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Danyutz
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Started playing it and after 20mins I'm thinking if I should continue playing it.
1. I don't get it what's with the uber demands for performance, this game is poorly optimized. What's with the shine, it's everywhere, hair, floors, clothes, tables, etc - it looks cheap!
2. The gameplay is bad, very bad - playing with a gamepad, you just need to keep RT and fwd and the character can climb mountains. It feels fake, superficial and i don't like it. They altered the gameplay with ever AC released.
At first, when i read all the whining around the thread, I didn't want to believe it but:
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Nov 2014 22:45 Post subject: |
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yeah it's called optimization
somehow apple managed to do that as well with shit hardware, on their iphones and tablets
and 360 has equivalent to radeon x1950, 6600gt would be slower, besides we talking abou cpu's not gpu's
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Nov 2014 23:32 Post subject: |
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nobody says the game isn' badly optimized, but doesn't change the fact that your cpu can't deal with the current state of the game.
you can look up the cpu charts for the game. AMD cpu's are not doing great.
that's the reason its a bad choice for the game.
you offset badly optimized, cpu limited games by adding more cpu power, or you wait and hope for performance patches.
there's no other way around it.
| Mortibus wrote: | | ybesides we talking abou cpu's not gpu's |
same principle applies. you can't compare raw power of consoles and PC's.
both cpu's and gpu's on consoles have fewer layers to deal with.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Nov 2014 23:59 Post subject: |
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| Drowning_witch wrote: | | jmcc84 wrote: | | Phenom II X4 945 3.0ghz |
bad cpu choice for badly optimized ports unfortunately.
or in troll speak:
try office 2013, i hear that will run great on it  |
Bad GPU as well with that CPU choice. Dat AMD driver overhead will make the Phenom II suffer.
eg in CoD: AW
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-call-of-duty-advanced-warfare-pc-performance
| Quote: | Genuine problems with the PC version are few and far between, but one area we pointed out in the Face-Off deserves more exploration - our observation that the use of AMD graphics cards seems to create a much higher CPU load than utilisation of Nvidia equivalents. This week, AMD released a new beta driver optimised for Call of Duty. We saw a boost in frame-rates compared to our measurements taken last week, but the underlying problem remains - and you can see the phenomenon in action in the video below.
f you have a Core i3 - or an alternative offering much the same processing performance - paired with an enthusiast AMD card, the game often hits CPU limits during both cut-scenes and gameplay, resulting in a collapse in frame-rates. It's a state of affairs only amplified by playing with v-sync engaged. In the here and now, we'd rank the AMD R9 280 as the best 'bang for your buck' GPU on the market. It outperforms its Nvidia equivalent - the generally excellent GTX 760 - and it offers an extra 1GB of onboard VRAM on top. It's usually cheaper too. However, owing to the CPU load issue, its performance is considerably throttled when paired with the i3 in Advanced Warfare, to the point where demanding scenarios actually see it bested by Nvidia's sub-£100 GTX 750 Ti.
We saw the same results on both our Core i3 gaming PC, and also when we disabled two cores on our i7, downclocking it to simulate an i3's capabilities. In both cases, the Nvidia cards' performance barely saw any difference at all. Basically, if you're using an AMD card, you'll need a more powerful CPU too - the i5 2500K in the recommended spec, for example. |
edit Durante on the issue: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137726269&postcount=91
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 00:08 Post subject: |
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| Drowning_witch wrote: |
same principle applies. you can't compare raw power of consoles and PC's.
both cpu's and gpu's on consoles have fewer layers to deal with. |
why the hell not
ps4 cpu would be equivalent to amd x2@3ghz
gpu would be amd 7850
the only fact is current consoles were outdated before they were released and that's why unoptimized turd like acu can't even keep fps in 30's just like advertised, while cheapest cpu from intel i3 parred with gtx760 which can be considered as a current mid range card can do that, then again it will stutter due to fps spikes so it had to be locked at 30
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 01:19 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | Drowning_witch wrote: | | jmcc84 wrote: | | Phenom II X4 945 3.0ghz |
bad cpu choice for badly optimized ports unfortunately.
or in troll speak:
try office 2013, i hear that will run great on it |
Bad GPU as well with that CPU choice. Dat AMD driver overhead will make the Phenom II suffer.
eg in CoD: AW
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-call-of-duty-advanced-warfare-pc-performance
| Quote: | Genuine problems with the PC version are few and far between, but one area we pointed out in the Face-Off deserves more exploration - our observation that the use of AMD graphics cards seems to create a much higher CPU load than utilisation of Nvidia equivalents. This week, AMD released a new beta driver optimised for Call of Duty. We saw a boost in frame-rates compared to our measurements taken last week, but the underlying problem remains - and you can see the phenomenon in action in the video below.
f you have a Core i3 - or an alternative offering much the same processing performance - paired with an enthusiast AMD card, the game often hits CPU limits during both cut-scenes and gameplay, resulting in a collapse in frame-rates. It's a state of affairs only amplified by playing with v-sync engaged. In the here and now, we'd rank the AMD R9 280 as the best 'bang for your buck' GPU on the market. It outperforms its Nvidia equivalent - the generally excellent GTX 760 - and it offers an extra 1GB of onboard VRAM on top. It's usually cheaper too. However, owing to the CPU load issue, its performance is considerably throttled when paired with the i3 in Advanced Warfare, to the point where demanding scenarios actually see it bested by Nvidia's sub-£100 GTX 750 Ti.
We saw the same results on both our Core i3 gaming PC, and also when we disabled two cores on our i7, downclocking it to simulate an i3's capabilities. In both cases, the Nvidia cards' performance barely saw any difference at all. Basically, if you're using an AMD card, you'll need a more powerful CPU too - the i5 2500K in the recommended spec, for example. |
edit Durante on the issue: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137726269&postcount=91 |
Durante = the biggest Nvidia fangott the world has ever seen.
You should feel bad for quoting that faggot you fucking fanboy, and before you post some jpegs that show that magical cpu overhead from Gamegpu.ru know that i can post jpegs from the same site, the same test contradicting their retarded tests.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 01:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 01:26 Post subject: |
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It's amazing how much racket are some people willing to cause over the fact that AMD cards are simply worse.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 01:27 Post subject: |
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Yeah he may be cool but hes a shill, along with the 1000 other Nvidia shills that riddle the major PC gaming communities.(neogaf, anandtech etc.)
Its because propaganda like this that we have 600 bucks midrange gpus, and shitty unoptimized ports sponsored by the Nvidia .
Fucking cancer of a company is what it is.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 01:46 Post subject: |
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TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 01:53 Post subject: |
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What kind of drugs do you take?
Please share! I would love to try them!
Or just bad supply?
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 08:46 Post subject: |
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1 and 2 are still amazing. |
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HIz
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 09:02 Post subject: |
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| Shakabutt wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | | Drowning_witch wrote: |
bad cpu choice for badly optimized ports unfortunately.
or in troll speak:
try office 2013, i hear that will run great on it |
Bad GPU as well with that CPU choice. Dat AMD driver overhead will make the Phenom II suffer.
eg in CoD: AW
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-call-of-duty-advanced-warfare-pc-performance
| Quote: | Genuine problems with the PC version are few and far between, but one area we pointed out in the Face-Off deserves more exploration - our observation that the use of AMD graphics cards seems to create a much higher CPU load than utilisation of Nvidia equivalents. This week, AMD released a new beta driver optimised for Call of Duty. We saw a boost in frame-rates compared to our measurements taken last week, but the underlying problem remains - and you can see the phenomenon in action in the video below.
f you have a Core i3 - or an alternative offering much the same processing performance - paired with an enthusiast AMD card, the game often hits CPU limits during both cut-scenes and gameplay, resulting in a collapse in frame-rates. It's a state of affairs only amplified by playing with v-sync engaged. In the here and now, we'd rank the AMD R9 280 as the best 'bang for your buck' GPU on the market. It outperforms its Nvidia equivalent - the generally excellent GTX 760 - and it offers an extra 1GB of onboard VRAM on top. It's usually cheaper too. However, owing to the CPU load issue, its performance is considerably throttled when paired with the i3 in Advanced Warfare, to the point where demanding scenarios actually see it bested by Nvidia's sub-£100 GTX 750 Ti.
We saw the same results on both our Core i3 gaming PC, and also when we disabled two cores on our i7, downclocking it to simulate an i3's capabilities. In both cases, the Nvidia cards' performance barely saw any difference at all. Basically, if you're using an AMD card, you'll need a more powerful CPU too - the i5 2500K in the recommended spec, for example. |
edit Durante on the issue: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137726269&postcount=91 |
Durante = the biggest Nvidia fangott the world has ever seen.
You should feel bad for quoting that faggot you fucking fanboy, and before you post some jpegs that show that magical cpu overhead from Gamegpu.ru know that i can post jpegs from the same site, the same test contradicting their retarded tests. |
yo, chill brah... you'll get a stroke or some shit homie
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 09:17 Post subject: |
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Last edited by Interinactive on Tue, 5th Oct 2021 01:29; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 10:14 Post subject: |
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| The_Zeel wrote: | | amd cards are generally just shit compared to nvidia |
Hmm no.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 10:27 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | Drowning_witch wrote: |
same principle applies. you can't compare raw power of consoles and PC's.
both cpu's and gpu's on consoles have fewer layers to deal with. |
why the hell not
ps4 cpu would be equivalent to amd x2@3ghz
gpu would be amd 7850
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I strongly disagree, and if you do some googling on the topic of api layers in console vs pc, you might change your opinion on the topic.
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DaLexy
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 10:40 Post subject: |
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| FadeToBlack wrote: | | The_Zeel wrote: | | amd cards are generally just shit compared to nvidia |
Hmm yes. |
fixed it for you
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 11:57 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | He's right in a way. It could have been a more sublte way , but still. Whenever I see him post on NeoGAF he comes off as being pretty arrogant, and now, because everyone's put him on a pedestal, most blindly agree with everything he says. |
He always backs up what he is saying and so far at least I don't disagree with his views. That being said I don't stalk his posts to know if I agree with 100% of them
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 12:40 Post subject: |
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| The_Zeel wrote: | | amd cards are generally just shit compared to nvidia, lets not try too hard to disregard this simple fact. |
Interesting how ppl will justify bad coding. Blame AMD, blame Nvidia, blame Intel... blame all and let Ubicrap have fun and save money instead of proper Q&A.
harballaz wrote:
Hey dont be so hard the little console eunuchs, they need time to aim their lil vibratin thumbstick.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 12:49 Post subject: |
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why even care, I wonder, when even ubi staff people admit they dont care about pc's performance....
just play the game like this and dont expect major updates (from their side at least)
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harry_theone
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 13:19 Post subject: |
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| Rifleman wrote: | | The_Zeel wrote: | | amd cards are generally just shit compared to nvidia, lets not try too hard to disregard this simple fact. |
Interesting how ppl will justify bad coding. Blame AMD, blame Nvidia, blame Intel... blame all and let Ubicrap have fun and save money instead of proper Q&A. |
oh dont get me wrong, ubisoft deserves the full blame for everything, they have turned into such a despicable company...
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 13:59 Post subject: |
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Imo ubisoft have improved over the years, like most, ea have been shitloads better too.
So stop yo whining bitches  !!!
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 14:19 Post subject: |
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| Theescapist wrote: | | Imo ubisoft have improved over the years [...] |
How exactly?
harballaz wrote:
Hey dont be so hard the little console eunuchs, they need time to aim their lil vibratin thumbstick.
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Neon
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 14:31 Post subject: |
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Removing online-only DRM, improving the Steam -> uPlay integration, implementing the ability to download uPlay games whenever you want...
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2014 14:32 Post subject: |
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My comment was on driver overhead. Has nothing to do with who makes the actual game or how optimized or not it is. It's been recently observed, albeit inconclusively since we only have 2-3 examples that AMD GPUs need faster CPUs compared to nvidia's to get the most out of them.
AMD themselves made Mantle to combat overhead so it's not like such a thing doesn't exist in the PC world.
What needs to be done is more testing and if it proves real to call them out for it hoping they will fix it.
As for their cards being crap, hardly. They are great (well generally speaking - right now I wouldn't recommend them over a 970) but there are several software downsides which might or might not concern you. You still have to disable Catalyst AI to play Doom 3 with Sikkmod. 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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