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Baleur
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| Seafort wrote: | | there was no starforce downgrade. the dvd is starforce 3.5.10.6 and the installed game is starforce 3.5.10.6. |
UK or US version?
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 12:59 Post subject: |
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| Spd wrote: | A say again for some ppl: in patch 1.2 starforce 3.5.10.6!
About starforce 3.7.11.0: sfcure not work on this version! And usb method don't work! Only when mount mini image into dt 3.47 and select speed for this driver 1x in nero cd/dvd speed. Its need for enables emulation in dt. In new sf 3.7.11.0 sectors read in other order.
Read about sf 3.6 and 3.7 here: http://www.cdsteam.net/modules/news/ |
As far as I know the USB-trick still works, but you still have to remove the cable of your internal IDE DVD or Cd-drives (you had to that from SF version 3.5). There are even MDS-files avaiable for the Russian game Metro which is protected by the new SF version 3.7 that allow you to make a working USB-clone.
In the article you mentioned they talk about a new VM of the SF version 3.7, for which they have to write a new tool but that shouldnt be a big problem. The only problem according the author of the article is that Sf-clones (the ones that that Mirror made) are for now not longer possible, because of the new way Starforce 3.7 checks the disc. This however is not a big loss as the sf-clones didnt work for the most people and were also playable with the use of sfcure.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 14:05 Post subject: |
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Starforce 3.7 install new driver sfsync. The driver gets access on standart windows usb driver by the same method as sfcure used to antiblock file system. This driver patched windows drivers usbport.sys and usbd.sys.
And you never run anymore from usb and don't tolk me some stupid things. I won't talk here about this.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 14:13 Post subject: |
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is that's true sfdevs needs seriously to chill.
they have to learn they can't do wathever they want with end-user systems. thank god people are boicotting games with those protections. i'm sorry for dijital jesters but it's not the first company using starforce with financial problems.
this may or maynot be retaled to sf, i don't care, i don't support such companies and a lot of people is acting like me.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 14:57 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 15:02 Post subject: |
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| Spd wrote: | Starforce 3.7 install new driver sfsync. The driver gets access on standart windows usb driver by the same method as sfcure used to antiblock file system. This driver patched windows drivers usbport.sys and usbd.sys.
And you never run anymore from usb and don't tolk me some stupid things. I won't talk here about this. |
People claimed the same things when Sf 3.4 was updated, then they launched the same rumors with SF 3.5. Then SF 3.6 appeared and with it the rumors that the USB-trick didnt work anymore, but this rumors were proven wrong.
But lets assume for one moment that SF 3.7 killed the USB-trick (which I dont believe as long as I havent tested it myself or it gets confirmed from a reliable source). That would also mean that even an original SF-game wouldnt get verified if I only have a cd or dvd-drive that runs through RAID, SATA, USB or Firewire. Then I ask myself which publishers would be so stupid to use a copyprotection that would not allow the enduser to verify an original disc through the more and more popular connections as USB, RAID or SATA. Why would they want to loose potential customers?
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 15:26 Post subject: |
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This thread is not about protection. If you want to talk about it go to Protection Bitch'n.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 16:06 Post subject: |
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| et326 wrote: | | snop1050 wrote: | heard it runs like shit the same as the second one did even on the highest end pcs u can have :S
probably a waste of a release if i was a release group i wouldnt bother |
Apparently though, the patch that they released today greatly improved the performance of the game. Most people on the egosoft forums said almost all of their issues were solved. Either way I'm crossing my fingers that someone out there is eventually kind enough to make an image and upload it to a tracker...especially since they said sfcure works after the patch. While we probably wont see a release for awhile still, I can hope. |
I cant wait for this game to be released, if its gonna take to long ill even buy it.
X2 runs just fine, snop1050.. save up and buy a real video card.. we dont live in the days of Quake 1 or Duke Nukem anymore and you can expect the same with Quake 4 with the Doom 3 engine. I'm sure you have little so say about Q4 too.
For me X2 has always ran just fine, i got a 64mb Geforce 4 Ti 4200.. playing it in 1024x768 with antialiasing.
Further more i read some people mentioning freelancer.. wtf.. you guys are just stuck with the idea in your head the freelancer '0wns' or sumthing. X2 & X3 are in their own league and freelancer is the biggest rubbish i've ever had to play.. its no wonder it comes for free with a joystick etc.
X2 takes time to play and get get big.. which is right.. freelancer is just another arcade.. thats the difference between Sim & arcade.
Anyways.. i'm really hoping to see X3 up in the scene.
greetz to da nforce crew
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 19:08 Post subject: |
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I just want to know if this game is worth buying? Privateer/Elite type games are my fav and everyone is just bitching about protection and nobody about the game.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 19:11 Post subject: |
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| DeviLee wrote: | | I just want to know if this game is worth buying? Privateer/Elite type games are my fav and everyone is just bitching about protection and nobody about the game. |
Game is great, buy it. I did. |
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nightlith
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 19:32 Post subject: |
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| Drahim wrote: | I cant wait for this game to be released, if its gonna take to long ill even buy it.
X2 runs just fine, snop1050.. save up and buy a real video card.. we dont live in the days of Quake 1 or Duke Nukem anymore and you can expect the same with Quake 4 with the Doom 3 engine. I'm sure you have little so say about Q4 too. |
god dammit. WTF is wron with you people. Not only do you support future use of such a blatant abuse of comsumer rights and privacy, but you PROVE that developers can get away with using this copy protection.
Where I live, it's legally entitled to me to make one personal backup of any digital media I own. With other copy protection schemes, I don't bitch about not being able to do so because there are normally way around the CP. Starforce 3 has been so far, rather uncrackable (I'm not willing to completely gut my system to run a game). It violates my fair use rights, and damnit if I had the money I'd launch a full scale legal assault.
Secondly, you people need to grow some fucking balls and just stop buying games that use SF3. It's not like the market is completely dry and you can't go buy something else. Just stop buying SF3 games! If developers see that SF3 games don't sell any better than SR7 or SD4 games, they won't waste money to liscense SF3. It's all about ROI and the bottom line. Just stop fucking buying shit like you know what you're doing.
X3 might very well be the best game ever made, but get a backbone and some willpower and just say fucking NO. Go play Q4 or SS2 or anything fucking else.
Rant over. I'll keep to to the bitchin forum from now on.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 23:04 Post subject: |
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Find me an alternative to X3 that isn't old like Freelancer and I'll maybe even consider not buying it.
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Baleur
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2005 23:09 Post subject: |
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LMAO @ THE LATEST POST BY NIGHTLITH!!!!!!!!!!
Are you serious? Who the FUCK cares?! I hate starforce, because its so hard to crack. Starforce has never caused my system to fuck up so i have to format or buy new HD's/DVD drives etc.
If i want X3, i will fucking buy and play X3 and have loads of fun for several months. Why the hell should i deny myself the one game i've been waiting for that i know will keep me occupied for a loooong time? Because i think that me not buying it will make a difference?
Grow up, if i dont buy it the very same box in the store will be bought by someone else.
The only way to actually "boycot" a product is if the entire country and goverment is in on it, 10 people wont make a difference, and no it ISNT worth "trying", becaue those 10 boxes will be bought by someone else within max 3 months.
I'll play what the fuck i want, and i bet i got more balls than you. You think i care about some god damn copy protection? If i want a game i'll buy the game, period. To deny yourself something you want just to give yourself the illusion that you are changing the world, when the next dude in line picks up the box intended for you anwyay, is just complete idiocy.
Buy whatever you want, SUPPORT EGOSOFT FOR MAKING SUCH A GREAT GAME. You dont support starforce when you buy starforce protected games, every single starforce game forum has hundreds of complaints about the games protection. The developers know.
Who the fuck are you to tell people to grow a backbone and willpower to NOT support the developers??? You are one of the people who ensure that torrents never reach a higher status, you just want to get and get and get, but never give something in return.
Egosoft deserves your money for this great game so they can make patches, and then another sequel that raises the bar for all other space sims, or we would just see a bunch of crap games.
When you buy this game you support EGOSOFT, you dont support starforce.
Egosoft knows that people who buy the game buy it because they want the game, they dont fuckin buy it because they want the latest starforce .exe.
So it wont give any minimal signal to the developers that you like the copy protection at all, why would it?
If i buy a ferarri, ferarri knows that i buy it because i want a ferarri, not because i want the color red.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 00:00 Post subject: |
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Well, the dev don't control what CP is used, so you don't bash them. Thats the publishers job. But how is the GAME it self. So far from what I have read, it seems to be a simple remake of X2, with a better control scheme and graphics. Truth be told, those were 2 of the reasons I never got in X2 much, but what else is there to i (X3)?
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 00:02 Post subject: |
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not egosofts fault it's starforce, it's their publisher who has a deal with starforce to use starforce, they made a great game and thats that, they should be rewarded accordingly.
Civ IV has silly securom 4 protection should that mean i wouldn't buy it because i'ts easier for me to just download it? i mean i haven't even got the game i paid for yet, but i have a downloaded version, that doesn't mean i cancel my order, i still want to support them for a game i like and use.
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Baleur
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 00:34 Post subject: |
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Well you can read up on the forums on www.egosoft.com
Seems to be alot more open-ended, muuch bigger scale, both of stations, ships and the sectors. Better balanced weapons and over 70 ships, all pilotable!
Dynamic economy, hundreds of npc's all over all the time that is trading, fighting pirates, being pirates, acting police, mining, building new stations in the universe, npc players/corporations building silicon mine empires from scratch while you are doing your thing, how cool is that? 
Not to mention dynamic attacks on the bases and stations. Gawd makes me wet
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nightlith
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 00:38 Post subject: |
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Err Baluer, you seem to think I'm argueing against SF3 simply to get an easier CP to crack which isn't my intent. I don't want X3 for free. I was so damn excited to finally play an awesome space empire game, only to be shot in the foot by godawful CP. I don't like/trust SF3 and I don't want it on my system period. TOCA2 installed it and I bought that before realising how damaging SF3 can be. I mean, why HIDE yourself in my device driver list. If you're sitting in my backyard, hiding behind a tree, am I going to think "oh he's just there because he needs to be" or "who the fuck is stalking around my backyard, he must be a thief!" I don't know how many people you trust in the world, but I doubt you'd let someone hiding in your backyard into your house without questions.
Regardless, how is it that if I choose to do something like refuse to by SF3 games and actually sticking to my beliefs cowardly? I don't really give a shit if my rant changes anyone's opinion of SF3 or anything. I'm merely saying that I'm willing to hold my ground, and hope that there are other people out there who agree with me. Obviously you don't. You're just another consumer whore gobling up the next "instant gratification" fix blindly following whoever chooses to put a carrot in front of you. I could care less. You aren't the type of person my rant was for. Trying to convert people over the internet is an exercise in futility.
Now, I take great offense to all your "Baluer Thoughts" posts, but I ignore them because everyone is entitled to their own soapbox. After your post though, perhaps I should waste my time coming into your thread badmouthing you and calling you pansy names in the interest of creating a wonderful hostile environment?
Well whatever. I was just ranting about SF3. If you got a problem, keep it to yourself 
| Quote: | | You dont support starforce when you buy starforce protected games, every single starforce game forum has hundreds of complaints about the games protection. The developers know. |
And I pose this question: If you buy a SF3 game knowing you're going to have trouble because of the CP and take the time to rant on the forum, what do you expect will happen? What if the developer chooses to ignore your pleas? Will you suddenly stop playing the game? Then, as more games with SF3 are purchased, what message are you sending devlopers/publishers? Judging from your post, I can't say for sure you know enough about business to honestly answer that last question, but I'll ask it anyway.
Your turn Baleur.
i can has computar?!
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 00:47 Post subject: |
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| nightlith wrote: | Err Baluer, you seem to think I'm argueing against SF3 simply to get an easier CP to crack which isn't my intent. I don't want X3 for free. I was so damn excited to finally play an awesome space empire game, only to be shot in the foot by godawful CP. I don't like/trust SF3 and I don't want it on my system period. TOCA2 installed it and I bought that before realising how damaging SF3 can be. I mean, why HIDE yourself in my device driver list. If you're sitting in my backyard, hiding behind a tree, am I going to think "oh he's just there because he needs to be" or "who the fuck is stalking around my backyard, he must be a thief!" I don't know how many people you trust in the world, but I doubt you'd let someone hiding in your backyard into your house without questions.
Regardless, how is it that if I choose to do something like refuse to by SF3 games and actually sticking to my beliefs cowardly? I don't really give a shit if my rant changes anyone's opinion of SF3 or anything. I'm merely saying that I'm willing to hold my ground, and hope that there are other people out there who agree with me. Obviously you don't. You're just another consumer whore gobling up the next "instant gratification" fix blindly following whoever chooses to put a carrot in front of you. I could care less. You aren't the type of person my rant was for. Trying to convert people over the internet is an exercise in futility.
Now, I take great offense to all your "Baluer Thoughts" posts, but I ignore them because everyone is entitled to their own soapbox. After your post though, perhaps I should waste my time coming into your thread badmouthing you and calling you pansy names in the interest of creating a wonderful hostile environment?
Well whatever. I was just ranting about SF3. If you got a problem, keep it to yourself
| Quote: | | You dont support starforce when you buy starforce protected games, every single starforce game forum has hundreds of complaints about the games protection. The developers know. |
And I pose this question: If you buy a SF3 game knowing you're going to have trouble because of the CP and take the time to rant on the forum, what do you expect will happen? What if the developer chooses to ignore your pleas? Will you suddenly stop playing the game? Then, as more games with SF3 are purchased, what message are you sending devlopers/publishers? Judging from your post, I can't say for sure you know enough about business to honestly answer that last question, but I'll ask it anyway.
Your turn Baleur. |
/signed
Absolutly my opinion! SF3 is just another step towards drm...
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 02:08 Post subject: |
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The real question is, how bad is the combat?
Always the worst part of the X series...and the games themselves have always been unpolished and unprofessionally presented, especially the cutscenes, storyline, interface design, etc. The actual gameplay is pretty neat but the rest feels very tacky, so I never got my hopes up for them after playing #1 and certainly wont after #2.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 02:23 Post subject: |
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| DeviLee wrote: | | Find me an alternative to X3 that isn't old like Freelancer and I'll maybe even consider not buying it. |
if the game isn't out in 3-4 days I would be very surprised.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 02:15 Post subject: |
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| DeviLee wrote: | | Find me an alternative to X3 that isn't old like Freelancer and I'll maybe even consider not buying it. |
Personally it offends me when people use Freelancer as a standard to compare spacesims to.
Freelancer sucked ass. So much was promised and nothing was delivered. If you want to play a real good open ended space sim with a good story. You have to go as far back as Privateer. So sad and so true.
Best space sim ever if you ask me. I did enjoy the Elite games before that but they had crappy or no story line. Privateer fixed that and it is still a game I play. Completed it quite a number of times by now.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 02:44 Post subject: |
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| OndePik wrote: | | DeviLee wrote: | | Find me an alternative to X3 that isn't old like Freelancer and I'll maybe even consider not buying it. |
Personally it offends me when people use Freelancer as a standard to compare spacesims to.
Freelancer sucked ass. So much was promised and nothing was delivered. If you want to play a real good open ended space sim with a good story. You have to go as far back as Privateer. So sad and so true.
Best space sim ever if you ask me. I did enjoy the Elite games before that but they had crappy or no story line. Privateer fixed that and it is still a game I play. Completed it quite a number of times by now. |
Storyline? All I have to say is EV:Nova.
I would say Iwar2 as well but then again theres not much to do besides the official missions so it cant be called an open-ended space sim.
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Baleur
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 09:11 Post subject: |
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| nightlith wrote: | | You're just another consumer whore gobling up the next "instant gratification" fix blindly following whoever chooses to put a carrot in front of you. I could care less. |
You fail to realise that i have never had any problems with starforce, so if i am waiting for a specific game, and i know it will be worth the money/support, then i'll buy it regardless if i dont like the protection or not.
Because i am not supporting starforce by buying it, i am supporting the developers.
i want them to continue making great games, hence i support them by using their games that i like. How hard is that to understand? It has nothing to do with following the flock behind the carrot, and definetly nothing to do with "instant gratification".
The publishers handle the protection, the developers handle the game.
You seem to want that no starforce protected games should ever be bought, what happens to the developers then? They go bankrupt. And everything will end with 500 pong clones because that uses No-Harm Protection System.
Have fun life is too short to fuck around, if you waited for this game and want an epic space empire builder, buy it.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 11:24 Post subject: |
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| Baleur wrote: | You fail to realise that i have never had any problems with starforce, so if i am waiting for a specific game, and i know it will be worth the money/support, then i'll buy it regardless if i dont like the protection or not.
Because i am not supporting starforce by buying it, i am supporting the developers.
i want them to continue making great games, hence i support them by using their games that i like. |
you make a very rational point and im sure its one that many others agree with.
however it is flawed. to put it simply, you ARE supporting starforce by buying starforce protected products. you have to understand that, when you spend your hard-earned cash on a game to support the developers, not all of your cash goes to them. a chunk of it goes to the publishers (otherwise they have no incentive to even bother publishing, obviously).
out of this cash that the publishers receive, some goes to the makers of starforce. thereby supporting them in their development of further invasive protection methods.
if you spend money on something and the money, even by a roundabout way, goes to something, then you are supporting it. but like everything, you must decide for yourself whether it is worth it, no-one (especially no-one like me who you dont even know) can tell you whether buying a starforce protected game is wrong. i can tell you you are supporting starforce by buying one though.
| Baleur wrote: | | You seem to want that no starforce protected games should ever be bought, what happens to the developers then? They go bankrupt. |
if no-one bought starforce protected games, the publishers would realise pretty soonish that it was a bad idea using the protection. there would probably be some financial hardship, and i dont doubt that unfortunately some smaller companies may have real difficulties, but that would not be our fault. it would be the publishers' fault.
read an interesting post by a starforce technolgies representative on the ufo-aftermatch forum (forum.ufo-aftermath.com/index.php?showtopic=865&st=45# - got the link from a different site) and he says, amongst other things, that "As for hard drive crashes after SF has been installed - it you own the game with version 3.04.075 or earlier - you could have problems with systems, based on RAID devices and PCI ATA controllers, even loosing all data."
does that not worry you even slightly? the first time you could experience a problem with a starforce game could be when it wipes ALL your data?
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2005 11:50 Post subject: |
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The point your missing is the thousands of other people that have no idea what starforce is and blindly wander into a games shop and purchase the game unaware of this entire discussion.
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