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 Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 18:01 Post subject: Soundbars? |
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Anyone experienced with these?
I am not big on surround systems due to cables and I cannot reroute the cables inside the walls. So I've been looking at soundbars... I see they have wireless subwoofer options, so it looks cool to me. Some supposedly support 5.1 and 7.1 from the bar itself, but sounds silly and I've read not to get such bar. I really want a 2.1 bar with good sound quality.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 18:07 Post subject: |
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they are much better than horrid built in HDTV speakers, but worse than proper 5.1 or 7.1 setups. not much else to say.
don't have soundbar myself but viewed a bunch of movies at parents and friends who have soundbars.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 19:13 Post subject: |
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Worse in what way?
I guess this is what I need, a good stereo speakers with good bass. 
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 19:54 Post subject: |
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well soundbars aren't exactly audiophile grade equipment and they aren't true 5.1 or 7.1, but most if not all of them do pretty good job at emulating surround sound.
just google soundbar vs speakers. there are plenty articles detailing which is better for what situation.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 19:57 Post subject: |
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There's some pretty decent soundbars, but they'll set you back quite a bit.
And you don't want wireless Leo, the hiss, crackle and pop is noticeable in every wireless one I've come across 
Why not just a good 2.1 set? Especially if you've got some kind of receiver already, that's much easier and much better quality.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 20:13 Post subject: |
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Wireless woofer, not the entire soundbar. The frequency and amount of data for the woofer should be sufficiently low to pass wirelessly without problems.
I am considering speakers too. With a 2.1, I need to make space around the TV, whether on the stand or on the floor.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 20:15 Post subject: |
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Also, as you know, I am easily swayed by good design, and soundbar is just pulling me.  Something really appealing about this bar.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 20:25 Post subject: |
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There's plenty of extremely well designed speakers too - depends a bit on what your interior looks like obviously but there's plenty to choose from 
Problem with a soundbar is generally the lack of range and depth. Because there's almost no room in a soundbar, you're simply not gonna get the same kind of sound; it's gonna be flattened and lows/highs will be dulled a bit (at least in my experience). And you don't need particularly big speakers to get better results really.
Also, hiss, crackle and pop has little to do with bandwidth; the hiss is just in the nature of wireless audio transmission, the only technology I've heard that doesn't have that is Kleer.
Let's start with one question first though: do you have a receiver? If you do, then seriously don't bother with a soundbar because that receiver will almost surely have better processing capabilities, so you just need to plug in the speakers.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 20:34 Post subject: |
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i was interested in soundbars to, but in the end after some auditions i got a pair of microlab solo 7c. soundbars i tested in the same prince range sounded like shit vs microlabs.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 20:42 Post subject: |
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I don't currently have one, no. I've always been one input source kind of user (or two if the PS3 is connected), so never saw the point, and didn't need amplification capabilities with the meh creative speakers I have. Just had them plugged to the TV directly. With new TVs, I see there is optical audio out, so they can process DTS/DD/HD audio formats and send to the sound system. This is another appealing aspect of the bars, they have optical in. With receivers, there is a problem with delay due to TV processing. So I have to mess with receiver to set delays, and sometimes some HDMI ports are slower than others (I kid you not), so each port would require different delay settings (I am sensitive about this).
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 20:45 Post subject: |
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@frogster The 7c look good, but they are meant to be on the floor, so I will need to have space there. Since I haven't yet bought the durniture for the TV, this will also be another consideration, thanks.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 20:57 Post subject: |
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With a receiver you make the receiver the central point of the setup. My receiver for example is where all the magic happens; the PC of it all as it were. The TV is just there to produce the image the receiver pushes through, all the input comes from the set-top box, my HTPC or PS4. From there it blurts the image out to the TV via HDMI and sends the audio straight to the speakers. The delay is taken care of by the receiver automatically (then again, it's HDMI 1.4a on both the receiver and TV so plenty of bandwidth for a silly little 1080p signal), I haven't had to delay anything.
Anyway, with soundbars I strongly suggest you do _not_ rely on any average review. Check the usual audiophile places for reviews. Or better yet, find a place where they'll demo some. I did see some LG Soundplate that intrigued me a while ago (quick Google tells me it must be the LAP340). There was a bit of an in-depth article on a Dutch site and the innards were interesting, quite a bit of thought went into the layout so see if there's any reviews of that? The theory behind it seemed like it would actually produce pretty good sound
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2014 07:48 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | @frogster The 7c look good, but they are meant to be on the floor, so I will need to have space there. Since I haven't yet bought the durniture for the TV, this will also be another consideration, thanks. |
you could consider 6c aswell, i liked how they sounded to, in case you dont have the space for 7c. i got 7c with my country house in mind, if there was for my apartment, i would probably just buyed 6c.
yeh, is great to have an optical/digital input, but i ignored that because i already have a yamaha station.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2014 08:08 Post subject: |
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just did a search, seems like there is a new version solo 9c, which have hdmi/optical. but i din't test it.
worth a look i presume.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2014 08:12 Post subject: |
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I like the idea of wireless soundbar for its portability and no cables. IMO its completly unneeded to have 5.1 big speakers setup in a flat
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2014 08:18 Post subject: |
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@frogster Do you have a separate bass with the 7c or just them?
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2014 08:25 Post subject: |
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just them, are more than enough.
http://www.ixbt.com/multimedia/microlab-solo7.shtml use a translate
| Quote: | | The main advantage is a full-range bass range. |
from my experience bass is a bit better vs 6c, in case you consider those to.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2014 16:53 Post subject: |
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Too often people don't need a subwoofer with proper stereo speakers configuration.
Soundbar is not some magic but it can be a nice middleman for someone who hasn't got magic ears for really good sound quality. Especially for saving room with no cables and physical space for speakers.
And as with speakers, you should really hear them in a real-life room if you can, before purchasing.
I've heard many stereo-configs making a better sound than entry level 5.1/7.1 and soundbars.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2014 17:13 Post subject: |
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http://www.teufel.de/heimkino/cinebar-11-2.1-set-p14621.html
I got these. Quality is great, of course I'm not an expert, but enough to please my ears. Might lack "heights quality" (for the experts) but the bass is more than powerful. If you just want some speakers for a good movie experience these are the perfect choice, depending on room size.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 19:42 Post subject: |
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Hm, I see the Microlab 7c are really not expensive... Might go with 9c actually, they have Toslink input, so I might still be able to remove the need of a receiver.
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | I like the idea of wireless soundbar for its portability and no cables. IMO its completly unneeded to have 5.1 big speakers setup in a flat |
I have a 5.1 Setup from Teufel (Motiv 3) with an Onkyo reciever and I would not miss it for the world.
It may be ok as long as you are not used to it. I really feel that the cinematic experience increases dramatically with a proper setup of 5.1. (while the proper setup is the most important thing).
I have never had a soundbar though, so I have no idea what they can or cannot do. My Experience with Teufel however has only been very positive.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 21:00 Post subject: |
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I ordered.
I read some very good reviews on the 7c, but not many on the 9c. I guess they are very new. But the 7c got some good reviews, so will tell you when I get them and new TV. 
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