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Waargh
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Waargh
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2014 07:28 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | Nein nein nein. That's something else I can't seem to get now either.
Here is a video I just took with the iPhone while the iPhone itself is plugged in.
http://www.coflash.com/stuff/IMG_0382.MOV
Yes, iTunes is installed. Yes, I took a vertical video. |
So your Iphone doesn't show up in My Computer? Try diff USB port and diff cable.
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Waargh
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Waargh
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 13:25 Post subject: |
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Ok, hijacking this thread as my question is not really related to the Iphone 6.
I just got myself an Iphone 5S (as the 6 seems to large for me). I had an Iphone before, but I am having trouble setting up push mails.
I want to have 3 different accounts, one is an Gmail account and 2 others are from my own (rented webhosting) server. The Gmail account is the most important of those three.
I just can't get push mail to work. I tried setting up the Gmail account with the "google" tab in settings, but then I can only choose either a fixed time where mails will be refreshed or manual loading.
Then I tried it with the "other" tab and entered the server details. Again, push not working.
I remember the second option working back on my Iphone 4, but apparently something has changed.
Any ideas on what I am doing wrong, or how I could set up push mails correctly with the integrated mails app?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 13:36 Post subject: |
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You used to have it set up as an Exchange account, Google stopped offering that as a way to connect to Gmail about 18 months ago.
Besides that: no, not possible.
Push email unfortunately is a pretty fucked up thing right now. Apple doesn't use P-IMAP, they use XMPP. Yahoo use some custom shit, Google use their own messaging platform, Hotmail uses Exchange last I checked.
For the Gmail account, you'll need the Gmail app. For the other two, I don't think those'll work, because I don't think Mail.app supports P-IMAP (assuming your host does support them).
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 13:43 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the quick reply! Man thats fucked up. Yeah my host supports P-IMAP, but apparently that is of no help...
Are there any third party apps that support this? Apart from the GMail app for that account obviously.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 13:46 Post subject: |
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Gotta thank Google for their bullshit. This is what pushed me to stop using Gmail. Their retarded power plays. Had they made a worthwhile app, perhaps, but their web view app is as garbage as it comes. Outlook.com is great, and actually uses the only protocol that was created for mobile devices (ActiveSync).
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| bringiton wrote: | | Are there any third party apps that support this? Apart from the GMail app for that account obviously. |
Do you feel comfortable saving your credentials on a third party server? Because this is the only way this can work. |
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 13:54 Post subject: |
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It depends. The reason for having my own webserver with mails was to keep this separated from Gmail and only having them hosted in Germany. I can't go into more detail, but because of legal reasons I am obliged to have that data stay only in Germany. So giving my login details to an US-firm would not be possible I fear.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 13:55 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Gotta thank Google for their bullshit. This is what pushed me to stop using Gmail. Their retarded power plays. Had they made a worthwhile app, perhaps, but their web view app is as garbage as it comes. Outlook.com is great, and actually uses the only protocol that was created for mobile devices (ActiveSync). |
Well that last part isn't true, P-IMAP exists, but almost no one supports it (on both sides, client and server). Everyone does their proprietary shit. You can point at Google all you want, but all of them do it.
@ bringiton: no idea on iOS mate. Mailbox maybe? |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 14:00 Post subject: |
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Doesn't matter if it exists or not, the IMAP protocol itself is not designed for mobile. It's a sluggish and wasteful protocol. The only mobile protocol, that is not entirely proprietary, and supported widely, is Exchange ActiveSync. Say what you will about Microsoft, but their protocol is good.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 14:22 Post subject: |
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I never said anything about ActiveSync being bad. I just think it's bullshit to point a finger at Google for dropping support for it; they will have had to pay some license costs on that. That's why everyone else who at least used to support it has dropped it and most others never supported it at all. Apple's DAV protocols are hardly efficient either (for much the same reasons as IMAP), yet both Google and Apple use them over EAS as well.
Don't get me wrong, I wish Google used EAS purely for the interconnectivity it provides between...well, everything. But almost no one does anymore. Only MS and companies that use Windows servers do (which is still a lot in enterprise, granted).
@ bringiton: I'll actually have a look a bit later, I might have an idea. Might be able to run a small EAS proxy; proxy would use P-IMAP with your Gmail, you'd connect to the proxy via EAS. Would require a bit of set up, but might be worth it if it's that important to you (a 5 EUR VPS would be more than plenty to run that).
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 14:34 Post subject: |
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Right. Only Google still supports gsync (that's how they called their own implementation of EAS) for the paying customers (Google Apps). So they still pay for the license. EAS patent license is not based on number of customers. It's a dick move which they couldn't pull in enterprise, but sure can for the flock of idiot users because they got them by the balls. That's how I felt. Well, it was hard, but I made the move.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 14:56 Post subject: |
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| bringiton wrote: | Thanks for the quick reply! Man thats fucked up. Yeah my host supports P-IMAP, but apparently that is of no help...
Are there any third party apps that support this? Apart from the GMail app for that account obviously. |
What I did was redirect all my gmail mails to my new iCloud email. I basically never use gmail anymore ever since they disabled Push support for new devices that don't want to use gmail.app (which is just a webapp in the end...)
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 15:09 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the Gmail app is a real PITA, as I need my mails offline and I don't really trust the Gmail app with that.
I guess I will use the app for push notifications and then have the mails in the client download separate from that.
@Werelds: I have a VPS running anyway (not much on it currently). So that will surely not be a problem. I would definitely be willing to route everything through my server, but I am not very savvy with setting this stuff up, so it would need to be kind of simple to install.
(In my opinion, a badly set-up custom server is a bigger risk than getting "hacked" on mass-hosting email providers).
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and io8 is now out, should we start ze new thread?
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And also your iphone not showing up in My Computer is still abnormal. Try to get a cable for a day from someone or plug your device into their PC with their cable just long enough to see if it shows up in My Computer. On the internets people say they had Itunes working with iphone not showing up in windows until they changed cables.
