's else. It just depends on the angle and expectations. Basically u thought that this game will have all features intact from the start - visual, sound, gui, meaty gameplay et cetera. But it is an mmo. And yes shallow one for the ones who wanted it to be as deep as others MMO around. But u have to keep in mind that not everyone imagined this game to be very deep. Actually lots of users just enjoy flying mindlesly from one system to another, doing some trading runs, some bounties and that's it. They even don't want this game to be something else. That is why they are blatantly defending their opinion. U can't say that this game sucks in visual or sound department. So we can say firmly that this game now has the most needed basics to build on further. And now it's only up to FD to decide how deep they want this game.
Many years ago i was Eve online beta tester and i didin't like it's depth either in beta or in gold version. But year after year they've managed to build something big and engaging.
So we can expect that Elite will evolve too in months to come. Or we can whine that we should get more depth ingame now, here, this second. It's up to u, if u want support FD and help them evolve or just leave it as it is.
As for me, i'm enjoying ED as it is and i'm willing to wait until we will see where this game is aiming.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Dec 2014 20:33 Post subject: |
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| babioraz wrote: |
So we can expect that Elite will evolve too in months to come. |
dont expect that to much because lack of steady funding.
no monthly pay, and not enough buyers/players on the long run.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Dec 2014 21:41 Post subject: |
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I see there's some form of "Combat Turorial" isodemo out. Sounds a bit fishy.
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zmed
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Dec 2014 21:57 Post subject: |
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If you want that, just get the launcher from their own site and download the combat scenarios, they are freely available for everyone.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Dec 2014 00:30 Post subject: |
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Surprised at xmas this game does not even have a sale ive noticed 
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