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 Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 03:11 Post subject: |
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| HaschBiff wrote: | | knaseren wrote: | | KrutojPoc wrote: | First you pay monthly fee so the developers could make an expansion.
Then you buy the expansion when its ready
Then you pay monthly fee to play the expansion
I just love mmorpgs  |
wrong.. u pay monthly fee after blizard has spend 4-5 years of development with out any income
and u dont pay ANY fee's for playing an expansion |
I wonder where the hero classes i paid for are!? |
o yea.. what happend to that... is that in the expansion or is it just a part of the game blizz is trying to make everyone forget? 
its a good idea thou, it would actualy make the end game content of the game more interesting seeing how alot of people quit when they get to lvl 60..
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
[quoted from Pirates of the Burning Sea thread] |
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 04:06 Post subject: |
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GW isn't an MMORPG Ripoff. It's just a barebones MMORPG. If you think not playing every second of the day because youre paying for it, you may as well say you should be watching the same movie in a theatre 24/7 because you paid for it. If you get more than 2hrs of entertainment in a month, you're on par with a feature in theatres. NOW, as much of a newb game WoW is, it did a decent job making players better at their class as they progressed. The endgame content was bar none the best current MM content. It might even rival the endgame of the original EQ.
I do agree, WHERE THE FUCK ARE MEH HERO CLASSES. I WANTZ TO BE A HERO!
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 05:39 Post subject: |
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| Glottis wrote: | | HaschBiff wrote: | WoW is just a repeat game.
At lvl 1: Firts quest: "Go there kill that monster" after that quest is done you get another, "Go collect 10 appels" and after that; "Go kill Mr Blahablaha and collet letter"
At lvl 60: "Go to kill boss "Insert evil name here" and collect the golden blaaa" after that; "Go kill blaablaa"..
Thats WoW in a nutshell... |
That's because quests just help you get to lvl 60 faster, and i cant possible understand what you want more from WoW quests. There are number of differnt style fun and boring quests. But it doesnt matter, because real gameplay starts when you are lvl 60: pvp, raiding. Raiding is so intense, player skill based and hardcore like never before in any MMORPG, you cant imagine the feeling of slaying a big ass raid boss with 40 people raid after MANY MANY tries and adrenaline rush while you are near killing it. WoW rocks.
| SycoShaman wrote: | I think Guild Wars is an awesome game....even better that its free....granted, my character sucks still cuz Ive played the game maybe 15 times since i bought it, but great game none the less  |
If it was great you wouldnt stop playing it. GW is boring MMORPG wannabe ripoff. |
Because there were a few other games I had at the time i wanted to play. I uninstalled it and completely forgot about it till I cleaned up recently  like organized all my dvd's and cd's and stuff |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 03:25 Post subject: |
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| ShadowX wrote: | | Photish wrote: | God i hate wow...
u pay for what?!? torrent released patches(weee 3kb/s on a good day) ? LOL #1
U pay for what ? the extra service? So when they update the servers its in the night? no its(last time i looked) ON A FUCKING FRIDAY LOL #2
U pay for what? the many different quest there are in the game ? Travel(aprox 1 hour), kill, collect, travel back... LOL #3
U pay for what? extra content? i guess not.. 29.99USD(expansion) + monthly fee + the original game in the first place! LOL #4
I must say BLIZZARD are fucking genius... and know they are FUCKING rich, Blizzard ftw weee! |
1. Torrents suck indeed but when U do a little search U can download the patch somewhere else , plus U should save the patches so when u reinstall U dont have to download a 200mb patch.
2. Dont know when U last played but the friday maintenace went to wednesday and that was MONTHS ago.
3. No u pay for the servers , the extra content etc etc , patches etc etc .
4. I know U didnt had a 4th but before u comment do a little search before U start talking from that blackspot where the sun doesnt shine. |
I'v been a lurker on these forums for a long time not bothering to register and interact but what you said as your reason #3 just made me have to comment.
Sure you pay for the servers the extra content and even the patchs. But your a fool if you think even a decent % of the profits they rake in go into those. Espically with such a huge community.
On top of that lets just pretend that blizzard annouces next month they are all going on vaction to travel the world to find the perfect island getaway they wish to purchase. So that means no extra content and no patchs for a whole month straight. Do you believe that they would give every user a discount for this month? Since the servers in your logic would be the only thing being paid for. But of course blizzard wouldn't ever lower the costs that month espically since you pay in advance...
no normal service bills you and then gives you service(except for the first time usally but after that the bills comes after the usage). Could you imagine if the light companys did this? They just estimate how much energy you might just use. So even if your in a coma you could be charged for WoW. But anyways thats not the point...
The monthly charge for mmorpg's is actully a huge ripoff to the gamers. Because no other retail boxed game in history says you have to keep paying me even after the purchase. To claim its for the extra content or the patchs is also just silly. could you imagine if lets say Valve started charging for steam patchs and game patchs? Or if Sid Meier said " woops I messed up on making that unit and it crashs the game.... better make a patch and charge everyone 5 bucks for it" I can guarantee you that if this ever happened PC gaming would be dead really fast. So why let mmorpg's get away with it as a reason to pay them? If you truely believed what you said you are a consumer whore and are actully a bad thing to gaming because you show that devolpers can get greedy and screw over gamers and get away with it!
Here is the downright logic to WoW and every other mmorpg that is pay to play's logic.
Step 1: Make a game that is very slow to advance so that it takes forever to do everything
Step:2 Using the time tatic we also charge monthly this way for players to have to pay to keep playing to acomplish anything because no player is going to do everything in 1 month.
Step:3 Claim that the devolpers will constently change the world to what the players do and always new content.
Step:4 Lie about step 3 and keep that promise for a little while then hit them with as many expansion packs as fast as you can. (a expansion pack would never be logical if they ever did keep to the step:3 promise)
Step:5 Have the expansion pack have new uber things that puts those with out it to shame. So all the players that don't have it are worthless and look like fools so they end up purchasing it.
Step:6 Even if one of the expansions is the worst thing to habit this earth its still going to be required to play the next expansion in line (Almost every EQ expansion and DAOC trials of alantis are good examples of this) But even if they aren't crappy make them required anyways.
Step:7 The most important step of them all. Make the game addictive. Make the players love thier character to perhaps even become the character in the players head. That way no matter how bored of the game the people get they simply can't leave and lose all what they have done. So they continue to pay and perhaps not even play. (Why do you think people STILL play everquest 1 even if they don't own all the expansion)
Mmorpg's are your basic phychology make you love something and then threaton to take it away unless you give into thier demands. Exactly what even some evil dictators have done. What every drug lord to the drug dealer does to the poor addicts.
So stand proud that you my good sir play a game that the devolpers can FAIRLY be compared to evil dicatators and everyone in the illgel drug buissness. (and I didn't even get into how people kill themselves over these games and ruin familys and the like)
Logic my anti-mmorpg/drug
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 03:38 Post subject: |
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nice post.
but what about MMORPGs that doesn't require p2p? does that still make them a "evil dictator"?
like GW, granted that they would probably still use Step 5 but atleast they got rid of the p2p thing. and you have to remember GW implimented almost as much content as WoW in terms of ratio since launch, if not more. and the recent Halloween event was *just* *awsome*
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
[quoted from Pirates of the Burning Sea thread]
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 04:38 Post subject: |
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BT does suck...u may get a quick feed here and there, but on the whole, its a big POS
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 04:54 Post subject: |
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wow 1111 :O
i've been dling for like 2 years and the highest i've ever goten is like 200....
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
[quoted from Pirates of the Burning Sea thread]
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 21:05 Post subject: |
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| mrgeo wrote: | Well for starters, you dont HAVE to quest if you dont want to. Its just an alternative to grinding for exp. I personally would quest instead of grind. And second, Blizzard made WoW so the actually game starts when you reach lvl 60, thats why theres all this content being added such as the expansion. If you dont join a guild and work on end-game content, I dont blame you for hating or finding WoW boring.
My $0.02  |
what end game content?
because IMO, running dungeons constantly, ganking low lvls, PvP with these unbalanced classes, just doesn't cut it.
see, it takes you what, a few months to get to lvl 60 if you are casual gamer, by then you already paid atleast 50 bucks for the game, THEN to access the "awsome" end content, you have to pay extra for expansion? it doesn't make sense.
and why did you say "work on end-game content"? shouldn't you be enjoying it?
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 21:33 Post subject: |
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Sorry, what other endgame content is there than getting relatively unique items in endgame raids? Did you ever bother running Molten COre or Blackwyng Lair? DOUBTFUL. Try running MC in a 20man group and talk to me about end game content. Imbalanced classes? Which game, MMORPG or not doesnt have one class people seem to favour because they can use its abilities the easiest. If you ask me WoW has done the overall best job in any MMORPG i have played to bring balance to all the classes. People MOANED and BITCHED about druids sucking, and they were right, and blizzard acknowledged it. And they fixed it for the most part.
You pay 'extra' for an expansion for MORE endgame content that a seperate dev team (not the live update team) has been working on and for new items, and just more of everything. Does EVERYONE buy all the extra channels on digial cable? No.
Remember, this coming from someone who quit WoW, so I'm not a fanboy, probably just one of the biggest MMORPG'ers on this board.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 22:47 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | Sorry, what other endgame content is there than getting relatively unique items in endgame raids? Did you ever bother running Molten COre or Blackwyng Lair? DOUBTFUL. Try running MC in a 20man group and talk to me about end game content. Imbalanced classes? Which game, MMORPG or not doesnt have one class people seem to favour because they can use its abilities the easiest. If you ask me WoW has done the overall best job in any MMORPG i have played to bring balance to all the classes. People MOANED and BITCHED about druids sucking, and they were right, and blizzard acknowledged it. And they fixed it for the most part.
You pay 'extra' for an expansion for MORE endgame content that a seperate dev team (not the live update team) has been working on and for new items, and just more of everything. Does EVERYONE buy all the extra channels on digial cable? No.
Remember, this coming from someone who quit WoW, so I'm not a fanboy, probably just one of the biggest MMORPG'ers on this board. |
try running MC constantly for a month, then you will get bored.
granted that most MMORPG does not have balanced classes, but in order to have a fair ground for PvP, the classes can't be too overpowered or underpower. maybe classes in WoW currently is balanced, but how long did it take them? IMO those balancing should have been done in beta testing instead of when the game went live.
like NuclearShadow said before, those "extra" contents usualy handicap those who doesn't have it, therefor "forcing" them to get it. with ur example, the normal WoW without the expansion would be the minium cable pakage. more expansions are addons like sports channels, movie channels, discovery channels, etc. if you dont have those channles, it would usualy be boring to watch the small amount of channels in the basic package.
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2005 22:54 Post subject: |
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Yep, but those whom pay for only the basic cable package don't usually watch that much television. It's all about luxuries. If you want to pay for the extra channels because you're going to be spending all that time watching TV, then you will.
And I don't understand your arguement on class balancing. Whats in the past is in the past. This expansion is in the future.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2005 02:12 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | Yep, but those whom pay for only the basic cable package don't usually watch that much television. It's all about luxuries. If you want to pay for the extra channels because you're going to be spending all that time watching TV, then you will.
And I don't understand your arguement on class balancing. Whats in the past is in the past. This expansion is in the future. |
luxuries, exactly, in WoW when you have the expension you will have access to better stuff to others, which makes the expansion a must if you want to be the best. there is one difference thou, for tv channles they release a new programme/news everday to entertain the viewers. you can't do that in WoW so the adding of contents comes in. but seeing how you are paying every month those contents should be already counted as paid.
the past matters because players paid for it. they pay for 12months of fee just so they can FINALY play a balanced game? it doesn't seem right.
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2005 02:25 Post subject: |
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the players paid to play the game. No one was holding a knife to their throat to continue paying to play. TV Channels don't release new stuff every day? I watch SOOOO many reruns man. You telling me you don't pay for cable TV? You telling me you dont enjoy playing a game (assuming you actually enjoy WoW). I mean, the arguement your posing is more or less pointless.
World of Warcraft is clearly currently the best MMORPG available. It's proven by the critics praising it, and its proven by the massive player base that continue to play. If you don't like it, thats your opinion, but I just can't argue with success.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2005 03:10 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | | the players paid to play the game. No one was holding a knife to their throat to continue paying to play. |
see, thats the problem, they can't stop playing because they paid to get this far already. if they quit before w/e goal they are trying to get to it would mean they have wasted money on the game.
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2005 13:40 Post subject: :( |
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actually, the first thing they said to me in EBGames when I said I wanted WoW was "great. and the advantage of paying each month is of course that you do not need to pay for expansions." so this kind of sucks.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2005 15:19 Post subject: |
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sorry no advertising here without the blessing of the admins.
edited by ApeX
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