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 Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 02:06 Post subject: Can it be? Upgrade for Pumpy?? |
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Finally it seems as if I'm about to upgrade my hardware! Should've received that bonus already a month ago, hopefully they won't fuck it up again.
I'm on an Athlon 2 X4 (4x3.000GHz, stock cooler), 6GB DDR 1333, Biostar AM3 mobo, Radeon 6950 1GB, 450W Power Supply, 750GB Spinpoint F3, 128GB OCZ Vertex 2
On first step of the upgrade I'll replace CPU&fan, Mainboard and RAM:
i5-4460 (4x3.2GHz, is there any reason to go for an 4440 instead?)
Arctic Freezer i11 (seems to be silent!)
B85 Mobo (still have to decide which)
G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1600 (2x4GB)
This should easily add 50% to my overall system performance.
In the second step, which will come latest february, I want to upgrade my 6950 to a 970(or TI if that is out by then) to add another 50% of extra performance 
(Yeah, it's a budget system, but I guess that should enable me to play some of the newer games without lowering the graphics to low  )
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 02:32 Post subject: |
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maybe save up a bit more for an I7? Devs now "recommend" 8 core processors for their games.
AC unity for ex or lords of the fallen or watchdogs.
I feel like an I7 will last you more, maybe even switch to an 8 core AMD cpu like the FX8350.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 02:36 Post subject: |
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Nope, no more AMD. The TDP of those things aren't funny anymore. AMD lost me and they'll have to bring out a faster CPU which does not require a nuclear powerplant to win me back.
And I7 seems to be an overkill. Honestly I can't see any real benefit especially in the gaming area with just 33% increased L3 :/
An actual 8 core Intel would cost waaaaaay too much!
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 03:42 Post subject: |
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8350 doesn't need that much power to run it lol.
None the less, buying into amd is a bad move, am3 has their "powerhouse" cpus and its a dead socket. New socket next year but who knows what that will be. I'd go with Intel too
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 08:55 Post subject: |
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Congrats Pumpy, seems like a good enough budget machine.
Ideal to pass on to the wife down the road when you're able to do a more serious upgrade too 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 11:55 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 12:53 Post subject: |
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ehm so no k cpu and no z board, so no overclocking. in that case please replace the i5-4460 with a xeon 1231v3 (about 40 euros more, but its an i7 without igpu) and use a h87 or h97 board. maybe check some forums which board (i recommend asrock, its not that shit anymore as it was a few years ago) has an old or modified bios which supports the 1231v3 to boost on all cores (i got an h87 pro4 and a 1230v3 since a year, never updated the bios cause the new versions blocked the boost on all cores, normally it only boosts the first one). and about the cpu cooler, just get an alpenfön sella. powerfull enough and silent!
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 13:07 Post subject: |
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Pffft, inorite? "server CPU not for gaming" - my old Opteron 146 and 165 have something to say about that \o/
Last edited by sabin1981 on Mon, 10th Nov 2014 13:43; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 13:19 Post subject: |
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Hmm it's 75€ more 7the 4460 just costs 157€, the 1231v3 costs 232€ :/
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 13:24 Post subject: |
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hum, prices gone up lately? was around 200euros and below a few weeks ago. maybe you can get a used 1230v3 cheap on ebay? only difference is the 1231v3 is 3,4ghz instead auf 3,3
dunno, but i would not buy a i5 cpu anymore if i dont overclock. the xeon can be usefull due to the hyper threading for future games
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 16:39 Post subject: |
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Just to check if I got it right: The Xeon 1231v3 (what about the 122xV2's?) runs at 3.4GHz and is an i7 without the Intel HD Graphics but you can't overclock it either, right?
Then the only real benefit would be 0.2GHz more per core and HT? I somehow doubt that this'll hape me with gaming :/ Especially not for 75€ more
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 16:58 Post subject: |
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the old 1220v2s are old ivy bridges for socket 1155 and not haswell socket 1150
and yes the only difference is the minimal higher speed and hyper threading and no integrated gpu. oc is possible, but only about ~100mhz via blck and not via the multiplicator. if you want "real" oc you have to get a i7 k cpu
but seeing u still have that old athlon which is five years old i assume you want to keep the cpu for a longer time? in that case i think hyper threading is worth it. ofc if the game doesnt support more than 4 cores there will be no difference, i think upcoming games will make more use of the 4 extra ht cores cause nextgen consoles are 8 cores too -> if you have the money to upgrade the cpu do it, you wont regret it in the future
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 18:43 Post subject: |
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 19:05 Post subject: |
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I dont think its a good idea, since it doesnt have Hyper-Threading, so you could just aswell go for a cheaper i5 like the Core i5 4460 since you would not notice the bonus cache on the Xeon.
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4460-4x-3-20GHz-So-1150-BOX_960035.html
Personally I'd suggest an E3-1231v3 :
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Xeon-E3-1231v3-4x-3-40GHz-So-1150-BOX_960054.html
Yes its 40€ more but you'll have the future proofness of HT.
EDIT: And dont buy "TRAY" since those dont come with a box and are likely to be refurbished (returned) procs.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 19:34 Post subject: |
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I always confuse PumpAction with LeoNatan
Not sure why. Maybe its the way the P looks like an L and the 2 capital letters in the name. I dont even know 
ASUS Maximus XII Formula | Core i9 10900k @ 5.2Ghz | 32GB G.Skill DDR4 4200Mhz | EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Hydro Copper | ASUS ROG PG35VQ
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 22:36 Post subject: |
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Even though we use different images, our avatars always have a similar taste and if Leo wouldn't have taken the friendly old PsychoGramps from Too Many Cooks, I would've done for sure Oh and yeah, the camel case writing..
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2014 23:43 Post subject: |
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Wow it seems as if the1231v3 is the perfect choice for me. No need to overclock, yet powerful enough and with a boost if required. Janz can you enlighten me regarding the mainboard to chose and the unlockable boosts? What is that all about?
Now I need to find that damn thing for <200€ and I'll be happy
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 00:26 Post subject: |
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first question u answered already  get the xeon 1231v3 if you dont overclock
according to the boards, ich mach das mal kurz auf deutsch hier. ist mir auf englisch grad zu umständlich. es ist so, dass die neuen intel cpus (und auch eben die xeons) automatisch einen turboboost haben der benutzt wird, wenn last anliegt und die temperaturen niedrig genug sind. auf non-z boards ist ein microcode im bios integriert der dafür sorgt, dass das nur auf den ersten kern zutrifft. ich hab das glück, dass ich einen 1230v3 habe und ein asrock h87 pro 4 mit altem bios. das macht es bei mir möglich, dass der boost auf alle kerne angewendet wird. dies ist von intel natürlich nicht gewollt. problem nu, nen alten xeon zu kaufen ist sinnlos für dich jetzt, bzw lohnt nicht mehr. der neue wird logischer weise von z.b. dem alten bios meines boards nicht erkannt. ich würd dir empfehlen einfach nen asrock h97 pro4 zu nehmen, sollte für ~70 euro zu bekommen sein. ist nen fairer preis fürn board und das sollte eigentlich alles haben was du brauchst. jetzt bin ich mir aber nicht sicher wie es mit dem bei asrock genannten "Multi Core Enhancement" aussieht. @stock wird das nicht funktionieren denke ich, die mussten das ja auch aus den neueren bios versionen entfernen. da gab es afaik aber gemoddete bios files, da müsstest du mal googeln. wie genau jetzt die auswirkung auf die performance ist wenn statt einem kern alle vier kerne auf 3,8ghz gehen kann ich dir ehrlich gesagt nicht sagen. hab ich nie getestet.
@all: sorry for the language switch, but it was easier for me to write in german
edit: http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/index.php?lid=dGlkPTM1NSZ0aGVtYV9pZD00NzEzJmFjdD1BbnplaWdl
guckst du da, der laden/typ modded bios versionen mit mce. bzw passt den microcode an
edit2: just read a few pages, i wouldnt bother about the turbo on all cores. seems to be like: if only one core boosts -> 3,8ghz. if two or three cores boost -> 3,7 ghz and if all four cores get a boost -> 3,6ghz. so the difference with a stock bios compared to modded bios would be maybe 0-5%. and 5% is the optimal case, in real scenarios maybe 1-2%. not worth the hassel
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 01:43 Post subject: |
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Thanks Janz Now I have to play the waiting game until christmas is over, so that the prices drop to acceptable levels 
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 01:56 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Thanks Janz Now I have to play the waiting game until christmas is over, so that the prices drop to acceptable levels |
Are you going to get used stuff?
At least here in the stores the prices are steady so far. Maaaaaan I really hope that the prices will not start to climb up on the next two weeks 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 02:05 Post subject: |
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prices wont drop after christmas because its after christmas. prices MAY drop cause the hardware gets older and new stuff is being announced released. and tbh: as you only searching for mobo,cpu,ram and cooler waiting may has the effect that you pay 20 bucks less (thats what the cpu got more expensive the last two months)... not worth the wait
xeon1231v3 = ~220
asrock h97 pro4 = ~70
8gb ddr3 1600er kit 9-9-9-24 = ~62
cooler, ie alpenfön sella = 16
overall price ~368 euros. only thing you can get cheaper is the i5 instead of the xeon (we already discussed that, but those ~60-70 euros more are worth it) and in combination with the i5 a cheaper b85 board (20 euros). even if you wait you will have to pay atleast 350 euros after christmas
edit: those massive price drops were most likely some special offers. would say stable price for the xeon was around 205-210 euros. maybe it drops to that price again in a week, maybe in two, maybe in six. who knows? wouldnt care about 10 bucks. and according to ram, yes it was cheap as fuck two years ago. but thats normal. ddr3 prices will drop massiv in 5-6 months when ddr4 boards are common (not only that haswell refresh bullshit atm which doesnt deliver better performance)
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 02:06 Post subject: |
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I'm already going to pay 220€ for that 4690K, and the prices have been steady for a few months.
Hope that that doesn't mean that the prices are going to start to climb up, shit here is already expensive as it is, dammit
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2014 04:12 Post subject: |
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gz on the upgrade pumpy wished i could get an extra 8gb off ram and a new audiocard+ an ssd but moving plans put all that on the backburner damnit
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