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Used to be that screens were not high quality enough. So anything but auto was out of the question because you could not see clearly what you were doing. This has changed over the years.
Some cameras use different autofocus algorithms when using the optical viewfinder and when using the screen.
For me, it's always been about the added stability. When the camera is on a tripod or somewhere stationary, the screen is actually more convenient.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 15:57 Post subject: |
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Sony a6000 and Sony NEX-6 both look good too as I am researching mirrorless market now.
With nikon it's d3300 or 5200/5300. All depending on what body+lens I can find for what price.
So It's more less settled now. Still doing research on canon and sony side tho... and mirrorless
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 15:58 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | Thanks.
so you say that lens can be damaged with normal sunlight on sunny day ?
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No, the lens does not take damage from the sun, the filter is meant to block UV-radiation (which results in bluer skies for example) but also protects the front lens-element from scratching if you drop the camera lens first, or scratch it in any other mean.
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And how does those set lenses work ? If it's locked to 35 or 55 mm, how do I control zoom ?
And I don't think I understand the f value yet 
So single droplets of snow etc shouldn't be dangerous, ok. How about cold in winter ?
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Prime lenses have a locked focal length, which means you can't zoom with them. The advantage to that is less glass in the lens which generally means that you get sharper images. As for weather, cold is generally not a problem for the camera mechanically, batteries on the other hand die quickly in cold temperatures. A good rule of thumb is that if you think it's cold outside, put the battery in an inside pocket (where it's warm) until you shoot for longer battery life.
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Oo out of everything: I will say pricing in polish currency, so You can see differences and say if it's worth it. 1$ is 3zl, 1e is 4zl.
D3300 18-105 -> 2300zl. It's cheapest of the bunch. body only is about 1800pln(but hard to find) and 18-55 standard kit is about 2000pln. The 18-105 d3300 is very popular now thanks to its price. Available in most big photo stores and media markts. But after spending 2300pln, I wouldnt have much room for additional lens really. Need bag, tripod and sd card too. but lens could just come later, why not ! Going with 18-55 would leave me some spending room but some people say that lens sucks big time.
d5300 is 3300 for 18-105 pack. So 1k more. Body is 2600pln, 18-55 pack is 3kpln.
D5200 is the middle ground. 2600pln for 18-105 pack, 2000 for the body, 2400 with 18-55 pack and 2900pln with 18-200 pack. So there are some good prices on D5200 but its outgoing model and it's getting harder to find it at retail store.
Canon have 100d. even cheaper than d3300. Dont know much about canon... there is also 700d etc. Their naming is fucked
So that's all from canon and nikon I know about. D5200 seems like most reasonable choice but, seeing how it's find to get it, will d3300 be good too ? Does it have good hdr mode or bracketing ? And can i focus manually.
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Just buy the D5200 housing, and get a 50mm f/1.8. Then the tripod and the SD-card. If you have money over, save them until you have it figured out. Don't live by the zoom, you will develop more when you realize how your mobility/angle/position as a photographer is one of the more important aspects of great images.
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edit: Oh and lenses
Nikon Nikkor 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX -> 720pln
Nikkor AF-S 50mm f/1.4G 0> 1400pln
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You don't need the 1.4. The 1.8 will be good.
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So both those have set zoom, but let more light come in, right ? how is 35, or 50 a macro lens, if a kit minimum value is 15 ?
And there are some special deals on outgoing d3200. 2000pln with 18-105 lens |
1mm to 500mm ... the shorter the focal length is (1mm for example) the wider the angle (FOV) is. The longer the focal length is (500mm for example) the more narrow the angle (FOV) is but the closer the lens gets to the subject (basically "zoomed in" but we call them telephoto lenses).
A 35 or 50mm is within the "normal" range, which means that they are within the perspective that we see with our eyes.
A macro lens is a macro lens if it says MACRO on it, any focal length can have macro ability. Basically there's glass inside the lens that makes so you can focus at things closer to the lens and thus fill the image with small things (like in a microscope). Macro lenses are fun.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:19 Post subject: |
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Prime lenses, since they have little moving parts, are much more accurate. So while you are "limiting" yourself, you will not get the kind of performance you get from a prime with any but the most expensive lenses, if at all. Prime lenses have the only objective of being high performance lenses.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:30 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: |
So, why do I need to lock myself to 50 or 35mm, while I can get a 18-105 lens and lock myself at 50mm with lens like this if I want. is is about light ? or maybe better dof ?
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You do not "need" to do anything, but as a teacher of photography I see that photographers that stick to a 50mm to begin with become more creative and mobile as photographers, instead of turning the zoom (which also affects the DoF) they take a few steps forward and learn to get closer to the subject, which is one of the ground rules of all photography and one of Robert Capa's (famous photographer) most repeated quotes.
Also, prime lenses tend to be tack-sharp and less expensive, and have a wider aperture (like f/1. . This gives you more room to shoot indoors for example without having to raise ISO. A zoom lens of course makes it so you don't have to move around as much, but it makes you lazy and it often leads to you making lazy decisions and think less.
Yes, you can turn a lens around and use it as a macro, however those shots are not straight out of camera. You need to take several shots (100-200) with small focus increments and then stack them (focus stacking is the term).
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:40 Post subject: |
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Prime lenses do not need to cost so much, a 50mm f/1,8 isn't that expensive)
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:42 Post subject: |
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50mm is too narrow in my opinion for an APS-C sensor. It isn't always possible to get the best photo because you need to move back too much and not always can. 35mm is a more balanced lense (on an APS-C sensor).
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:44 Post subject: |
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Question about expousure times and aparature size (close/open) and d3300/d5200/5300.
Can i set expousure time for short to freeze time or long to create motion blur and photograph night sky on those models ?
and what is aparature size for exactly ? i know it controls how much light gets to the sensor, but how does that help me?
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:50 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | 50mm is too narrow in my opinion for an APS-C sensor. It isn't always possible to get the best photo because you need to move back too much and not always can. 35mm is a more balanced lense (on an APS-C sensor). |
I see your point, you get a cropped part of the full-frame-perspective so in reality it is more like an 85mm lens.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:51 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | Question about expousure times and aparature size (close/open) and d3300/d5200/5300.
Can i set expousure time for short to freeze time or long to create motion blur and photograph night sky on those models ?
and what is aparature size for exactly ? i know it controls how much light gets to the sensor, but how does that help me? |
Your limit in camera is 30 seconds, you want any more than that you'll need a remote timer-trigger, something you probably want to get anyway because of their many other uses.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:55 Post subject: |
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its 30seconds on all cameras for one pic or only on those models ?
remote timre-trigger ?
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 16:57 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | 50mm is too narrow in my opinion for an APS-C sensor. It isn't always possible to get the best photo because you need to move back too much and not always can. 35mm is a more balanced lense (on an APS-C sensor). |
I see your point, you get a cropped part of the full-frame-perspective so in reality it is more like an 85mm lens. |
More like 75mm. Nikon APS-C is a little larger than Canon APS-C, so the crop factor is a little smaller, but the issue remains. |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 17:07 Post subject: |
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so I want this
http://www.ceneo.pl/2229012 ?
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 17:27 Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's a good lens. I prefer the 50mm f/1,8 because it's also usable on my D800.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 22:02 Post subject: |
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What is the main difference betwen dslr and mirrorless cameras ?
I can still do manual focus, expousure and everything ?
because sony a6000 seems pretty fantastic
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 22:10 Post subject: |
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D800 is a FX format, whereas the lower-tier cameras are DX.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 22:36 Post subject: |
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ok, now I am going for sony a6000. reviews are incredible. It costs a bit moer than d3300/d5200 but it seems great
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 17:31 Post subject: |
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Been to the media Markt today. A 600goes. No manual focus is not for me, iI need dslr.
canon 700d got my attention. It have everything that d5300 does + touch screen !
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 17:35 Post subject: |
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You definitely do not want to control the camera from a touch screen.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2014 18:21 Post subject: |
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I know but why not having it. It seems VERY usefull when in quick need for focus or expousure set on certain point. Also was quick to browse menus.
The lcd on t5i (700d) was impressive overall. Reviews are good for this camera. Still reading..
edit: ok, did some reading and it seems that 700d (t5i) is pretty nice and offers very good interface and quick live view. It's kit lens is of much better quality than d5300 and canon prime 50mm 1.8 is twice cheaper than nikon prime.
That said, D3300 is now out of the consideration for good. It's defienietly dslr. Maybe d5200/5300, maybe t5i (dont think canon have anything else to offer) and maybe pentax but this one is impossible to find and buy. Really like handling and user interface on 700d for now. Will test em all again when i have money and a chance.
Until then, I welcome any suggestions ! btw. Mirrorless are now out of the question too
edit: And I've been told to avoid nikon's kit 18-55 by too many people now. If I were to go with nikon, I must get it with 18-105 and 35/50. If I were to go with canon, its kit is ok and I can cheaply get prime for it.
AAAAAnnnd if I were to go with Pentax I can still somewhere find this bundle for good price Pentax K-50 + DAL 18-55 mm WR + DAL 50-200 mm WR
edit: Wow... just noticed that D5300 don't have previews for settings in live view mode. Changing exposure, aperature etc, and the live view stays the same, while on canon 700d, Live view is dynamic and previews all the changes You make. Also, that touch screen is a winner. there are pros and cons to both cameras. i think images look mostly the same on both. Video too. So if they have almost identical iq, then I think I would prefer 700d.
Don't know what battery life on it is, or how durable it is compared to nikon's d5300.
And hdr looks like shit on 700d. And dont know if it's doing auto bracketing and can I do long expousure photos.
Watching and reading all the videos helps me learn and understand some things. Really enjoying that part, prolly more than I would enjoy camera itself 
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Sep 2014 15:24 Post subject: |
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ok, So I am stillw aiting for someone to buy my oculus rift, to get a camera but I've been to 2 media stores to see how the cameras perform in reality.
In Saturn , a dude said that 700d is the best thing ever. he inserted a battery in it, lowered the price, said i will get a free sd card, bag and tripod if I buy it. It couldnt be more obvious that they have deal with canon But the camera itself feels great, sturdy and controls flawlessly. Touch screen is invredibly usefull addition. It indeed focuses faster in live view and have expousure and aparature controls and preview in live view, except to d5300. And have better kit lens than d5300.
Then i went to neonet and a dude wanted to sell me on nikon d5300 or pentax... but they only had d5300 in store and it's very alike 700d. ofc couldnt compare picture quality but live view is a tad worse and without touch screen it takes longer to get anywhere. no live view previews of expousure or aparature settings in live view at all. but the camera itself feels fantastic and premium. Lens feels terrible tho. Canon kit lens is much better.
the point is, that nikon with it's 24mp should offer better picture quality. At the end, i will go with what I like 
So i would get 700d right now if I had the money. Still have to try out pentax k-50 somewhere but as it don't have neither tilting screen or touch controls I dont think i would like it all that much
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Sep 2014 19:17 Post subject: |
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Seriously KC, more Pixels do not equal higher picture quality.
Please research that.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Sep 2014 00:53 Post subject: |
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Any last tips? Going to pick up 700d tomorrow
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Sep 2014 00:53 Post subject: |
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Don't forget to get the 50mm f/1.8 when you can afford it.
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