People with Aspergers can be mentally retarded or of normal / above average IQ, just like others. They just process information differently and usually have horrible problems with understanding how social rules work. It's just a form of autism, albeit one that usually allows to lead a productive adult life.
All in all Tte best and simplest explanation is the one used by a friend with this disorder:
Neurotypical people are like dogs: smart, work and feel best in a pack.
Autists are like cats: also smart, but individualistic.
They seem out of place because they have the misfortune of needing to learn to behave like dogs.
It's not sad though, most don't care about having Aspergers, just go on with their lives as best as they can
Companies hire people for their abilities all the time, so i can't see how it is.
I thought people were hired for their skills... which they get through study.. Aspi is something you are born with, and in some eyes might be seen as an advantage which was attained on a bio level.
This puts others that were not of the same build perse at a unfair disadvantage equating to the discrimination reply I made. I think it has weight tbh, and a interesting topic.
Companies hire people for their abilities all the time, so i can't see how it is.
I thought people were hired for their skills... which they get through study.. Aspi is something you are born with, and in some eyes might be seen as an advantage which was attained on a bio level.
This puts others that were not of the same build perse at a unfair disadvantage equating to the discrimination reply I made. I think it has weight tbh, and a interesting topic.
It would rather be discrimination NOT to hire them because of their condition. If they're a really good fit for a position, good for them.
They just process information differently and usually have horrible problems with understanding how social rules work.
This.
I'm an aspie, and its a double edged blade really.
On the one hand theres the analytical power and above average intellegence while that doesnt inherently come with the aspergers, I do feel it augments it a great deal. Along with an obsession with learning(or information assimilation rather) it results in being quite an informed indivual for lack of a better description.
The other side is the apparent lack of empathy and moreso my total inability to understand the mechanics of the social construct. Things like making eyecontact and body language are things that I to be taught, and I still have alot of trouble with grasping. A conversation to me is an exchange of information, if it goes beyond that point I usually find myself either bugging out or overcompensating and coming off awkward(well I pretty much always come across as awkward, so more awkward I guess lol)
Growing up with it certainly wasnt easy, specially before I was diagnosed and was blaming the rest of the world for the incompatibility rather than myself. It pretty much felt like I was born on the wrong planet at that age.
You learn to live with it though, the older I get the better I have learned to use it to supplement, rather than detract from me, as a person.
Well, I don't have Aspergers - and I have more empathy than I know what to do with. That said, I consciously work against the social construct when I don't agree with it, and I happen to actually believe being honest is smarter than being "diplomatic".
Sadly my uncle isn't one of those really smart people. I guess his IQ is about average, but he spends tons of hours googeling for space ships, ISS etc. pretty much everything space related, but he doesn't fit into society and is on welfare. He has some other diagnosis too...
Damn, without being autistic or having this syndrome, I'm really irritated of random chatter.
When I talk with people on the phone, I either ask questions to the point or answer with yes/no and am kind of irritated that the person on the other side of the call continues to talk unrelated things, after I've exchanged the information I'm interested in.
Same with person to person interaction. I can read body language and can engage in social activities, but I find them rather boring. If the communication doesn't suit a goal of mine, I loose interest quite fast.
Also mid sentence I already know what they mean and in my mind I'm already asking them to move on faster..
And there are people that process information really slow, an I have to be really patient and can literally visualize their train of thought..
Damn, without being autistic or having this syndrome, I'm really irritated of random chatter.
When I talk with people on the phone, I either ask questions to the point or answer with yes/no and am kind of irritated that the person on the other side of the call continues to talk unrelated things, after I've exchanged the information I'm interested in.
Same with person to person interaction. I can read body language and can engage in social activities, but I find them rather boring. If the communication doesn't suit a goal of mine, I loose interest quite fast.
Also mid sentence I already know what they mean and in my mind I'm already asking them to move on faster..
And there are people that process information really slow, an I have to be really patient and can literally visualize their train of thought..
haha i feel the same way, fuck this i m never gonna go to the doctor to talk about this, dont wanna be put into a drawer.
no guys, I'm not kidding. I know about those "internet diagnostic" jokes "ughh, I guess have cancer" and stuff, but I'm being serious here.
After reading about the symptoms and how aspis behave it totally hit me. But yeah, you can't be sure by only reading stuff on the internet. That's why I'm going to my doc tomorrow.
Do mind that most if not all have some degree of 'autism'.
If you really are concerned go have yourself tested (Trust me, you'll know when you need to be tested for real).
BUT! Keep in mind it's not that uncommon to find half of the symptoms in your personality without having the condition.
Well, I don't have Aspergers - and I have more empathy than I know what to do with. That said, I consciously work against the social construct when I don't agree with it, and I happen to actually believe being honest is smarter than being "diplomatic".
Being like this is a true curse Meeting opposition at all turns. My life is a mess because i don't accept idiocy and dictation from unreasonable people and disagree with certain norms.
Well, I don't have Aspergers - and I have more empathy than I know what to do with. That said, I consciously work against the social construct when I don't agree with it, and I happen to actually believe being honest is smarter than being "diplomatic".
Being like this is a true curse Meeting opposition at all turns. My life is a mess because i don't accept idiocy and dictation from unreasonable people and disagree with certain norms.
that sounds like the sort of speak that comes from someone that thinks what they say and feel is always right and the others are always wrong
unreasonable people to you are probably perfectly reasonable its just you see yourself as better so that blocks out any chance of anyone having a debate or offering info with you in the sense of,, that you wont even probably listen to advice given etc. Thats an oddball of wiring for sure yes
Still one can work on it, although ive only ever spoken to such people that keep saying "im working on it" - dont think there is ever a protective cure they can put up that allows full on proper two worlds that they live in
Do mind that most if not all have some degree of 'autism'.
If you really are concerned go have yourself tested (Trust me, you'll know when you need to be tested for real).
BUT! Keep in mind it's not that uncommon to find half of the symptoms in your personality without having the condition.
already have, will get the results beginning of june.
i dont think i have it, im just not so social but who knows.
@Badrien At what age were you diagnosed? And how did you manage to make it through the high school / college. (Because from what I observe this period is the most difficult for Aspie's.)
Nevertheless, the Asperger's Syndrome, just like a few people mentioned here already, is not necessary a bad thing.
Just watch the video by this pretty girl and be proud of yourself.
"Anatidaephobia is the fear that somewhere in the world there is a duck watching you."
Fuck Polish government for oppressing women!
"People are such awful conversationalists that they’ll interrupt you when you’re answering a question they asked."
Well, I don't have Aspergers - and I have more empathy than I know what to do with. That said, I consciously work against the social construct when I don't agree with it, and I happen to actually believe being honest is smarter than being "diplomatic".
Being like this is a true curse Meeting opposition at all turns. My life is a mess because i don't accept idiocy and dictation from unreasonable people and disagree with certain norms.
that sounds like the sort of speak that comes from someone that thinks what they say and feel is always right and the others are always wrong
unreasonable people to you are probably perfectly reasonable its just you see yourself as better so that blocks out any chance of anyone having a debate or offering info with you in the sense of,, that you wont even probably listen to advice given etc. Thats an oddball of wiring for sure yes
Still one can work on it, although ive only ever spoken to such people that keep saying "im working on it" - dont think there is ever a protective cure they can put up that allows full on proper two worlds that they live in
Please stop spouting shit. You know nothing about me or the circumstances i speak of.
@Badrien At what age were you diagnosed? And how did you manage to make it through the high school / college. (Because from what I observe this period is the most difficult for Aspie's.)
Nevertheless, the Asperger's Syndrome, just like a few people mentioned here already, is not necessary a bad thing.
Just watch the video by this pretty girl and be proud of yourself.
There had been 'doubts' about my mental stability since I had been a small kid(Watching the washing machine obsessivly for hours on end wasnt exactly normal behaviour apparently, to name a thing)
I had a big falling out with my parents at age 17, at which I had the choiche to get diagnosed/seek help or gtfo out of the house. Took a few months to get everything sorted and have my Diagnoses at 18 (Aspergers Syndrome + A mild case of OCD). Been in therapy for it for a while but the mental health care here really lacks in its understanding as well as treatment of aspergers.. There is no cure for it, no end all solution. we need to be taught how to deal with our apparent changes from the rest of the world, as opposed to being given anti psychotics.
The anti psychotics were living hell, taking out all the good parts of the aspie and amplifying the bad parts. The only self medication solution I have found thusfar that makes me able to live my life properly is weed, which will probably sound strange lol. The best description I have is that of a highway. If im sober its an almost A.D.D. like highway of information in my head, 20 or so lanes, everything has to be analyzed, classified and stored. In other words it would take very little for me to overload, which I would respond to by getting pissed off. With weed theres only 2 or 3 lanes, im able to process all the information around me and make use of said information in a way I could never have without smoking pot regularly. This is a common thing I see around here though, Suffice to say I dont know any aspie around here that doesnt smoke up.
High school/college wasnt that hard for me, I mean it was hard, but its hard on anyone. Since I was diagnosed at 18 just after high school, I didnt know I was an aspie at that time(I had suspicions though, mostly because my best mates had aspie and they were just a lil too much like me for it to be coincidental).
Not being very popular I joined the Goth/Emo clique on the one side, the magic; the gathering nerds on the other side. At this age I didnt feel as much hardship socially as I do now, mostly because I was surrounded by alot of likeminded people, and had 2 set group of friends I got along with very well. I was trying very very hard in those years to fit in though, even though I was part of a group I was still the odd one out. I should also mention that me being a stoner (I started at about 16 or so) went a long way in my social development during those years. If not for it I would have been a hermit pretty sure.
School grades wise it was never an issue for me, Never did a single page of homework read the course books once at the start of the years, yet finished the IS/IB School with a 9.2 grade avg. Always felt the information that was taught there I had somehow already ammased.
Then came college/uni lol.. that was terrible.... I tried a myriad of studies ranging from IT to Psychology at the UMC university, but never felt that I was learning something I wanted to, or learning something I didnt already know for that matter. So I stopped going to classes, missed some stuff and usually got booted on attendence or just quit altogether. What also didnt help is that I just cant see myself in a 9/5 situation along with the fact that education just seems so overrated here. Know a town of retards that finished uni, and none of them have a job.The whole idea our generation was raised with that if you apply yourself, study hard, and get a degree; there will be a nice job waiting for you. I realized at a young age thats fucking bullshit. so there was never mucn motivation to keep going past that my parents wanted me to.
So that went on for a few years till I was like well fuck you all, Im quitting and gonna work my my personal development the way I want to, not the way its prescribed to me.
that was 2 years ago. Spent the first half of the time since that for some soulsearching(and sadly frequent trips to the hospital for some physical issues). and have been in business for myself for about a year now, things couldnt be going better really. Im doing what I like, and making enough to live like a king doing so.
I think over the years one of the biggest hurdles, especially at the high school age were relationships. Its fucking hell to be my SO(and ill experience it as hell too). Ive had 1 short semi succesfull relationship, with a fellow aspie. we decided to cut that off after a while as we valued our friendship more then a relationship which would have destroyed that friendship eventually.
I still want to get that psychology degree at some point, but yeah not like I think ill ever get to use it. with a 5 year gap in my CV its not like someone is ever going to hire me anyways lol
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Being like this is a true curse Meeting opposition at all turns. My life is a mess because i don't accept idiocy and dictation from unreasonable people and disagree with certain norms.
that sounds like the sort of speak that comes from someone that thinks what they say and feel is always right and the others are always wrong
unreasonable people to you are probably perfectly reasonable its just you see yourself as better so that blocks out any chance of anyone having a debate or offering info with you in the sense of,, that you wont even probably listen to advice given etc. Thats an oddball of wiring for sure yes
Still one can work on it, although ive only ever spoken to such people that keep saying "im working on it" - dont think there is ever a protective cure they can put up that allows full on proper two worlds that they live in
Please stop spouting shit. You know nothing about me or the circumstances i speak of.
I rest my case then...
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none of that was hostile ffs, says something for sure.
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