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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 17:39 Post subject: |
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the question is here , Why do you buy a console ?
the answer is simple , to be able to play a game that will not be compatible with the next iteration of a OS in 6 years or more !
heck games from 2003 are now not compatible with win7 or win8 no more , DX 11 made sure of that ! i have to emulate window 98 or XP, to be able to play games from 2004 !!! thats ridiculous and still you cant play some games, even if they would be compatible with the new memory format... thanks to not compatible DRM on the PC or thanks to not working Graphics acceleration on emulation software
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 18:04 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | the question is here , Why do you buy a console ?
the answer is simple , to be able to play a game that will not be compatible with the next iteration of a OS in 6 years or more !
heck games from 2003 are now not compatible with win7 or win8 no more , DX 11 made sure of that ! i have to emulate window 98 or XP, to be able to play games from 2004 !!! thats ridiculous and still you cant play some games, even if they would be compatible with the new memory format... thanks to not compatible DRM on the PC or thanks to not working Graphics acceleration on emulation software |
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 20:23 Post subject: |
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There is some true that old console games are always hassle free and old pc games might require some tweaks but cmon
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 20:28 Post subject: |
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Yeah, because playing a PS2 game on the PS3 is so hassle free 
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 21:15 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Hfric wrote: | the question is here , Why do you buy a console ?
the answer is simple , to be able to play a game that will not be compatible with the next iteration of a OS in 6 years or more !
heck games from 2003 are now not compatible with win7 or win8 no more , DX 11 made sure of that ! i have to emulate window 98 or XP, to be able to play games from 2004 !!! thats ridiculous and still you cant play some games, even if they would be compatible with the new memory format... thanks to not compatible DRM on the PC or thanks to not working Graphics acceleration on emulation software |
My troll-sense is tingling |
and why is this so funny you ? maybe your one of those people that say " would you still play Snes or PS2 games in 2030, i would NOT and neither should you"
and whats with our example "because playing a PS2 game on the PS3 is so hassle free" ?
why would i play a ps2 game on a ps3 when its was meant for a ps2 ?
your derailing the example , its like someone would say "because playing XBOX 1 games on the XBOX360 is so hassle free" , when its obvious your the one that tires to mock me , with a troll example , anyone knows emulation is not perfect so why not play it on the right console to begin with...
ok then , then try to play games you liked on your new os :
starforce protected games are not compatible no more
renderware engine games will not start on multicore machines
Tages protected game have problems
Safedisck protected game the same
Have you tried to play Farcry 2 on windows 7 , good luck with that
those are few examples and there are many many more ...
people buy a console to have a hassle free experience that will always be the same no matter the year !
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 22:19 Post subject: |
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the one and only reason i always bought consoles is for the games that wont come out on pc, simple. i need my variety in gaming, so i m forced to buy all this hardware to play all the gems i woukd otherwise miss out on.
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 22:28 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | and why is this so funny you ? maybe your one of those people that say " would you still play Snes or PS2 games in 2030, i would NOT and neither should you"
and whats with our example "because playing a PS2 game on the PS3 is so hassle free" ?
why would i play a ps2 game on a ps3 when its was meant for a ps2 ?
your derailing the example , its like someone would say "because playing XBOX 1 games on the XBOX360 is so hassle free" , when its obvious your the one that tires to mock me , with a troll example , anyone knows emulation is not perfect so why not play it on the right console to begin with... |
| rgb#000 wrote: | | playing PS2 game on PS2 is hassle free in 2014 like it was in 2000. not sure why did you put PS3 in there, i guess you just needed to troll as always. |
Why do I pull the PS3 in there?
Because you are both being hypocritical.
Want to make it a fair comparison? Then talk about keeping an old PC around for those older games. Anything else and you're full of shit. The comparison the two of you are attempting to draw (and failing at it) is of running a decade old game on a state of the art machine and operating system, versus running it on the decade old system it came out on. Oh gee, what a surprise, that's a little problematic. Did not see that one coming 
And if you really want me to get picky, a VM takes anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes to set up depending on the OS. Unlike hfric's claim, 2D+3D acceleration DOES work (both in VMWare and VirtualBox) and for those older games it often is enough. DOS games require 0 effort other than downloading DOSBOX. The majority of Windows XP games do work just fine as long as you set compatibility mode to Windows XP - it's when games support Win95/98 that it gets annoying.
So no, I'm not the one trolling. I'm just drawing a fair fucking comparison, unlike the two of you.
But as a bonus, let me throw in what I would've said if I had been trolling: I didn't keep my NES, SNES, N64, PS1, Mega Drive, PS2 or any of my Game Boys (or any of the machines I forgot about now) around to play those games though. As I can emulate them on my PC. |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2014 09:11 Post subject: |
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no, you are the one who is hypocritical. it's very normal to keep old consoles for gaming enthusiasts, keeping pc from 2000 just to play games from that era... no one really does it.
bottom line, pc vs console arguing is unwinnable and single system devotees are most annoying gamers.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2014 10:19 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | no, you are the one who is hypocritical. it's very normal to keep old consoles for gaming enthusiasts, keeping pc from 2000 just to play games from that era... no one really does it. |
Yeah, so then why even bother to draw the comparison Hfric is trying to draw? It just doesn't work. Might as well go "lulz xbox 360 so bad, PS4 looks much better", that makes just as much sense. And no, that's not a typo, that's the point 
I'm not trying to make a point for/against console/pc (pick any combination that fits your current mood, it all applies), I'm just pointing out the ludicrous bullshit in his post. I'm not the one trolling or being hypocritical. |
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Apr 2014 10:52 Post subject: |
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That premium still exists, although it's much less than it used to be 
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Apr 2014 12:53 Post subject: |
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Premium for a YLOD PS3 edition ?
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Apr 2014 14:40 Post subject: |
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Yep, the backwards compatibility made them a lot more expensive for a long time
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2014 00:19 Post subject: |
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Yay friend will lend me his ps3. Finally will pay gow and uncharted games to get ready for next green. Only had 360 last green so i missed some titles
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2014 00:43 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | Yay friend will lend me his ps3. Finally will pay gow and uncharted games to get ready for next green. Only had 360 last green so i missed some titles |
Is next/last green basically next/last gen with motion blur ?
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2014 02:18 Post subject: |
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Its called fast message with auto correct from work
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Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2014 04:27 Post subject: |
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| warriormax wrote: | | Hfric wrote: |
Have you tried to play Farcry 2 on windows 7 , good luck with that
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The GoG version works perfectly fine. I played it recently  |
if you set the virtual memory size to 10gb and not play in dx10 but in dx9c ... and set the compatibility mode to windows xp sp3 but then be ready for slow downs do to emulation of directx
all this is done only to go around the not compatibility of this game with the new windows memory management ... if you play it normally without any of those memory tweaks it will crash after 10 to 20 min when it will hit a wall do to a memory leak that will not be fixed ...
you can only slow it down so those crashes will happen every 2h then 10 min ... on win7 or win 8
does it work : yes
is it playable : uhem for 2h it is but you cant go ultra on windows xp compatibility settings and have reasonable speeds and no crashes at the same time
if this game would be classified on a emulation table, i would have given it a status of : In-game , playable to a certain point
this thing with werelds is , he mocks me like a idiot ,because i enjoy gaming as a experience and he enjoys new technology ... and he likes putting words in peoples mouths , you make a statement and then he is fishing ...
his conclusion , have dedicated PCs from every system you had, so you could enjoy your games , and every one should have a sticker on it ,so you will know, that this will run this and the other that... if your not ok with that go play with emulation , buying old consoles to play old games is not worth it
i am ok with that, but he should wrote this himself , not fishing with flame baits like he always does to mock others , yeah lets be a big important dick
and tell me , what comparison i was drawing ? to you with your words...
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2014 13:00 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | | this thing with werelds is , he mocks me like a idiot ,because i enjoy gaming as a experience and he enjoys new technology ... and he likes putting words in peoples mouths , you make a statement and then he is fishing ... |
Excuse me?
I don't enjoy gaming as an experience just because I call you on your crooked comparison? I've probably owned more gaming platforms than you have, but please, tell me more about how I don't "enjoy gaming as an experience". In fact, I probably still do own more right now than you think I do. Just because I don't consider consoles to be superior for gaming just because you don't install drivers on them yourself, doesn't mean I don't own them or use them.
I'm not the one who keeps pointing to consoles (or PC's) as "the" platform for gaming - or like you, who keeps pointing to the PC as inferior because it's not 100% plug 'n play.
| Quote: | his conclusion , have dedicated PCs from every system you had, so you could enjoy your games , and every one should have a sticker on it ,so you will know, that this will run this and the other that... if your not ok with that go play with emulation , buying old consoles to play old games is not worth it
i am ok with that, but he should wrote this himself , not fishing with flame baits like he always does to mock others , yeah lets be a big important dick
and tell me , what comparison i was drawing ? to you with your words... |
Your comparison was that of running PS2 games on a PS2 versus running Windows 95/98/XP games on Windows 7. That's just a bullshit comparison.
Realistically, all you need is a Windows XP machine or VM to run the older games that won't run now. You don't need X machines for it. Your point was that consoles are easier than PC's. On one machine + one VM or on two machines you can play any PC game that came out in the last 30 years, with DOSBOX on one of them for the DOS games. Sure, you'll spend 30-60 minutes installing Windows and such, but after that you're done. How is that any more or less complicated than keeping a PS2+PS3+PS4 around for all PlayStation games, a NES+SNES+N64+Wii+Wii U for all Nintendo games, <I can't be fucked to type out the rest now but you get the point>? Because some of those consoles will require good old SCART inputs, which not all new TVs have.
I never tried to make the point that keeping older consoles isn't worth it. You're the one who tried to make the point that keeping ONE older PC or a VM around isn't worth it.
I'm putting words in your mouth and flame baiting? It's the other way around mate. |
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2014 13:12 Post subject: |
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Far Cry 2 works perfectly on Windows 7 x64. I know because I have the Steam version and run it 1080 with Ultra High settings and 4xMSAA on my twin 570s. No issues at all.
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